Official Sony KDL-XXZ5100 Owner's Thread - Page 51

Originally Posted by Will Munshower

BBP,

The RXV-665 does allow for 24 frame material. Sooo...I am suspecting (quite strongly) that it is a setting in your AVR, since I read an overview of your Yammy and the fact that you said that 24 fps works when you connect directly to the Z.

I would look through the manual and/or mess with the menu settings on your AVR. I'll bet a dollar that there is a setting that is preventing you from passing the video data properly. I wish I knew the exact answer but I am a Denon and Onkyo man, myself. Not that there is anything wrong with Yamaha. The 665 is a fine product.

Not to pass the buck, but I would ask this question in the Yamaha AVR section. I'm sure someone will know exactly what is going on. But, do come back here, since you are an official member of the Z club!

Regards...Will

Originally Posted by KCinWhitby

Haven't tried to compare the settings yet but from what I remember from playing with the settings Wills backlight is lower but the Gamma was higher. It seemed to add to the brightness. Not sure how it affected the flashing. I think I may find the same thing, that sometimes it is there and some times it isn't. I only noticed it during hockey when it went to a commercial and it was a 4:3 image. I never noticed it when I first put in the settings and watched some of The Dark Knight. I'd think it would show up in that movie.

I'll keep an eye out for it. Or maybe I shouldn't.

Originally Posted by dsskid

Yes, unfortunately, backlighting and flashing don't play well together. If you're display is prone to flashing, Will's settings may be better for you, since his backlight setting is lower. My flashing isn't bad, and believe it or not, sometimes, it's there, and sometimes it's not. Go figure

Originally Posted by basalt1

I'm looking for suggestions for wireless headphones for use with the z5100. IR, dolby, and connected through the analog or optical audio out or via my a/v receiver. The z has no headphone jack. My primary use will be for netflix streaming as it does not offer closed captioning. I can crank the phones up enough for me to hear without bothering other folks and they can listen at normal levels.

Originally Posted by russr

It's there sometimes and isn't there at other times because:
1) The brighter the room, the harder it is to notice. During the day in a room with a lot of natural light, you won't notice it.

2) It is heat dependent. You will notice it more after your set has been on for a couple of hours vs. when you first turn it on.

3) It is most noticeable with 4:3 content or completely black loading screens such as those on the netflix app or video games, etc.

Originally Posted by russr

It's there sometimes and isn't there at other times because:
1) The brighter the room, the harder it is to notice. During the day in a room with a lot of natural light, you won't notice it.

2) It is heat dependent. You will notice it more after your set has been on for a couple of hours vs. when you first turn it on.

3) It is most noticeable with 4:3 content or completely black loading screens such as those on the netflix app or video games, etc.

Originally Posted by KCinWhitby

Thanks russr, so do you think I would/could I notice it when watching a blu ray?

KC

Originally Posted by Will Munshower

Kind of like if you cover your eyes, you're invisible!

I, as all of you, go looking for issues. If you look hard enough, you will find them!

Originally Posted by russr

I take it that's why you have your backlight at 2 and brightness down to 44? Don't you find the image a bit dull that way?

Originally Posted by Will Munshower

Kind of like if you cover your eyes, you're invisible!

I, as all of you, go looking for issues. If you look hard enough, you will find them!

Originally Posted by russr

It's there sometimes and isn't there at other times because:
1) The brighter the room, the harder it is to notice. During the day in a room with a lot of natural light, you won't notice it.

2) It is heat dependent. You will notice it more after your set has been on for a couple of hours vs. when you first turn it on.

3) It is most noticeable with 4:3 content or completely black loading screens such as those on the netflix app or video games, etc.

Originally Posted by CSonntag

Why would it be heat dependent? Isn't it due to light leakage in front of the diffuser panel? Why would heat have any effect on that?

Originally Posted by russr

About a month ago, i was in the same situation as you. The Z5100 has no headphone out and if you don't have a receiver with a headphone out (or no receiver at all), you can't hook up headphones to the TV. It does have an rca analog out, but that is line level which won't be enough to drive headphones unless they have their own amp.

