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post #151 of 177
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

Look on page 64 in the playable formats table. It is clear that everything is limited to 48khz.

While true, I don't see this as something negative exactly. The media player capabilities are pretty much a nice freebie that's a carry over of features in their receiver line. I doubt it cost them much in terms of development time to throw the feature in and it certainly doesn't take anything away from the overall product. If you don't like the included feature, there's nothing stopping you from using some other solution - at least the choice is there.
post #152 of 177
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

While true, I don't see this as something negative exactly. The media player capabilities are pretty much a nice freebie that's a carry over of features in their receiver line. I doubt it cost them much in terms of development time to throw the feature in and it certainly doesn't take anything away from the overall product. If you don't like the included feature, there's nothing stopping you from using some other solution - at least the choice is there.

Agreed, not sure if this a downside to the avp but fact is if you track the owners thread most are using either a extra external box or both. Personally i prefer a simple AppleTV+touch others use a external pc. Problem is i don't see any of the audio companies delivering the type of interfaces we want from them that are upto the same level as say a apple gui.

Anyone seriously doing streaming will use a external box at the moment...

Daniel.
post #153 of 177
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Agreed, not sure if this a downside to the avp but fact is if you track the owners thread most are using either a extra external box or both. Personally i prefer a simple AppleTV+touch others use a external pc. Problem is i don't see any of the audio companies delivering the type of interfaces we want from them that are upto the same level as say a apple gui.

Anyone seriously doing streaming will use a external box at the moment...

Exactly. In my case, I'm using J River Media Center on my HTPC. As some have noted in the AVP thread, it's also possible to use external software to stream to the AVP, so you get the benefits of the AVP's decoding capabilities (even if they're limited to 48khz - not an issue for CD audio) and the advantage of a better UI. It's all about choices and the AVP gives you them.
post #154 of 177
The Anthem D2v IS better.

We can now close this thread. Thank you.
post #155 of 177
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

The Anthem D2v IS better.

We can now close this thread. Thank you.



Well, I guess if you say so...

post #156 of 177
The Denon AVP-A1HDCI IS better.

We can now close this thread. Thank you.

post #157 of 177
Ok my turn.....

The D2v is better..... Cause I bought that one....
post #158 of 177
Perhaps we can all agree that they're BOTH better - it just depends on the specific situation / buyer's preference. Nothing else currently available touches either of these options regardless of price.
post #159 of 177
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Originally Posted by danielo View Post

Personally i can't see how you can have a full HT setup these days without having a rj45 or 2 going to your av rack. imho don't even bother with wifi put a cable in attach a nice switch and feed all your devices. You will end up doing it anyway if its not today it will be soon.

Daniel.

I am sure you know that there are plenty of circumstances where that is not feasible.
post #160 of 177
Regardless of what any of us think, the OP has made his decision and bought the unit of his choice!! Nuf said...
post #161 of 177
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

I converted all my 1200 cds to flacs. I also start procurings lots of MAster series Flacs sources at 88.4 or 96kh @ 24bits (see linn records, deutsche grammophon). The Denon implementation is too limited at 48Khz@16bits. There will soon lots of devices that will be able to drive the ANthem D2v via HDMI with Flacs music at upto 192Khz 24bits.

Look at the squeezebox transporter http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html

There is probably cheaper devices that will provide 192Khz cooking in some labs.


Kudo to Anthem for not having be distracted with the integration of a gadget that is already obsolete. The Equivalent could be bought a pocket changes (compare to price of the AVP) and is better integrated from Slim Devices Duet (amazing remote control and ergonomy)

Check out the PS Audio PerfectWave DAC/Bridge combo for a high end networked audio option ... It caches the digital content into a large solid state memory buffer and then plays it out of the SS memory buffer to eliminate jitter and network latency issues. Should be a great unit for on-tap 16-32 bit content.
post #162 of 177
Hello everyone.

First of all, thank you all for your contributions to this thread which, regardless of what every one of you actually have for piece in your racks already, has been both educational and informative. Also, as pretty much all of you have already stated, I'm sure that every single of you is very satisfied no matter which one of these two great products you own.

