Official Panasonic TC-L32S1 Thread - Page 7

But I was looking at an IPS Alpha L32X1 at Best Buy yesterday, and It looked no different than the Samsung next to it, infact worse black levels on the IPS Alpha and the view angels were the same.

If anything a little better on the IPS Alpha at extreme angles But I will never be that extremely off to the side to appreciate that.

I would much rather have the deep true black levels of the Samsung.

I will know for sure, tommorrow when my TC-L32S1 arrives.

Let us know what you think when you've had some time with it. I get mine next week. I'm mostly into this TV for the lessened motion blur over the MVA panels. I couldn't care less about a slightly lighter black level as long as I've got minimal blur and image lag for my gaming (not to mention lower input lag).

This is the primary reason why many of us love these S1's

i've owned a couple VA based TV's and kept this over them because of the reasons you list

one of the VA's was a Sony 32XBR6 with an S-PVA panel, the same panels used in high end sony and Samsung TV's of larger sizes that is well known for having the best black levels and contrast out of all current non local dimming LCD's

the blacks on the S1 when A.I. picture is turned OFF is comparable to a normal PC monitor. its not great at all but i'm used to it and it looks fine in anything except for a dim/dark room.

A.I. picture set to on increases the black levels dramatically by dimming the backlight but this causes obvious changes in the picture and crushed blacks when it dims just like any other set that employed this technique before

same here exactly, but Black levels are important.

Not logical why a $400 Samsung 3 series, would have 3:2 pulldown and 24p

But a $800 MSRP IPS Alpha panel by Panasonic would not..atleast I can't find any confirmation that it does.


I am also wanting the IPS Alpha panel because everyone says its 10-bit.

And the Samsung 8-bit panels shows some dithering or Color banding in Batman AA on the 360 so I want to see if the IPS Alpha panel fixes that.

And I want to see how SD Cable looks because I only have like 60 channels of SD cable and 20 in HD.

I hope the Panasonic does a little better with SD sources.

But Its unlikely because the 720p samsung has an easier job or converting 480i to its 1366x768 reso.

Than the L32S1, will converting 480i to its 1920x1080 reso.

And according to reviews that I have provided the Samsung B360 does a terrible job handling 1080i (NBC HD looks bad)

I am hoping the Panasonic does a better job with the math at 1080i.

and for $30 bucks than a Samsung B360 I could not pass up, a TC-32S1 on Amazon with no Tax, and 2 day Air shipping Free with Amazon Prime.

and thanks to Best Buy awesome return policy, I will have 2 weeks to Compare the 2. Side by side.

Okay so I finally picked up the S1 yay! Thing is, it doesn't come with a remote, I know the remote is linked to the Viera Tools but is it all that necessary/important? Price was too good to pass on($345).

24p input is worthless on a 60hz LCD pretty much all current TV's accept it though including the S1's but there is no improvement in doing so that i've seen as is the case on most LCD's that are not 120hz

SD is ok on my 37S1 not bad but not quite as good as my 32XBR6 was and this is due to 2 reasons #1 the sony was smaller but still 1080p #2 the sony in video mode employed box blurring that blended images on the screen at the pixel level that did a good job of making low res and highly compressed SDTV from cable look decent

1080i channels look great on my 37S1 as do 720p channels, they could look better but i blame comcast not my TV for their crappy HD service

the 32S1 is in a completely other league than a 300 series samsung, A B550 would be the model to compare it to but the S1 will spank it in gaming performance and motion resolution. but the B550 would have a better overall picture due to better contrast and black levels


Viera tools is only useful if you need to get into the photo viewer

you will not be able to change picture modes (zoom etc)

you will not be able to get into the service menu without a remote if that matters to you (for White balance to be adjusted for calibration) and it will be a pain in general to operate the settings menu without a remote but not impossible

you could always find a remote for any panasonic TV, they will all work we also have a 50X1 Plasma and its remote is identical to my 37S1's

Just call Panasonic, and order one for the spare parts dept. It must be $20 bucks max.

I don't use my remote, although I did need it to program my Sony learning remote. The preprogrammed codes wouldn't be enough to do everything I need. Probably any recent Panasonic TV remote would be good enough to program the basics into a learning remote, FWIW.

