Samsung PNXXB850 & PNXXB860 Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 3

Originally Posted by zman58

OK, fair enough. Learn something new every day. I'd be happy to get the 850 and make the change if the warranty is not voided.

And, of course, I'd be happy to save the $100 like everyone ... just not if it voided the warranty (what is the reference to "technically does not" mean).

Regarding my pay level ... no, not quite up to the quoted level but not far off. But, I have a feeling that I have a few years on you :-).

Originally Posted by gbmannc

Well, it only voids the warranty if you screw it up.

Originally Posted by jenseike

hehe.. No, it does not bother me at all. You are very welcome.. I just think that the cinema smooth discussion can stay at that other tread since it is allready so many post there.. Regarding the engine.. If you check out other countrys, like f eks the netherland (they have the 850), and you can see in the spec that also this have cinema smooth.. IT is THIS engine that are running the process of cinema smooth.. So there you go...

http://www.samsung.com/nl/consumer/d...XXC&fullspec=F

http://www.samsung.com/no/consumer/d...XXE&fullspec=F

Originally Posted by zpert

jenseike,

While I understand your wanting to keep this thread clean for PNxxB850 and 860 owners, I'm soon buying one of the two, and have a BIG issue that I'm dealing with right now. I believe this post DOES belong here, since it is something that Chad B can measure and test. I live in North Dakota, and my Best Buy in my city is not a Magnolia store. They only have the 850, and said they cannot sell the 860, since it is exclusively Magnolia stores' tv.

My point here is I need to find out definitively whether or not Cinema Smooth is on the 850. I know you and some of the others wish we would stop talking about this, but please try to understand that it just has not been proven, and by that I mean measured to be true.

Believe me, I've done my share of reading on this, and this is what I know from the reading I've done, and from your post from the CNET forum:
You can turn on 24x4 on the 850 in the service menu. BUT! And this is the big BUT, while I know that 24x4 IS Cinema Smooth, some have said that the 850 and 860 have DIFFERENT HARDWARE. If they do have different hardware, then it has been mentioned that while they have the same option as the 860 in the service menu, it could be turned off by Samsung since the hardware does not support it. Therefore, if this is true, turning 24x4 on in the 850 SM might not do anything.

Many people are trying to get answers by arguing about what "this guy" says or the Samsung tech, or the website, or the user guide, etc. and they all contradict each other!

Here is the answer, so please listen to me. We need someone with access to a 860 AND an 850 to first somehow measure the motion on the 860 with Cinema Smooth off and then on. Then, do the same thing with the 850. The key is to find a difference in the 860 with it turned on as opposed to off. This is the ONLY true way to prove that it works. It is just not enough for me to make a $2300 investment not fully knowing what I'm getting.

I am sorry if I don't understand the forum enough, and if I am wrong by posting on this thread, but I am soon to be a 850 or 860 owner, and as a soon-to-be Samsung owner, this is HUGE to me. Because of this, I have the best of intentions, and a burning desire, to find a proven answer to this so everyone can know the truth.

Originally Posted by pcdo

So it seems that if you want the best blacks in a display 63-65" then the only choices still would be the 65S1 or 65V10.

Originally Posted by zpert

jenseike,

While I understand your wanting to keep this thread clean for PNxxB850 and 860 owners, I'm soon buying one of the two, and have a BIG issue that I'm dealing with right now. I believe this post DOES belong here, since it is something that Chad B can measure and test. I live in North Dakota, and my Best Buy in my city is not a Magnolia store. They only have the 850, and said they cannot sell the 860, since it is exclusively Magnolia stores' tv.

My point here is I need to find out definitively whether or not Cinema Smooth is on the 850. I know you and some of the others wish we would stop talking about this, but please try to understand that it just has not been proven, and by that I mean measured to be true.

Believe me, I've done my share of reading on this, and this is what I know from the reading I've done, and from your post from the CNET forum:
You can turn on 24x4 on the 850 in the service menu. BUT! And this is the big BUT, while I know that 24x4 IS Cinema Smooth, some have said that the 850 and 860 have DIFFERENT HARDWARE. If they do have different hardware, then it has been mentioned that while they have the same option as the 860 in the service menu, it could be turned off by Samsung since the hardware does not support it. Therefore, if this is true, turning 24x4 on in the 850 SM might not do anything.

Many people are trying to get answers by arguing about what "this guy" says or the Samsung tech, or the website, or the user guide, etc. and they all contradict each other!

Here is the answer, so please listen to me. We need someone with access to a 860 AND an 850 to first somehow measure the motion on the 860 with Cinema Smooth off and then on. Then, do the same thing with the 850. The key is to find a difference in the 860 with it turned on as opposed to off. This is the ONLY true way to prove that it works. It is just not enough for me to make a $2300 investment not fully knowing what I'm getting.

I am sorry if I don't understand the forum enough, and if I am wrong by posting on this thread, but I am soon to be a 850 or 860 owner, and as a soon-to-be Samsung owner, this is HUGE to me. Because of this, I have the best of intentions, and a burning desire, to find a proven answer to this so everyone can know the truth.

Originally Posted by emelioestaves

Hi zpert,

I am just responding to your Best Buy not carrying the 860. I work for a Best Buy and though we do not have a Magnolia store we can still order Magnolia TVs for customers, I have done so on several occasions. All the TVs are in everyones system to ring up generally. I would advise you to check with them again and make sure the salesperson you were working with was not just uninformed. He/She may have simply checked their inventory for this TV in a system called "RSS". If they are not a magnolia store it would not return a result for this TV but they would just need to change the store number to one that is a Magnolia or simply try and place an order through one of our ordering systems. I am wondering if he/she even tried to place an order or if they just "checked their stock"

Look at the Best Buy website and pull up the 860. Write down the SKU # found on the product page somewhere near the model number or price and take that to them. Have them try and place an order through ROS if you need delivery or with Green Screen for ordering it for pick up from the store.

