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post #181 of 2287
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Originally Posted by fonzthegreat View Post

ok question... im here in the Philippines in this is my TV KLV-40W550A, do you guys think its closer to a xxV5100 or a xx Z5100? so hard to find calibration settings for it... its like a mashup of both

It looks like a w5100
post #182 of 2287
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Originally Posted by rckrz6 View Post

It looks like a w5100

Agreed, it is a "W" series, which is between a "V" and a "Z". It should be very much like a "Z", but with lower dynamic contrast rating.
post #183 of 2287
Last night, I went to Sears to buy a telephone answering/phone combo. I had no intention to buy anything else, but I looked at the TVs anyway.

This TV was on sale for a good price. Then I learned it was Sears Friends & Family night. That meant 5% off, but then I learned there was a 10% Sony sale, plus 10% off with a Sears card. SO THat was 25% off. I could not turn that down. THe tech comments here helped me make the decision.

So here is what I can tell you so far:

It looks great. My only HD source is OTA. Was able to look at the movie METEOR last night on NBC.

THen I ran my DISH Satellite box into the set with the S-Video, as thats all my SD DISH receiver has. I can tell you that I am very pleased with the quality of the SD PQ on the 5100. It looks as good as my 32" tube Sony. I can only hope the BE3 engine produces such a nice picture. SD PQ was my biggest concern.

I see no issues with bezel reflection or screen reflection from the sun/window behind me.

I have not figured out how to make any picture color changes, etc. I am still trying to figure out what is what. Perhaps someone can offer setting suggestions, etc. There are alot of functions to run through to operate the set and make changes.

Audio sounds fine. The Remote is very long and seems heavy to want to fall forward from your hand. I never saw a remote so long, but it does alot. I am able to use my old remote for basic functions just fine.

These are my initial findings. One person can handle the set to put it on its base. Its a nice TV and looks great. I don't do the internet widget stuff, so I can't comment on that.

Is anyone aware of any software changes??
I'll provide more comments when I find other tech facts to comment on.
post #184 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CQCQDX View Post

Last night, I went to Sears to buy a telephone answering/phone combo. I had no intention to buy anything else, but I looked at the TVs anyway.

This TV was on sale for a good price. Then I learned it was Sears Friends & Family night. That meant 5% off, but then I learned there was a 10% Sony sale, plus 10% off with a Sears card. SO THat was 25% off. I could not turn that down. THe tech comments here helped me make the decision.

So here is what I can tell you so far:

It looks great. My only HD source is OTA. Was able to look at the movie METEOR last night on NBC.

THen I ran my DISH Satellite box into the set with the S-Video, as thats all my SD DISH receiver has. I can tell you that I am very pleased with the quality of the SD PQ on the 5100. It looks as good as my 32" tube Sony. I can only hope the BE3 engine produces such a nice picture. SD PQ was my biggest concern.

I see no issues with bezel reflection or screen reflection from the sun/window behind me.

I have not figured out how to make any picture color changes, etc. I am still trying to figure out what is what. Perhaps someone can offer setting suggestions, etc. There are alot of functions to run through to operate the set and make changes.

Audio sounds fine. The Remote is very long and seems heavy to want to fall forward from your hand. I never saw a remote so long, but it does alot. I am able to use my old remote for basic functions just fine.

These are my initial findings. One person can handle the set to put it on its base. Its a nice TV and looks great. I don't do the internet widget stuff, so I can't comment on that.

Is anyone aware of any software changes??
I'll provide more comments when I find other tech facts to comment on.

There has been atleast 1 software update released.

You can update directly on the TV or download to your computer.


http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...mdl=KDL40Z5100

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version aa0089pn) addresses intermittent issues experienced by some customers, including the following:

* The television picture freezes momentarily, then the TV powers off and then on. This may occur shortly after powering on the TV, while viewing programming, changing channels, or using the TV's xross media bar™.
* When changing channels, the TV powers off and the POWER/STANDBY LED flashes red. Pushing the Power button again (only once) restores the TV's function.
* When viewing 1080p formatted signals through the Component (Y/Pb/Pr) Input, a horizontal scratch-like line may appear on the screen.
* Intermittent remote commander response when the TV is first turned on and the backlight is dim.
post #185 of 2287
I have not experienced any software issues, as described above. Since I do not have the TV attached to internet or computer, I am not sure hope one would input in the 29 MEG software file; maybe use a large flash drive. I don't know.