With that said, I just would like to mention one other issue that none of you ever talked about and which is definitely worth discussing when choosing between Anthem or Denon, namely the effect of the combination of the piece with a matching amplifier to consider. What I would like to know is, which one of you guys did also buy the matching amplifier to go with your pre-pros, i.e. Anthem Statement P5/P2 or Denon POA? And what are your experiences of combining the two pieces together?
Or maybe in your opinions, it doesn't matter which amp is added to the system? Are there, apart from getting matching looks... any other pros or cons towards getting the matching amps when buying the pre-pro or could they easily be combining with any other brands of amps??

Although that might not become a real issue choosing the one amp over the other, but I still would like to hear some opinions on the subject since I'm now sitting in the same spot, i.e. choosing between these two! Honeslyt I cannot find any other pre-pro whith the same attribute and specs. The long time promised P777 and AV888 does not seem to be yet available for either listening or reviewing purposes... IMHO that combo could be (for A/V purposes) the only other combo worth mentioning as a rival.

Cheers
/B.
post #163 of 177
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

What I would like to know is, which one of you guys did also buy the matching amplifier to go with your pre-pros, i.e. Anthem Statement P5/P2 or Denon POA? And what are your experiences of combining the two pieces together? Or maybe in your opinions, it doesn't matter which amp is added to the system?

I'm sure you'll hear from some very happy owners of the Denon combo, having read the Official AVP/POA thread for a while, and I'll let them tell you about the fit and features you get when connecting the two. Personally I was very happy with my existing Krell amps, and the Denon AVP let me continue to use balanced connections between my pre/pro and my amps, and provided the standard 12v trigger pulses I needed to control amp power, so I never really considered changing amps when I bought the AVP. If I had a reason to buy new amps, I'd probably go with the POA based on what I've read, but I think you can comfortably assume that if you like your current amps you'll be happy marrying them to the Denon AVP. (And though I have no direct experience with it, I suspect the same is true for the Anthem D2v). It's an interesting question, though, and I'll be curious to see what others have to say.
post #164 of 177
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Originally Posted by larryy View Post

I'm sure you'll hear from some very happy owners of the Denon combo, having read the Official AVP/POA thread for a while, and I'll let them tell you about the fit and features you get when connecting the two. Personally I was very happy with my existing Krell amps, and the Denon AVP let me continue to use balanced connections between my pre/pro and my amps, and provided the standard 12v trigger pulses I needed to control amp power, so I never really considered changing amps when I bought the AVP. If I had a reason to buy new amps, I'd probably go with the POA based on what I've read, but I think you can comfortably assume that if you like your current amps you'll be happy marrying them to the Denon AVP. (And though I have no direct experience with it, I suspect the same is true for the Anthem D2v). It's an interesting question, though, and I'll be curious to see what others have to say.

I've got the Denon combo and am thrilled with it. When I bought the Denon AVP, I had 3 Krell KAV-250 series amps (2 3 channels and 1 2 channel). A few months later, one of those Krell amps developed a problem that required repairs. Instead of getting it repaired, I decided to sell the Krell amps on eBay and get the Denon POA amp. In the end, it didn't cost me much to make the change. It's no worse than a lateral move sound quality wise and saves me some space in my cabinets - the Krells were excellent amps and the POA is too.
post #165 of 177
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Hello everyone.

First of all, thank you all for your contributions to this thread which, regardless of what every one of you actually have for piece in your racks already, has been both educational and informative. Also, as pretty much all of you have already stated, I'm sure that every single of you is very satisfied no matter which one of these two great products you own.

With that said, I just would like to mention one other issue that none of you ever talked about and which is definitely worth discussing when choosing between Anthem or Denon, namely the effect of the combination of the piece with a matching amplifier to consider. What I would like to know is, which one of you guys did also buy the matching amplifier to go with your pre-pros, i.e. Anthem Statement P5/P2 or Denon POA? And what are your experiences of combining the two pieces together?
Or maybe in your opinions, it doesn't matter which amp is added to the system? Are there, apart from getting matching looks... any other pros or cons towards getting the matching amps when buying the pre-pro or could they easily be combining with any other brands of amps??

Although that might not become a real issue choosing the one amp over the other, but I still would like to hear some opinions on the subject since I'm now sitting in the same spot, i.e. choosing between these two! Honeslyt I cannot find any other pre-pro whith the same attribute and specs. The long time promised P777 and AV888 does not seem to be yet available for either listening or reviewing purposes... IMHO that combo could be (for A/V purposes) the only other combo worth mentioning as a rival.

Cheers
/B.

Amps of similar quality will be the same. Sound has been proven to be unaffected by amps (of similar build quality). So it doesn't really matter.

