Jens, I know that in another thread you told me that you understand me well, even though English is not your native language, but I am beginning to wonder. Where did I ever say or imply that the G10 did not have impressive black levels? You will not find it. Still it has got a ways to go before it can approach 9G Kuro levels. So your "not far behind a Kuro" may be true for an 8G Kuro, but is simply not the case when comparing to a 9G Kuro. Your bias or ignorance is also on display here when you say the Samsung 860 is "third best" in the flat panel world. Total nonsense! Have you even taken delivery of your 855 yet? Why should we take your word for it? You are obviously just giddy that you have an 855 on the way, and have no sense of objectivity right now. Perhaps in a couple months when the euphoria subsides...
As for your convoluted and contorted logic, asserting that the Samsung is "third best" in blacks in the flatscreen world, (not even flat panel, but flat screen) I just have to laugh at your rationale. You are basing this faulty rationale all upon one off-hand comment in a review by Chad B., who said the 860 was "not quite as deep" as a G10.
This same Chad B. did a comparison of the Luxia LED to the Panny G10, (one would assume using the same equipment), and he said the Luxia had slightly deeper blacks than the G10, albeit it wasn't by much, but it was noticeable in a dark room.
So if everyone can agree that the 9G Kuros are darkest, and the 8G Kuros are next, and the Luxia is slightly ahead or even with the G10, and the Samsung is "not quite as deep" as the G10, then how on earth do you figure the Samsung to be in third place, or even fourth place for that matter? When the dust finally settles by the end of 2009 it probably won't even be in in the top five!
Every time I try to damper the rampant enthusiasm of these new or potentially-new Samsung PDP owners with a small dose of objectivity, they call me an LED or LCD fanboy.
One doesn't have to be an LED fanboy to point out the facts. The facts are that the Luxia LED's deliver deeper blacks than the Sammy plasmas. Just accept it. Of course the fanboys only retort to the facts is that the LED's/LCD's couldn't possibly have the shadow detail that you will get with the PDP, in MUST be crushed to even come close to competing with a plaz.
Well let me tell you, you folks better start taking some better shots then, because all the pics I've seen so far of these new Samsung plasmas, the blacks are crushed to oblivion, including the two pics on the first page or two of this thread!
Even after calibration, Chad confessed, "dark images looked a little too dark, and shadow detail was a little hard to see."
I have absolutely no problem with people liking Samsung plasmas and calling them beautiful displays and a great bang for you buck, etc. Just don't make foolish assertions by saying they are the third blackest flatscreens on the planet. You only destroy your own credibility by being so biased.
One other thing. I have read three (very brief) reviews by Chad B so far. I value his opinion and am grateful that he takes the time to share his professional impressions. But the truth is, he said great things about the G10 and the Luxia as well, so you shouldn't take positive comments in his review of the Sammy to mean that he thinks it is the best display out there. Chad actually said that for his own personal circumstances, he preferred the Luxia over the G10, and acknowledged that others with a different set of circumstances might arrive at a different conclusion."Also when he is comparing to the kuro all the time, and even beets the kuro in some section that say very much about the set... "
The Kuros are excellent displays, but no one ever claimed (at least I hope not) that they are perfect. Different displays may be able to beat the Kuro in this or that particular detail, but what of it? Many people (including myself) have recognized that the Kuro is not always the display with the least noise and sharpest picture. I already stated that some of Samsung's LED's put out out a sharper more detailed pic. From this review, it looks as if the high-end Plasmas from Samsung may as well. This does not surprise me one bit. We already know the Samsung's can do accurate colors and put out a sharper picture. We were all waiting with baited breath to see about what Samsung is NOT known for...the deep blacks! There's always next year!"And again, this has better PQ than ANY lcd ever... "
According to whom? You are entitled to your opinion. You may even be right. But you do not come across as objective."In mine eyes (not becose I own a set my self, but because I have owned many high-end sets both lcd and plasmas and also the kuro) this is one of the best ever.. So are the 550!!"
Ahem! I've seen the 550, and of course it is not anywhere close to being the best ever. You are entitled to your opinion of course. But everyone can see you are not objective in the least. You have not even owned the set long enough to make such a confident assertion. Have you even taken delivery and unboxed yours yet? Have you even broken it in yet? Yet you are already acting like a high school cheerleader calling it the best ever.
Come back and talk to us in a few months, when you've come down from your euphoria over getting a 1 inch thick piece of beauty.
Originally Posted by jenseike
This just show how much you know about your plasmas.. I dont even think that you have seen a G10 with a statement like thiat. The blacks on a g10 is very black and is only been blacker by the kuro in the flatscreen world.. The G10 is actually having the same panel as the V10 and give the same blacks as it also when you calibrate it.. And that is exelent blacks. Not far behind the kuro. G10 has its flaws but in the black department it is very good.. And if this set is just behind it, that is tird best in the flatscreen world... Second, I think not only you but others and jumping a litle to conclution here. Try read between the lines in this revirew. Mr Chad thinks that this is a great sets I am reading and that is not bad coming fron a calibrator as him.. Also when he is comparing to the kuro all the time, and even beets the kuro in some section that say very much about the set... I think that this set got an exelent review here, you do in fact need a pitch black room top see that the kuro beets it in black.. It beets the kuro in other detartments and even getting compared to a kuro in a review is just great.. Not many panels have benn that in any review and that just tels me we are talking about a great set... And again, this has better PQ than ANY lcd ever... Those of you like this guy documaker should try to have a look at it before you make any conclution.. In mine eyes (not becose I own a set my self, but because I have owned many high-end sets both lcd and plasmas and also the kuro) this is one of the best ever.. So are the 550!! Samsung have done a very good job in the 09 plasma I think and just because it does not beet the kuro in the black department that does not say that it is a bad set at all.. No panels beet the kuro. not yet.
Even if the G10 is mid range in price and looks it is the same panel/pq and blacks as the V10 and z1... The only difference is the controls.. And this is exelent blacks I can asure you...
EDIT: I just want to correct my selfe a litle.. Actually, most sets do get compared to the kurp - but not many have found so good that the tester have bother to mention them in the comparison..