Just wanted to give you some tips to try since I know I work with a few people who don't know much and would do something like tell a customer we can't order a certain product just because our store does not carry it. Let me know too if they still say they can't and if so why not? I am curious.

Originally Posted by zpert

jenseike,

While I understand your wanting to keep this thread clean for PNxxB850 and 860 owners, I'm soon buying one of the two, and have a BIG issue that I'm dealing with right now. I believe this post DOES belong here, since it is something that Chad B can measure and test. I live in North Dakota, and my Best Buy in my city is not a Magnolia store. They only have the 850, and said they cannot sell the 860, since it is exclusively Magnolia stores' tv.

My point here is I need to find out definitively whether or not Cinema Smooth is on the 850. I know you and some of the others wish we would stop talking about this, but please try to understand that it just has not been proven, and by that I mean measured to be true.

Believe me, I've done my share of reading on this, and this is what I know from the reading I've done, and from your post from the CNET forum:
You can turn on 24x4 on the 850 in the service menu. BUT! And this is the big BUT, while I know that 24x4 IS Cinema Smooth, some have said that the 850 and 860 have DIFFERENT HARDWARE. If they do have different hardware, then it has been mentioned that while they have the same option as the 860 in the service menu, it could be turned off by Samsung since the hardware does not support it. Therefore, if this is true, turning 24x4 on in the 850 SM might not do anything.

Many people are trying to get answers by arguing about what "this guy" says or the Samsung tech, or the website, or the user guide, etc. and they all contradict each other!

Here is the answer, so please listen to me. We need someone with access to a 860 AND an 850 to first somehow measure the motion on the 860 with Cinema Smooth off and then on. Then, do the same thing with the 850. The key is to find a difference in the 860 with it turned on as opposed to off. This is the ONLY true way to prove that it works. It is just not enough for me to make a $2300 investment not fully knowing what I'm getting.

I am sorry if I don't understand the forum enough, and if I am wrong by posting on this thread, but I am soon to be a 850 or 860 owner, and as a soon-to-be Samsung owner, this is HUGE to me. Because of this, I have the best of intentions, and a burning desire, to find a proven answer to this so everyone can know the truth.

Originally Posted by thj17

+1
I wish someone could prove it actually works
here in Canada there will be no 860 and no 560 so basically it just lets us the 650 coming with cinema smooth

Originally Posted by xcardman

although a 850 has 24p, what about if 850 has other hardware so it could be shown as 60Hz. like their 2008 model receive 24p but running 60Hz internally.
has anyone seen it and done a test

Originally Posted by jenseike

The 850 does not have other HW.. It is the same!!!! And yes, if you dont enable the cinema smooth function the panel will show 24p using 3:2 /60Hz. This is standar movie setting, you need to enable cinema smooth to have it run in 96Hz 4:4

Did you not read the french review?.. It DO SAY that the 850 DO have Cinema smooth... ie: it has the same HW :

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...N%26start%3D20

This is a test of the 850.. This should prove to everybody that it is the same HW and that the 850 are able to run cinema smooth in 96Hz.. They have tested it!!!!
Jens

Originally Posted by xcardman

well we have no problem in Europe, but I still can not understand they make two models 850/860

I hope the review will come later to day

Originally Posted by jenseike

The 850 that you are able to buy in canada DO have the cinema smooth feature enabled. You DO NOT have to go in to the service menu in canada... All other countrys other than US have it enabled... If you open up the link in one of my previus post you would have seen f ex netherland have 850 and they have it.. We have it also and every other country have it.. You can never go by what is coming from samsung out in the us in other countrys.. US is allways having something specially from samsung and this year this is the case here..

Jens

Originally Posted by brafman

I've read that the 860 has the ability to store different calibration settings for daytime vs. nighttime, but that the 850 does not. If true, that would prove that at least the software is different on the two TVs. It would also be unfortunate because it sounds like a very useful feature which would mean having to pay extra for the 860!

Originally Posted by thj17

Sorry but it is not advertised on the samsung canada website and it is for the 650 so...

Originally Posted by toyand

Hi all --

Just wanted to let you know that my 58B860 should be here this Friday. This is literally the same unit that Chris+Chad have been playing with (they offered to calibrate my TV if I let them review it) so if people have further questions I'd be happy to help once I get it in.

Andrew

Originally Posted by toyand

Hi all --

Just wanted to let you know that my 58B860 should be here this Friday. This is literally the same unit that Chris+Chad have been playing with (they offered to calibrate my TV if I let them review it) so if people have further questions I'd be happy to help once I get it in.

Andrew

Originally Posted by toyand

Hi -

I had a 5 year old HLN Samsung 50 inch Rear projection DLP so I'm hoping this is a bit of a step up =)

Andrew

Originally Posted by jenseike

yes - it is adverticed that it has the engine :

Picture Engine SAMSUNG Crystal FHD Engine

ie: FHD = CS

I know it also say that cinema smooth: no but this is missinformation. Just check other countrys and be logical about this.. It is there.. End of discussion for mine part!!

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

PN50B860 just showed up

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

PN50B860 just showed up