That being said, I have the D2v + P5 + P2 and I'm thrilled. The P2/P5 are nearly perfect HP amps, and I won't ever need to replace them (stable down to a short circuit; stable power output across the resistance spectrum, etc.).
post #166 of 177
Many thx to larryy, gsr and AbMagFab for your inputs!

Espcially considering the fact that all three have gone down different roads. Basically all three of you guys are equally happy with your present gear.

The issue I brought up about mixing combos or not, was for me important and interesting for different reasons:

1. Not everyone does have any existing separates before aquiring a pre/pro, myself included. I own just a normal A/V receiver for now. So down the line I will have nothing else to compare a full combo with.

2. Everything else aside, would matching a combo instead of getting parts from different brands, make actually make more sense or would it make it more smart, economical, practical, feasable or suitable for the owner? If already owning a heavy amp I would definitely understand why one would keep the amp and only go for the pre/pro piece. That is even more true if you happen to be pretty comfortable/satisfied with your existing amp.

But I do wonder whether it really wouldn't matter choosing for instance an Anthem P5 + P2 and ultimately getting an amp-combo with a total of 7 all the way monoblock channels compared to another piece, a non-monoblock gear with 7 or more channels, if this combination would be, say, sonicly compared to Denon AVP/POA? Shouldn't the Anthem P2 + P5 even logically be more tempting?! I mean everything else equal, could a Denon AVP + Anthem P5+P2 be more attractive than say a D2v + P5+P2? Or the other way around... could for instance Anthem D2v + Denon POA have any chance of sounding better than a Denon AVP + POA combination??

3. The problem with reading separate reviews on every one of these amp gears is that they're very seldom directly compared to one another during the same review and with otherwise the exactly same components. Of course, any of the Anthem P5, Denon POA and probably even krells, Mark Levinsons and even an Arcam P777 would without doubt get nothing but hurrays and superlative adjectives all the way from the reviewer.
But that does not say anything about which combination would actually be offering the best sound quality. Amps do basically the same thing at the end, some connectors might differ, and also considering the price tag of these babies, they're more likely to differ somewhat in their sound characteristics being heard by the listener, rather than very obvious sound quality issies in terms of considerable shortcomings of any kind in any one of them compared to the others.

So what I'm trying to say is that while every single of you guys being mighty satisfied, let's say impressed even, with your existing combos to this date, does that really make it an objective consideration all other things alike, or is it more about the kind of a "sound" every single one of you has come to recognize, like, prefer and even got acustomed to since you happen to own your specific system? Of course the sound is most likely to be preferred by different listeners based on highly subjective preferences rather than sonicly objective judgement... but does that mean that for a person who does not own a separate combo yet and maybe doesn't even have the opportunity to test-drive any of them due to lack of local availability of those gears, wouldn't matter which one to choose since no matter the combination, it should probably sound "good enough" in any system set up?

Does it mean that the only reason why one would go for a "real combo" and choosing a merrige between two or more pieces from the same company, would be all about the matching looks of the peices and some matching connector-interface point of view? Or could a pure and real combination also offer genuinly a better sound quality overall than would if combined with som other brand, even though every single part by itself when put in another system should prove to be just equally good everything else alike?

Considering my own thoughts, I'm inclined to believe that there should be some positive sides when choosing a combo from the same company. But aside from that, logically but without ever being able to actually prove it objectively by listening and comparing, I'm also pretty bias or should I say "willing" to think that a P5 + P2 combo, all monoblock channels, should somehow have the potential of offering a better range, more power and less constrained sound compared to being put in other systems.
But then again I could be totally off or maybe the differences are so subtle that you would attest it's not even audiable.

Hmm.. pretty confusing! I guess it all comes down to being subjectively "happy" with the gear which your owns. Just a pitty that I probably wouldn't even be able to find ONE store in any place here in Sweden which would offer me any kind of existing piece of those mentioned above, not even from ONE brand, let alone offering a true and real listening audition for actual comparing purposes

Cheers,
/B.
post #167 of 177
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

2. Everything else aside, would matching a combo instead of getting parts from different brands, make actually make more sense or would it make it more smart, economical, practical, feasable or suitable for the owner? If already owning a heavy amp I would definitely understand why one would keep the amp and only go for the pre/pro piece. That is even more true if you happen to be pretty comfortable/satisfied with your existing amp.