I could use some guidance of picture settings. The OTA PQ is good.
BUT- since I am just using the DISH SD S-video output for now, I see that its a challenge to adjust the PQ with this input. Apparently, each input can be adjusted. Earlier in this thread there a settings that were shared for BlueRay/DVD.
Playing with the settings is becoming the greatest challenge to get the colors right. . Your comments are welcome here or direct to me if possible.
The channel to channel variation is very different too when I change channels on DISH.
Other than that- I have not seen any issues or problems as others have described in this forum. THe set was made in May09 and hopefully with the software fix.
post #186 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CQCQDX View Post

I have not experienced any software issues, as described above. Since I do not have the TV attached to internet or computer, I am not sure hope one would input in the 29 MEG software file; maybe use a large flash drive. I don't know.


I could use some guidance of picture settings. The OTA PQ is good.
BUT- since I am just using the DISH SD S-video output for now, I see that its a challenge to adjust the PQ with this input. Apparently, each input can be adjusted. Earlier in this thread there a settings that were shared for BlueRay/DVD.
Playing with the settings is becoming the greatest challenge to get the colors right. . Your comments are welcome here or direct to me if possible.
The channel to channel variation is very different too when I change channels on DISH.
Other than that- I have not seen any issues or problems as others have described in this forum. THe set was made in May09 and hopefully with the software fix.

Using your HOME button on the remote you can navigate to the Product Support and then to Software Update. Clicking on Software Update, even though you are not connected to the internet, it should tell you which software version is currently on your TV. If it isn't 89, you should arrange to update your software.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=4728&os_id=25
post #187 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

Using your HOME button on the remote you can navigate to the Product Support and then to Software Update. Clicking on Software Update, even though you are not connected to the internet, it should tell you which software version is currently on your TV. If it isn't 89, you should arrange to update your software.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu...=4728&os_id=25

Thanks for the help. I did a Total "RESET", and the PQ was extremely better in the 480 DISH input mode. really nice, so when I go to HD, things will be super. Perhaps a total reset is needed when you first turn on the set out of the box. reset made a big difference, and it was sharper, too.
THe set looks great in the OTA HD mode.

I do see a big difference in the quality of the various channels from DISH. Most are good to very good, a few old movies are poor. To my surprise, the TCM movies, both old & recent, look real nice. So far- this is a really nice HDTV.
post #188 of 2287
what is a total reset
post #189 of 2287
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Originally Posted by rckrz6 View Post

what is a total reset

it's not as mysterious, or drastic, as it sounds. it's just resetting to the factory settings, i.e. to the settings when you first get the set, and before you do any intial set up procedures.

after you do the reset, you start over as if no settings were changed. it doesn't do anything magical, unfortunately.

TVbc
post #190 of 2287
I just purchased a Sony 46" Z5100 and all-in-all I really like it.

But I have encountered a problem with Internet content.

After updating to the latest software version (aa0089pn) via the Internet, I tried to refresh the internet content. It went through the normal "Connect, Authorize, Acquiring Internet Content" but after a minute it returned with the following error:

"Configuration failed while connecting. The system has encountered a serious error. Please Contact Sony directly.<5006>".

Ok, so figuring I had a bad set I decided to exchange rather than go through service (Sony indicated they would send a technician to the house).

The second set was just delivered and I went through the same procedure and ended up with the same result - "serious error". I don't believe the network connection is the problem as it worked for the update download and it is fine for all my other devices. I think I may have used the remote too soon during the update - not sure. But could that cause such a serious problem. I need to decide what to do with the set.

Has anyone seen this problem before?

Thanks
post #191 of 2287
I've never seen this issue before...However, for one set AND a replacement to exhibit the exact same error would lead me to looking into my network. Are you using MAC filtering? Is the set receiving an IP address? Have you tried setting the address statically on the TV?

There are a myriad of items that you would need to check on your side. I really cannot see this happening twice in a row. Sorry that I couldn't be any more help...Will

I just re-read your post. Perhaps the network isn't the issue. However, you really shouldn't disturb anything while it is getting it's firmware updated. Did you do that both times?
post #192 of 2287
I personally do not think something is wrong with your tv. It's the newwess of the internet/network features on these sets. But the use of the 'serious' warning would make anyone concerned.