You say the L32S1 has 24p but on 60hz it does not matter. Ok fine But how can you verify that it does??

I would like to know.

it will accept a 1080p/24 input signal as will my 37S1

however nothing is gained by doing so

I guess thats fair enough, if it accepts, that type of signal it must mean it has full support.

is 24p the same as 3:2 or 2:2 pull down??

what a TV does with a 24p input can and will vary

these TV's I'm pretty sure just do a 3:2 pulldown so its pointless, it might do it better than your player though so offering some improvement in judder

my old Sony 32XBR6 did better with movies than the 37S1 but not in the way you would expect

24p input would switch it into a 2:2 pulldown 48hz refresh mode and it had worse edge flicker from film

a normal 60hz input of content that was already converted via 3:2 pulldown worked the best on it because the TV would apply a reverse 3:2 pulldown removing judder then it applied a mild version of motion flow called 60hz motionflow and it did a pretty good job with movies rarely making SOE or video effect but still retained most of the film look

bottom line with LCD though is film flicker and LCD never mix and motion enhancers are the only current fix due to its sample and hold type display, scanning backlight's like the S1's motion focus do enhance motion a little bit but not enough to make a really noticeable improvement and it does cause visual flicker esp. with bright or white images, i do leave motion focus on though on my cable input on my S1

Plasma is much better at reproducing natural motion on all content universally, even sense we got our 50X1 plasma i actually hate watching movies on my LCD so i moved my BD and HD-DVD players out to the plasma for good, it's really that much better even though there is judder still its rarely noticeable on most movies

I am going to reserve judgment for my own living room.

But on Flickr when you search IPS LCD someone posted pics of their Panasonic IPS LCD and if they are anything like this in person...then Daayyyyum.


Red Text Bad I can live with it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2922991...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2922991...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29229915@N08/2723611165/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/29229915@N08/2724432996/

I just pooped a little. Those are some impressive screens. They look like paintings even from the extreme side.

The guy says its a TC-32LZ800 which I understand are much sought after.

http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Mr...blog&id=489596

This guys did a great job comparing the

LG Flatron W2253V vs the TC-32LZ800

and I am guessing the TC-L32S1 is very similar to the TC-32LZ800

Today I received my TC-L32S1 to use as my main computer monitor. Out of box I was initially horrified to see the result compared to my 28" Hanspree TN monitor 1920 x 1200.

However, after reading some great input from this thread (thanks!), I was able to get it very close to where it needs to be acceptable. Was very happy to see that lag is not an issue for me.

I do have a question. There is talk of disabling all processing on the TV to make the text sharper. How is that accomplished? I've reduced the sharpness to between 0-10 and that helped tremendously, but I am confused with identifying and disabling the other settings. Help please....thanks!

there is no processing to disable besides Noise reduction options and A.I. picture in the menu

these TV's pretty much have almost no processing to begin with

red and blue text on dark/black backgrounds are almost always horrible. otherwise its no problem


the biggest difference between the S1 and the LZ800 is the S1 is matte and the LZ800 is glossy

the glossy screen gives the picture much more pop, this is always the case with any display type

So to be clear as other posters have mentioned and noted.

Via VGA the panel is limited to 1280x1024, for some unknown reason.

and if you connect you PC via HDMI you can get the full 1920x1080 Native rez.

Ok 2-19-10 TC-L32S1 arrived via FedEx at 11am ordered on 2-16 from Amazon.com sold by Amazon.com LLC $439 total no tax free ship, glad its from Amazon not some Marketplace 3rd Party so I am covered with a great return policy.

Anyways. This will all be compared to my Samsung LN32B360 I got at Best Buy for $406 after taxes, The link below is a ultra detailed review of it. And its a good unit, If you can get an S-Panel.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...Review-995.htm


So I unbox my L32S1, set her up. very easy setup. Detected All my Digital and Non Digital Cable channels. The Sammy does this better because,its faster and it can rescan and auto delete the Scrambled or Blocked channels. Both are good at Channel Swap Time.