If you're buying both pieces at the same time from the same dealer, economical might enter the equation in that the dealer might give you a better deal on a combination of processor and amp than if you just bought one piece. That doesn't really mean you need to purchase a "matched" pair though.
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Does it mean that the only reason why one would go for a "real combo" and choosing a merrige between two or more pieces from the same company, would be all about the matching looks of the peices and some matching connector-interface point of view? Or could a pure and real combination also offer genuinly a better sound quality overall than would if combined with som other brand, even though every single part by itself when put in another system should prove to be just equally good everything else alike?

In the case of the Denon AVP/POA combo, you do gain the ability to configure the amp (which channels are bridged, etc.) through the setup menu on the AVP. It's a nice feature, but certainly not THE reason to go with the combo. I suppose there's a chance that some combos might have a magic quality when used together, but I honestly think you're overthinking this whole thing - as AbMagFab said most any well designed amp is going to sound great so it's going to be tough to come up with a quality amp that won't pair well with either of these processors. If matching cosmetics are important to you, you can rest assured that both the Denon and Anthem amps are very highly regarded.
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Just a pitty that I probably wouldn't even be able to find ONE store in any place here in Sweden which would offer me any kind of existing piece of those mentioned above, not even from ONE brand, let alone offering a true and real listening audition for actual comparing purposes

And that's unfortunate, because auditioning various options in your own home is really the best way to make a choice. At least in this case, it would be tough to make a bad choice.
post #168 of 177
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Many thx to larryy, gsr and AbMagFab for your inputs!

Espcially considering the fact that all three have gone down different roads. Basically all three of you guys are equally happy with your present gear.

The issue I brought up about mixing combos or not, was for me important and interesting for different reasons:

1. Not everyone does have any existing separates before aquiring a pre/pro, myself included. I own just a normal A/V receiver for now. So down the line I will have nothing else to compare a full combo with.

2. Everything else aside, would matching a combo instead of getting parts from different brands, make actually make more sense or would it make it more smart, economical, practical, feasable or suitable for the owner? If already owning a heavy amp I would definitely understand why one would keep the amp and only go for the pre/pro piece. That is even more true if you happen to be pretty comfortable/satisfied with your existing amp.

But I do wonder whether it really wouldn't matter choosing for instance an Anthem P5 + P2 and ultimately getting an amp-combo with a total of 7 all the way monoblock channels compared to another piece, a non-monoblock gear with 7 or more channels, if this combination would be, say, sonicly compared to Denon AVP/POA? Shouldn't the Anthem P2 + P5 even logically be more tempting?! I mean everything else equal, could a Denon AVP + Anthem P5+P2 be more attractive than say a D2v + P5+P2? Or the other way around... could for instance Anthem D2v + Denon POA have any chance of sounding better than a Denon AVP + POA combination??

3. The problem with reading separate reviews on every one of these amp gears is that they're very seldom directly compared to one another during the same review and with otherwise the exactly same components. Of course, any of the Anthem P5, Denon POA and probably even krells, Mark Levinsons and even an Arcam P777 would without doubt get nothing but hurrays and superlative adjectives all the way from the reviewer.
But that does not say anything about which combination would actually be offering the best sound quality. Amps do basically the same thing at the end, some connectors might differ, and also considering the price tag of these babies, they're more likely to differ somewhat in their sound characteristics being heard by the listener, rather than very obvious sound quality issies in terms of considerable shortcomings of any kind in any one of them compared to the others.

So what I'm trying to say is that while every single of you guys being mighty satisfied, let's say impressed even, with your existing combos to this date, does that really make it an objective consideration all other things alike, or is it more about the kind of a "sound" every single one of you has come to recognize, like, prefer and even got acustomed to since you happen to own your specific system? Of course the sound is most likely to be preferred by different listeners based on highly subjective preferences rather than sonicly objective judgement... but does that mean that for a person who does not own a separate combo yet and maybe doesn't even have the opportunity to test-drive any of them due to lack of local availability of those gears, wouldn't matter which one to choose since no matter the combination, it should probably sound "good enough" in any system set up?

Does it mean that the only reason why one would go for a "real combo" and choosing a merrige between two or more pieces from the same company, would be all about the matching looks of the peices and some matching connector-interface point of view? Or could a pure and real combination also offer genuinly a better sound quality overall than would if combined with som other brand, even though every single part by itself when put in another system should prove to be just equally good everything else alike?