I personally find that if internet/PC is wanted on a TV, my setiup with a Mac Mini is flawless and unlimited. for a few widgets I can't see the appeal of these TV add-ons.
post #193 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

I've never seen this issue before...However, for one set AND a replacement to exhibit the exact same error would lead me to looking into my network. Are you using MAC filtering? Is the set receiving an IP address? Have you tried setting the address statically on the TV?

There are a myriad of items that you would need to check on your side. I really cannot see this happening twice in a row. Sorry that I couldn't be any more help...Will

I just re-read your post. Perhaps the network isn't the issue. However, you really shouldn't disturb anything while it is getting it's firmware updated. Did you do that both times?

I thought it might be my network connection or a block on some service that it required. I checked and did not see anything obvious. I called Sony thinking that they would guide me through that sort of thing but instead was told that they had to send someone out. And when I talked to the technician on the phone, he indicated they may have to take in. That's when I decided to exchange it.

As for the using the remote both times, I don't remember doing that the first time. (Grasping...)

I really like this TV and the widgets were a nice to have but I would like to see them working. I will probably call Sony again to set up another appointment. I am hoping they can fix on site.
post #194 of 2287
I'm not sure if this is technically "auto dim", but whenever there's a dark scene, it seems like everything darkens. Absolutely no detail in the blacks. If I turn the brightness up all the way I can see some detail, but of course, when it goes back to a bright scene, the whole screen is blasted out. I turned off the auto-backlighting, so it's not that.

Anyone else experience this issue? It happens both on tv and with blu rays. Very irritating since I bought this TV because it seemed to have the most detail in black areas compared to all the other TVs I was looking at.

Also, there seems to be an inordinate amount of red in the picture. I've heard of people talking about "Red Push". At this point to restore normal flesh tones I have to turn the color down to 40 and crank the Hue over to the 20 side of Green. Only this turns all the yellows into a flourescent yellow. It's almost like the TV isn't putting out enough yellow, but of course there's no manual control for yellow. The best I can do is turn down the blue gain and blue bias.
post #195 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Gibscreen View Post

I'm not sure if this is technically "auto dim", but whenever there's a dark scene, it seems like everything darkens. Absolutely no detail in the blacks. If I turn the brightness up all the way I can see some detail, but of course, when it goes back to a bright scene, the whole screen is blasted out. I turned off the auto-backlighting, so it's not that.

Anyone else experience this issue? It happens both on tv and with blu rays. Very irritating since I bought this TV because it seemed to have the most detail in black areas compared to all the other TVs I was looking at.

Also, there seems to be an inordinate amount of red in the picture. I've heard of people talking about "Red Push". At this point to restore normal flesh tones I have to turn the color down to 40 and crank the Hue over to the 20 side of Green. Only this turns all the yellows into a flourescent yellow. It's almost like the TV isn't putting out enough yellow, but of course there's no manual control for yellow. The best I can do is turn down the blue gain and blue bias.

Have you tried adjusting the Black Corrector and Advanced Contrast settings up or down from the Factory settings. If you've messed with these two settings, try going back to the Factory settings.

I've not seen any problem with "red push" with my 52Z5100.

I set my "flesh tones" using a live, OTA, HD broadcast. I'm using factory Standard and Warm 1 and the people on TV all look like the people watching the TV. If you are trying to set flesh tones using movies, good luck. Directors and cinematographers add filters to the scenes they shoot so you are never sure what they intended the scene and flesh color hues to look like. If you want to calibrate your set for movies, use AVIA or DMS (?) to get the color palette optimized. Then, whatever the flesh tones look like in the movie are probably what the movie makers intended.
post #196 of 2287
Hi Folks,

Not sure if this is the correct place to do this post, but I am looking for some info about the z5100 (so I'll hope you'll help me out). I currently have had the samsung for ~ 2weeks and am pretty irritated with the glare. Here is what I have for a set up:

50" tv on wall one wall, on wall to left is 9x6 feet of windows, on the right is a couch, and directly in front of screen is love seat. Watching from love seat is ok. Watching from couch is very irritating because I get the reflection of the windows on the screen and can see outside pretty clearly. I have blinds (light colored) and cannot really do much more to block the light as I am not allowed to. Plus we like the view and prefer to leave them open.