My main concern was with how the L32S1 handled the math or scaling and converting of, broadcast 720p 1080i signals, And it did a much better job less noise, And especially better motion both in SD and HD channels.

Deep rich black levels the edge goes to the 32B360 Samsung, it has deep true black. The L32S1, The blacks and good, especially after some tweaking, so I can compromise and accept them, Blurry Motion on the Sammy is just not acceptable. Even if it has deep ink blacks.

Colors are nice rich and vibrant- no complaints there Watching PBS they had some kids show where its all Animated Colorful Dinosaurs, in 1080i and that looked great. But better on the Panasonic set

Especially these colors really popped viewing at Angles. I know its an IPS Panel but the view angles are not that special. Blacks turn grey if you go past 45 degrees. Better than the Samsung, But I have seen better view angles on non IPS panels from Sony.

But what really sold me was Gaming, On the Samsung model playing Modern Warfare 2 I would get dizzy and queezy.

On the L32S1 I can play as perfect as my Samsung TN PC Display the XL2370 which has been rated to have no input Lag. I was Sniping left and right off the bat. And the Ultimate test, I tried Street Fighter HD Remix on the 360, No Problems, Marvel vs Capcom 2 No problems pulling off combos.

It would not accept or scale at all 1080p via Component I was worried, I had a bad panel, But the Manual clearly says that not supported, But the Samsung will accept 1080p via Component weird.

When playing DVD's Corpse Bridge, The Samsung via Component will tell you the resolution 720x480. The Panasonic only says 480p.

via VGA, on the Panasonic, the 360 looked great, at 1366x768 resolution and Corpse Bridge DVD was upscaled, nicely to 1366x768.

Gaming was bright and Colorful, especially Marvel vs Capcom 2, on the Samsung the game lagged the input lag made it hard to play and land split second combos. On the L32S1 there was no Input Lag I could detect.

By no means is the Samsung LN32B360 a bad set., However I know the TC-L32S1 has been criticized for bad Audio.

Guess what the Samsung has Worse Audio, and its immediately obvious. Why?

Because the Sammy has two 5 Watt Speakers, thats bad.

The Panasonic has two 10 watt Speakers. The difference is clear.

Alot of people reported bad audio, And my unit was made on November 2009, so what ever issues there may have been Panasonic fixed them, in the last productions runs.

Also the L32S1 is higher quality, its better made, Why? because the Sammy when inserting VGA or Component jacks the entire back panel inputs "give" or squish into the tv.

On the Pansonic there is no give the jacks stay firm in place.

And thats all I have to say.

Pros
- 720p and 1080i Broadcast HD look great to me, SD cable looked very good. Better processing.
- Motion is great in HD and SD
- Audio is better than the Samsung
- Nice and bright whites and colorful vibrant colors.
- Higher quality overall.
- SD Card slot to view pictures

Cons
- Black are good, but not deep ink blacks
- View angles are good but not what I expected for an IPS panel good but I have seen better

Awesome. Great review too, thanks for your feedback. I'm excited to get mine and actually enjoy videogames again. Right now I'm stuck with a LG 32LH30 with a MVA panel and I can't stand playing FPS games on it.

Great to hear about the 1080i scaling as my wife uses the TV a lot to watch OTA channels.

Good to hear the sound is fine. Although I kind of had a feeling people were exaggerating the problem a bit.

So does this TV does accept scaled DVD signals via HDMI right?

I ordered a couple of HDMI 1.3 cables from Mono Price today so I will know soon. I have not tried HDMI yet.

According to wikipedia, I am pretty sure, my Samsung LN32B360 also has an S-MVA panel C on my Sammy


Deep Rich blacks, but Gaming has serious Lag to the point where my brain is telling my hands to do one thing. And Something else happens or the action is just slightly behind LAG.

Also separate Motion Blur during gaming, makes me want to vomit it makes dizzy I can play 5 Minutes and thats it.


If the L32S1, could have the Black level. of the LN32B360, that would be perfection.