Considering my own thoughts, I'm inclined to believe that there should be some positive sides when choosing a combo from the same company. But aside from that, logically but without ever being able to actually prove it objectively by listening and comparing, I'm also pretty bias or should I say "willing" to think that a P5 + P2 combo, all monoblock channels, should somehow have the potential of offering a better range, more power and less constrained sound compared to being put in other systems.
But then again I could be totally off or maybe the differences are so subtle that you would attest it's not even audiable.

Hmm.. pretty confusing! I guess it all comes down to being subjectively "happy" with the gear which your owns. Just a pitty that I probably wouldn't even be able to find ONE store in any place here in Sweden which would offer me any kind of existing piece of those mentioned above, not even from ONE brand, let alone offering a true and real listening audition for actual comparing purposes

Cheers,
/B.

Again, sound quality won't change with amps of similar quality. So 7 mono-blocks from Anthem versus 7 mono-blocks from Denon will sound identical, all other things being equal.

However pre-pros *do* effect sound and sound quality, from how they process the sound to their RoomEQ to the components used in audio upconversion to their DACs, etc.

In this case, the consensus is that the AVP and the D2v are very similar. Some prefer the sound of the D2v, some prefer the AVP, but both are good pre-pros and you'd be happy with either choice. The differences tend to come down to configuration flexibility/minutia, VP, and of course brand loyalty (and what you think of the manufacturer's history).

So once you're in the higher-end monoblock amp territory, pick any one and you'll be fine. You'll likely get a better deal buying the pre-pro and amps at the same time, but that's really the only argument for buying the same brand.

Instead, focus on which pre-pro you like more, both for the sound, the features, and the manufacturer.
post #169 of 177
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

2. Everything else aside, would matching a combo instead of getting parts from different brands, make actually make more sense or would it make it more smart, economical, practical, feasable or suitable for the owner? If already owning a heavy amp I would definitely understand why one would keep the amp and only go for the pre/pro piece. That is even more true if you happen to be pretty comfortable/satisfied with your existing amp.

My thoughts on this are similar to AbMagFab's and that's amps are the least impactful component in the chain providing they have suitable power to do the job.

Both the amps that go with these pre-pros are beasts.
I don't think I'd buy the Anthem, the 2 piece combo to get seven channels is just too much, and they're freakin huge plus the P5 is really deep and won't fit into a lot of racks.
The Denon IMO is imminently configurable with its' 10 channels and bridgability, and it would be my preference of the two but having said that if I were buying today I wouldn't buy either, regardless of which pre-pro I owned. I just think they're too pricey and I'd buy a D-Sonic 2500-7 which is a reference quality M/C amp using ICEpower modules with 500w x 3ch & 250w x 4ch at about half the price. The 500w modules are the same as in the highly acclaimed Bel Canto Ref e1000's. I think this amp represents one of the best value/dollar options out there, and it will be far more energy efficient as a bonus.
post #170 of 177
Again, thank you all for your inputs.

Well, after reading about your insights, still w/o personally being able to listen to any of the pieces first hand, nevertheless, I think it's pretty much settled that high-end amps all produce great sound.

To be honest, for a while I was pretty interested in Bel Canto Ref e1000 Mk II. The problem is that one would need at least 3 of them to drive 2 fronts and a center speaker. It becomes waaaay to expensive... also I don't know if the combination would mean any set-backs for a HT compared to only audiophile purposes.. on the other hand combining a P5 + P2 to get at least a 7.1 system isn't all that cheap either.

BTW, any good suggestions for some reliable and still good pricing stores in UK or some other place in Europe that would sell either Denon or Anthem?! As stated earlier, it seems to be completely hopeless to find any gear here in Sweden...

Cheers
/B.
post #171 of 177
If your looking at IcePower with the Bel Cantos, then you should also take a look at Wyred4Sound

They are very well made and SQ is top notch and offer the same B&O modules as the Bel Canto's...
post #172 of 177
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

If your looking at IcePower with the Bel Cantos, then you should also take a look at Wyred4Sound

They are very well made and SQ is top notch and offer the same B&O modules as the Bel Canto's...

A good point to bring up, these amps use the same B&O modules but some companies charge a lot more for them.
post #173 of 177
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To be honest, for a while I was pretty interested in Bel Canto Ref e1000 Mk II. The problem is that one would need at least 3 of them to drive 2 fronts and a center speaker. It becomes waaaay to expensive... /B.