My question is that after reading alot of mixed reviews (lcd vs plasma) I am unsure whether to return my current set for the z5100 52 inch. Am I actually going to have less reflection and a better picture in the day or less reflection and a mediocre picture because of the sun and viewing angle. Also, how bad is standard def? I hear about jaggies and the like...

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Cheers
post #197 of 2287
jekeddy,

I have the 52Z5100 and I have had no issues with reflections at all. When I was out looking at different sets, I noticed that the Samsung's seemed to have a very reflective screen where the Sony's have a matte like finish. The reflectivity of the Sammy's screens seemed unacceptable to me.

Granted, these displays were in a brightly lit showroom but all that could run through my mind is the sun being directly over the skylight in my dinette area (adjacent to the family/media room) and the reflections just driving me bonkers.
I have heard many complaints throughout AVS where people love their Sammy's but hate the reflective nature of the screen.

Personally, I love my Z5100. It has replaced a 60" Sony XBR2 and I completely love it. Other than an XBR8 or a Pioneer Elite Kuro, I wouldn't trade this set for anything else.

I hope this helps. Good day...Will
post #198 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

jekeddy,

I have the 52Z5100 and I have had no issues with reflections at all. When I was out looking at different sets, I noticed that the Samsung's seemed to have a very reflective screen where the Sony's have a matte like finish. The reflectivity of the Sammy's screens seemed unacceptable to me.

Granted, these displays were in a brightly lit showroom but all that could run through my mind is the sun being directly over the skylight in my dinette area (adjacent to the family/media room) and the reflections just driving me bonkers.
I have heard many complaints throughout AVS where people love their Sammy's but hate the reflective nature of the screen.

Personally, I love my Z5100. It has replaced a 60" Sony XBR2 and I completely love it. Other than an XBR8 or a Pioneer Elite Kuro, I wouldn't trade this set for anything else.

I hope this helps. Good day...Will


Thanks Will,

I really appreciate the reply. I was into a number of places last night and the reflection was much less noticeable on the z5100 than the Sammy's. You can add me to the group that loved the pic, but hated the reflections.

As for the SD issue...I'm new to the whole HDTV scene and I've read the CNET review that said the XBR9 (and I'm assuming the z5100) is "average" at SD. This means nothing to me because I do not know what below or above average actually is. I'm certainly not buying the tv for the SD capability, but we'll be watching the occasional show in SD...is it going to be horrible vs watching it on a different tv (CNET mentioned jaggies). My thoughts are that for such an expensive purchase I'd like to be able to watch the SD channels if I absolutely have to. If you/anybody else could offer your experience that'd be great.

Cheers,
jekeddy
post #199 of 2287
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Originally Posted by jekeddy View Post

Thanks Will,

I really appreciate the reply. I was into a number of places last night and the reflection was much less noticeable on the z5100 than the Sammy's. You can add me to the group that loved the pic, but hated the reflections.

As for the SD issue...I'm new to the whole HDTV scene and I've read the CNET review that said the XBR9 (and I'm assuming the z5100) is "average" at SD. This means nothing to me because I do not know what below or above average actually is. I'm certainly not buying the tv for the SD capability, but we'll be watching the occasional show in SD...is it going to be horrible vs watching it on a different tv (CNET mentioned jaggies). My thoughts are that for such an expensive purchase I'd like to be able to watch the SD channels if I absolutely have to. If you/anybody else could offer your experience that'd be great.

Cheers,
jekeddy

Caution, the Z5100 IS NOT reflection-free. There is little glare, but if you have windows that allow sunlight to shine onto the screen, particularly at an angle, those viewing at an equal and opposite angle will see reflections, particularly when there are dark scenes on the screen. The Z5100 is a quantum leap in reduced reflection and glare over the higher end Samsungs with the Ultra Clear Panels, but it is not reflection-free nor is it a true matte screen.

Also, viewing angle is a problem with all LCDs. The Z5100's viewing angle is at best, average. If you are watching the Z5100 from your couch and that puts you at an angle greater than about 35 degrees from straight-on viewing of the set, expect to see some color fade and loss of contrast. Some Samsungs might do a little better, but except for a few Panasonic LCDs that are otherwise not all that great as HDTVs, 45 degrees is about it for effective off-viewing angle without a noticeable loss of contrast and color depth/saturation.

