how important is dolby digital plus?

im getting a new reciever and some speakers for my bedroom, gonna get a 5.1 system (well not exactly the 2 towers in the front im looking at have subs in them and i was considering putting a sub in the back by the rears too) since this will be pretty much just for games and thats what most of them are encoded for, and i think a 7.1 would be overkillin the room (18X13)

anyway I dont know squat about audio stuff. I have a pretty good knowlege of tvs and video stuff, but audio im a total noob. Ive been doing a bit of research and went into a magnolia today, and i think im gonna wanna snag a denon (glanced at some pioneers too) they have a good deal on the AVR 2809, for like 850 bucks and i thought that looked pretty good but when i got home and did some research i realized it doesn't have dolby digital plus unfortunatly =( Now i dont know much about this stuff but from what i can gather it seems like DD+ is going to be kinda the new standard? What exactly does it do and is it important to get? Especially for games

this will be only used for video games and some blueray watching with my ps3

if DD+ IS that important i was thinking of maybe getting the avr 3808, since that one DOES show that it has it.. even though for some reason its a 2007 model and the 2809 is 2008 model. Odd

actually the 3808 looks pretty good because i noticed amazon has it for 999 bucks, which sounds like a really good deal to me though i dont know how long that will last. The extra wattage and DTS makes it appealing for that price but i would rather pick all this stuff up in a box store in case theres any problems

So anyway how important is DD+ and what exactly does it do? thats gonna be a major deciding factor

the pioneer SC-05 was another backup i was considering since it has DD+ i believe

ungh got a headache from comparing junk online for so long i'll do more research this weekend, theres some other questions i have but i'll save those for later, especially a disturbing thing i found on some forums about sony tvs and denons over HDMI

actually according to denons site it does not do DD+. I looked at that stuff when i was checking the features and on the detailed specs page the dolby digital plus thing does not have a green check next to it, so that should mean it does NOT support it, right? I found it odd that it didn't suport it or pro logic II, even their

very oddly even their 5308, the highest one doesn't list DD+ or pro logic II o_O what the.

some of you say DD+ is kinda dead anyway, whats it suposed to actually do though?

should my xbox decode all that stuff itself btw as well?

while im on the subject, what about pro logic II? is that important at all? Im not really clear on what that does, i think it takes non 5.1 signals and makes them 5.1 or something like that? is that right? I seem to remember ps2 games using that, not sure if anything does these days

im actually quite confused on denons listing of features actually now that im looking..

on denons site
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3510.asp

there is no green check next to pro logic II or pro logic IIx, ect.

but if you look at amazons tech specs
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-3808.../ref=de_a_smtd

it does list pro log IIx.. what the heck?

tnx for the info on that guys, you bring up a good point though with the pro logic II and pro logic IIx stuff, that was actually going to be my next question =P

im not really clear on what pro logic is, i remember a lot of older ps2 games and the like used to use it. i think it takes non 5.1 signals or something and turns them into 5.1, is that right? if so whats the pro logic IIx and stuff do? i see it mentioned on some recievers.

Its funny you mention yamaha i was looking at one as a 3rd option, the RX-v1900

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882115139

and its good to know that that has the pro logic IIx.. just what exactly is that? This game mode thing sounds interesting especially since this will be pretty much exclusivly for gaming

basically im looking at that one and either one of the denons

AVR-3808
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3510.asp
or avr 2809
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4484.asp

(im still kinda iffy on the 3808 because its a 2007 model and im still trying to find out if the rumors with denon having problems with sony tvs are true)

or the pioneer.. im kinda leaning to the pioneer sc-05
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU.../ci.SC-05.Kuro

kinda leanin to the pioneer because my old one was a pioneer and i liked it

Do all those have the pro logic and pro logic IIx? the spec sheets on some are confusing, particularly the denons, the checks are missing on their homepage spec sheet but on price sites it says they have it o_O

im pretty sure the pioneer at least has it

at least i have the DD+ question answered, im doing some reading up on these 3 different brands right now, denon seems to get the most kudos, dunno how pioneer and yamaha rank with them. Gonna have to try to find some good online retailers to check prices too because magnolia was quite high

ya, im kinda confused... denons may be outa the running untill i can get some confirmation on the hdmi problem with sony tvs, or if the place i get it has a liberal return policy, leanin more to the sc-05 right now.. still curious about my other questions, been pouring through threads and doing quite a bit of research past few days, this stuffs making my head spin