Also the view angles of the TC-L32S1 are nothing special.

good review and correct.

yeah it does not take 1080p over component or VGA and Sony and samsung will do this.

this is really of little important except for XB360 owners that do not have HDMI and even then having owned a TV that did take 1080p over component the picture quality is not degraded much by switching to 1080i

the viewing angles are very good horizontally on the S1's provided your in the vertical sweet spot, if you go off angle even a same amount vertically then the picture changes.

the extreme viewing angles are still much better than my old S-PVA Sony TV and overall just better but this is of little impact to me for my use

the Toshiba 40xv645u was terrible with viewing angles and dark screens, it made dark images have a strong purple color to them even though the blacks were better than the panasonic's so imho the panasonic wins overall in my book

I Also noted the L32S1 has a 3D Y/C digital comb filter, But Its only active or engaged when viewing SD cable channels

When view 720p or 1080i Digital cable, The 3D Y/C is greyed out.

I am positive Sony panels, have the 3D Y/C comb filter active on ALL channels.

heres a minor gripe, the Samsung B360 has a nice Jingle or Tone when you turn the unit on and off.

The L32S1 does not, instead it has an Electrical "Snap" when powered on, like here comes the high voltage, And then another Snap, when, its turned off. Its a low snap not loud, just telling you the units on.

I am also a big fan of energy efficiency and going green. The Samsung was rated at 100 Watts Max, And the Panasonic according to the pdf and the back panel at 123 Watts, which could be explained, because of the 10 watt speakers vs 5 Watts speaker.

I will gladly take the 10 Watt speakers trust me that Samsung has bad sound. (its currently packed up and in its box going back to BB)

When off, the Samsung uses 0.52 Watts
And the L32S1 when off uses 0.20 Watts

so every little bit helps, Especially ditching the old 32 inch Tube CRT which was probably sucking down 26 Watts when Off.

3D Y/C Comb filters are for cleaning up composite video/NTSC sources that is why its grayed out on HD inputs it does not apply to them or do anything beneficial


the snap your talking about is a relay inside the TV switching on/off

Damn, no 1080p via VGA nor component on the S1? Crap, that sucks.
My 360 doesn't have an HDMI output. How would I go about getting 1080p on it then? A VGA to HDMI box or switch?

give it 1080i, the TV does a good job de-interlacing the picture and it still looks great

my XB360 is component video only as well, not a biggie imho

i'm surprised you still have one of the old ones like me did you modify its cooling like i did to prevent a RROD?

True but 720p looks great, But HDMI would be better,

I doubt you could tell 720 Componenet vs 1080p Componenet on that set anyways.

The important thing is being able to play and not have motion problems.

Naw, I didn't modify it but I did get RRoD twice already. First time fixed it with the X-Clamp Fix, then second time heatgunned it. Hopefully it's stable for a while. What's the cooling modify fixy thingy?


Well doesn't component one of the factors that introduce lag? Well, at least it'll pass 720p/1080i via VGA right? Theres gotta be like an VGA to HDMI cable or switch. The set is 1080p, and the 360s GPU can scale it to 1080p so might as well take advantage of it right?

Thats over my head, buy its likely an extra few Milliseconds of lag happen because at some point the TV has to convert analog to digital.

But I already ordered a couple of HDMI 1.3a cables from Monoprice.com so I can keep everything digital (no extra conversion required) and take advantage of its HDMI xvYCC Deep Color.

That way I get the full range from 0-255.

I think Component YCbCr is limited to 16-235

theres a few things you can do, the problem and reason why the early 360's got RROD's is because they ran wayy too hot and warped the mainboard, if you rewire/replace the stock fans to 12volts it makes the thing loud but it will run much cooler. i also went a step further and cut a hole and put a 80mm computer case fan on the side of my 360 just infront of the CPU heatsink so it forces even more fresh air into the 360 right at the heatsinks

720p will likely add around 1 frame of input lag but these TV's are so fast its not going to be a real issue, 1080i would be optimal because then all the TV has to do is de-interlace the signal and that is usually done faster than up scaling. 480i inputs on LCD's are a double whammy because the TV has to not only upscale but interlace and that often adds 2 frames of lag.

perhaps this weekend i will finally get around to input lag testing my 37S1 in every input mode possible and when i do ill post my results in the thread in my sig