SDTV viewing with the Z5100 is dependent on the input source and the video provided. Most SD via OTA DTV or DBS will be reasonably sharp, while some cable sources might really look bad. Regardless of the input, if the station doesn't provide high quality, preferably digitized, SD video, then you will see a fuzzy picture. Samsungs generally do a better job of cleaning up such poor quality video, but the problem is the source. If the source is feeding the same crap video they were putting out to 27" CRT TVs over 6 years ago, then on a large LCD HDTV it will not look very good. However, why would someone watch such crap when they have a nice HDTV.
post #200 of 2287
Hello owners,

I apologize if this question is not in the correct forum. If I purchase the KDL-52Z5100 I would like to connect the TV to both cable and an outside antenna using an A/B RF transfer switch. Can the TV memorize the cable channels when I do the channel setup in cable mode and then memorize the antenna channels when I do the channel setup in antenna mode? Or will the previous channel list be overwritten when I do the second scan?

This is important because I do not want to rescan the channels everytime I switch from cable to antenna. I have received mixed answers from Sony. The live Sony chat told me I would need to rescan the channels everytime I switched the RF input. A telephone call to Sony told me that the TV would memorize both channel lists. Since you are owners, you should be able to give me a correct answer.
post #201 of 2287
I want to play my avi, mkv, mpg files which are on my computer on the Z5100. Can I connect my PC via Ethernet to the Z5100 and play the above mentioned files? And I also have seperate subtitle files (.srt) for the video files. Will the Z5100 recognize the subtitle files and display them.

Thanks in advance.
post #202 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dweber View Post

Hello owners,

I apologize if this question is not in the correct forum. If I purchase the KDL-52Z5100 I would like to connect the TV to both cable and an outside antenna using an A/B RF transfer switch. Can the TV memorize the cable channels when I do the channel setup in cable mode and then memorize the antenna channels when I do the channel setup in antenna mode?

dweber,

Since the Z has three separate tuners (NTSC for analog broadcast, ATSC for digital and QAM for cable) I would surmise that there would be separate memory locations for each. I cannot say for sure, though. Perhaps someone who uses both the ATSC and QAM tuners would know. I take it you are not using a cable box? That would eliminate a lot of issues. I for one would go crazy if I had to manually switch an RF switch!

Sorry that I couldn't be of any more assistance...Will
post #203 of 2287
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Originally Posted by blade2008 View Post

I want to play my avi, mkv, mpg files which are on my computer on the Z5100. Can I connect my PC via Ethernet to the Z5100 and play the above mentioned files? And I also have seperate subtitle files (.srt) for the video files. Will the Z5100 recognize the subtitle files and display them.

Thanks in advance.

Blade2008,

The Bravia Link system can only accept mpeg files. And the video quality streaming from a local device is actually worse looking than the Internet streaming from Youtube, Yahoo, etc. As far as it accepting srt files, since it stinks so bad as a DLNA compliant rendering device as it is, I highly doubt that it would know what to do with the file.

Do you not have any type of media renderer? A PS3, XBox, Dlink DSM model? That is the only way to fly. Personally, I have four separate devices in the house. On my Z, I use a PS3, which links up with PS3 MediaServer, Playon, TVersity and Vuze. I get so much content that I canceled my satellite service three months ago. Between my 3 TB NAS, Hulu and a myriad of other content providers plus OTA HD television supply everything I need.

I know for a fact the PS3 MediaServer can digest and spit out srt files without a hitch and the PS3 is not the only device that it supports. (un-officially)

The only advantage I have found to having an Ethernet port on the television is for firmware updates. The way Sony is presenting streaming video is giving the practice a bad name.

Some of the stuff out there is as good as high quality DVD.
post #204 of 2287
KDL-46Z5100 or Samsung LN46B750?

I watch mostly live sports and blu rays while occasionally playing FIFA soccer and Street Fighter IV on my PS3.

I'd like your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
post #205 of 2287
AKHAT3,

Well...You are in a Sony thread! Just glancing at the spec sheet for this device and it seems on a lot of levels to have the same feature set. The dynamic contrast is 150K compared to the Z's 100K. I'm just not a fan of Samsungs. Their 'clear view' (or whatever it's called) screen is just too reflective for me.

You cannot deny Samsung's dominance in the LCD world right now. Fine members of this forum and many professional reviewers love what they have to offer. This particular set MSRPs for quite a few hundred less than equal Sony's.