To quote myself;

"..a D-Sonic 2500-7 which is a reference quality M/C amp using ICEpower modules with 500w x 3ch & 250w x 4ch at about half the price. The 500w modules are the same as in the highly acclaimed Bel Canto Ref e1000's. I think this amp represents one of the best value/dollar options out there, and it will be far more energy efficient as a bonus."


And as mentioned above Wryed also builds the same with a few tweaks.
post #174 of 177
I learned alot from reading through this thread. We are trying to decide between these two units--of course each has changed since this thread was in its heyday. No need to rehash it all--I just wondered whether anyone has actually owned both units and has something to say abou their comparison.
post #175 of 177
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Originally Posted by DoctorO View Post

I learned alot from reading through this thread. We are trying to decide between these two units--of course each has changed since this thread was in its heyday. No need to rehash it all--I just wondered whether anyone has actually owned both units and has something to say abou their comparison.

There's an upgrade available now for the AVP that brings it up to HDMI 1.4a (3D support, but no audio return channel or ethernet support AFAIK), adds width / height channel support, and Audyssey XT-32. The Anthem has also had a few upgrades including 3D support (on half of the HDMI inputs).

But in the grand scheme of things, I don't think either unit has changed radically enough that it would affect the decision on which one to go with. I'd say the strengths and weaknesses of each are still pretty much as they were. Most buyers would be extremely happy with either choice and neither is a bad choice.
post #176 of 177
Years later ...anthem still haven't sorted out their unit so it decodes levels for various formats properly. Owners are forced to use the internal decoders in their players so PCM is seen by the anthem. If this isn't a failure in a very basic task you'd expect of a processor to handle I don't know what is. But yeah in all this time not something anthem able to fix.

In the mean time the denon flagship cruises along faultlessly, already had one update for audyssey and dl4 couple of years ago to bring upto latest spec. And much to delight of avp owners the flagship is heading into port for major upgrade this time hardware and software to again bring it to the fore. While ships in port it's party time for avp owners. After all guys like me owned this excellent unit for nearly 4 years. Who would have thought in the fast paced world of short product cycles I'd still be enjoying, which post this upgrade can continue to enjoy no doubt for years to come !

But let's not count chickens. Denon was very hard hit by the earthquake. See how the avp comes through this upgrade. maybe it will be a bug ridden pos and we all walk away. On other hand maybe with some initial hiccups it will come through o continue to be the great unit it is. In which case jump onboard

The anthem on the other side of the scales, if in that time it still isn't fixed. I'd take it they either can't fix it or can't be bothered in which case I don't think deserves your hard earned.. but on other hand maybe they will have it sorted and then it too is right for the picking.

So yeah my suggestion....waited so long...no harm wait a little longer....see what comes ....
post #177 of 177
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Years later ...anthem still haven't sorted out their unit so it decodes levels for various formats properly. Owners are forced to use the internal decoders in their players so PCM is seen by the anthem. If this isn't a failure in a very basic task you'd expect of a processor to handle I don't know what is. But yeah in all this time not something anthem able to fix.

In the mean time the denon flagship cruises along faultlessly, already had one update for audyssey and dl4 couple of years ago to bring upto latest spec. And much to delight of avp owners the flagship is heading into port for major upgrade this time hardware and software to again bring it to the fore. While ships in port it's party time for avp owners. After all guys like me owned this excellent unit for nearly 4 years. Who would have thought in the fast paced world of short product cycles I'd still be enjoying, which post this upgrade can continue to enjoy no doubt for years to come !

But let's not count chickens. Denon was very hard hit by the earthquake. See how the avp comes through this upgrade. maybe it will be a bug ridden pos and we all walk away. On other hand maybe with some initial hiccups it will come through o continue to be the great unit it is. In which case jump onboard

The anthem on the other side of the scales, if in that time it still isn't fixed. I'd take it they either can't fix it or can't be bothered in which case I don't think deserves your hard earned.. but on other hand maybe they will have it sorted and then it too is right for the picking.

So yeah my suggestion....waited so long...no harm wait a little longer....see what comes ....

As a very happy AVP owner, I really can't agree that it is faultless. More than a few of us need to give it a hard power cycle every once in a while because the OSD stops working (the hard power cycle fixes it). The TCP/IP control will sometimes stop responding (again, a hard power cycle fixes it for a while). The AVP is pretty darn close to faultless, but to be fair to Anthem the it does have a few minor quirks.
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