If you're keen on wireless, I recommend The Sennheiser RS160, RS170 or RS180. They are completely digital and thus are not susceptible to hissing or any other analog noise:
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/private...es_home_502873

If you find those too expensive, I suggest getting a headphone amp (this is the route I chose) and just hooking up a good set of wired headphones with a long cord. The headphone amp I bought was this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ef=oss_product

Originally Posted by basalt1

Thanks for the headphone amp suggestioin. A very good alternative. One further question. Does the optical out on the z5100 pass Dolby for all inputs selected or just for the tv's tuner? On some sets I've read that the optical or coaxial outs reduce to stereo only for sources fed through the various external inputs??

Originally Posted by jrmbadger1

Hey all,
Ok, so I originally bought a 52W5100 which was great, but it had terrible clouding issues (Mura) - off it went to Amazon - which by that time had discontinued it. So I went to Ultimate Electronics and they had a sale on a Z panel for 1699. I took it home and initially it was great. After awhile I noticed the flashlighting on the two upper corners. To me its not horrible (the wife doesn't notice it looking right at it), but its bad enough for me to notice. It bugs you.

I didn't wanna do a straight exchange with UE as I might get one worse (this one has very little clouding), so I ended up buying a SECOND Z panel with the plan of returning the one that had the worst problems. The new one purchased had clouding nearly as bad as the W I returned - so back the second Z went. So now I'm thinking of whether I should try this again.

BUT.... that leads to the question:

I believe that more people have this problem than realize it. This is due to the conditions necessary to view the problem as well as individual sensitivities to the issue.

Has anybody here who has experienced the problem with a different model or different set (i.e. knows what it looks like and how to reproduce it) actually had a XXZ5100 set that DOES NOT have the problem? I guess I'm looking for someone who knows what to look for tell me that there are sets without this problem because I'm not convinced.

I love this t.v. outside of this problem. It's so close to perfection that it makes me wanna cry! I think that is why this is so frustrating.

I don't think the LED t.v.'s are any better (the Amazon reviews of the Samsung LEDs are littered with flashlight spottings and I don't think Sony would be any better) or I'd wait for next years Sony models. Other manufacturer's seem to have this problem as well.

thanks
Justin

Originally Posted by dsskid

From Joel:



As I suspected, it was to minimize clipping.

To get Blacker than Black and Peak White video data out of the PS3 you must use YCbCr video output data format and turn SuperWhite ON.

Originally Posted by Smarty-pants

Good ole Bob Pariseau. When Bob speaks, people listen... at least they should.

Originally Posted by jrmbadger1

Hey all,
Ok, so I originally bought a 52W5100 which was great, but it had terrible clouding issues (Mura) - off it went to Amazon - which by that time had discontinued it. So I went to Ultimate Electronics and they had a sale on a Z panel for 1699. I took it home and initially it was great. After awhile I noticed the flashlighting on the two upper corners. To me its not horrible (the wife doesn't notice it looking right at it), but its bad enough for me to notice. It bugs you.

I didn't wanna do a straight exchange with UE as I might get one worse (this one has very little clouding), so I ended up buying a SECOND Z panel with the plan of returning the one that had the worst problems. The new one purchased had clouding nearly as bad as the W I returned - so back the second Z went. So now I'm thinking of whether I should try this again.

BUT.... that leads to the question:

I believe that more people have this problem than realize it. This is due to the conditions necessary to view the problem as well as individual sensitivities to the issue.

Has anybody here who has experienced the problem with a different model or different set (i.e. knows what it looks like and how to reproduce it) actually had a XXZ5100 set that DOES NOT have the problem? I guess I'm looking for someone who knows what to look for tell me that there are sets without this problem because I'm not convinced.

I love this t.v. outside of this problem. It's so close to perfection that it makes me wanna cry! I think that is why this is so frustrating.

I don't think the LED t.v.'s are any better (the Amazon reviews of the Samsung LEDs are littered with flashlight spottings and I don't think Sony would be any better) or I'd wait for next years Sony models. Other manufacturer's seem to have this problem as well.

thanks
Justin

Originally Posted by Smarty-pants

Good ole Bob Pariseau. When Bob speaks, people listen... at least they should.

Originally Posted by dsskid

He's extremely knowledgable.