If given a choice between the two, I cannot say it would get very strong consideration. However, I am a big fan of the 52Z5100. I've had it for about 6 weeks now and there is not a thing about it that I don't like. Well, with the exception that it seems every CE manufacturer seems to gravitate towards high gloss, piano black, fingerprint, dust and smudge magnet chassis or parts thereof.

If I were you, I would head over to your favorite brick and mortar CE store with two or three reference Blu-Rays that you are very familiar with, along with a pad and pencil. Ask for 1/2 hour to be undisturbed, ask for the remotes with the promise you will change the settings back to where they started. Write down their settings from the two sets, throw in your first disk and start some impromptu tweaks of your liking. Whichever one you like most, buy it.

You can accomplish a more thorough comparison by purchasing from a store with a very liberal return policy. That way, you have more time and you will see the TV in YOUR environment. Rinse and repeat...Will
post #206 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

AKHAT3,

Well...You are in a Sony thread! Just glancing at the spec sheet for this device and it seems on a lot of levels to have the same feature set. The dynamic contrast is 150K compared to the Z's 100K. I'm just not a fan of Samsungs. Their 'clear view' (or whatever it's called) screen is just too reflective for me.

You cannot deny Samsung's dominance in the LCD world right now. Fine members of this forum and many professional reviewers love what they have to offer. This particular set MSRPs for quite a few hundred less than equal Sony's.

If given a choice between the two, I cannot say it would get very strong consideration. However, I am a big fan of the 52Z5100. I've had it for about 6 weeks now and there is not a thing about it that I don't like. Well, with the exception that it seems every CE manufacturer seems to gravitate towards high gloss, piano black, fingerprint, dust and smudge magnet chassis or parts thereof.

If I were you, I would head over to your favorite brick and mortar CE store with two or three reference Blu-Rays that you are very familiar with, along with a pad and pencil. Ask for 1/2 hour to be undisturbed, ask for the remotes with the promise you will change the settings back to where they started. Write down their settings from the two sets, throw in your first disk and start some impromptu tweaks of your liking. Whichever one you like most, buy it.

You can accomplish a more thorough comparison by purchasing from a store with a very liberal return policy. That way, you have more time and you will see the TV in YOUR environment. Rinse and repeat...Will


Thanks for the reply, very objective reply I might add. I realize that I was posting in a Sony thread but I figured that I would do it anyways.....afterall, who better to get opinions on the tv than from owners.

The Ultra Clear Panel is not a problem for my lighting conditions so I get minimal to no reflection. I have the B750 right now, but am considering trading it in for the Sony. I'm definitely going to do my due diligence and make a decision soon.........thanks again for the reply.
post #207 of 2287
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Originally Posted by AKHAT3 View Post

Thanks for the reply, very objective reply I might add. I realize that I was posting in a Sony thread but I figured that I would do it anyways.....afterall, who better to get opinions on the tv than from owners.

The Ultra Clear Panel is not a problem for my lighting conditions so I get minimal to no reflection. I have the B750 right now, but am considering trading it in for the Sony. I'm definitely going to do my due diligence and make a decision soon.........thanks again for the reply.

If screen reflectivity and glare aren't an issue, then the B750 has some technical advantages and there are differences that may be a matter of taste in video presentation. The Samsung will do a better job overall with SDTV, particularly the poor quality stuff that many cable channels and some local, small-time operations run. Samsung spent a lot of R&D money over the past few years improving the technology for "cleaning up" crappy SD video. That isn't important to me because I like to watch HD and high quality SD, not crappy SD. Note that even NASA cleaned up the moon landing video so people could enjoy it. Unfortunately, many cable channels will show "MASH" episodes in their original form rather than digitally re-mastering them or renting/purchasing a digitally re-master copy. Why would I want to watch such channels?

As already noted, the Samsung has an advantage in advertised dynamic contrast ratio, but because there really isn't an industry standard for measuring that, one may not perceive a difference in that regard. The B750 also has User controls to adjust or cancel certain aspects of Auto Motion Plus (AMP), which Sony doesn't provide with MotionFlow (MF just has a Normal and a High setting).

Finally, the Samsung has a different look to video, especially HD. Some like it better, some like the Sony look. The Samsung, probably because of the reflective, glassy, screen has more "pop" to its video that many Samsung lovers rave about. However, after watching it for hours, it can become tiring and tend to look somewhat artificial. The Sony, OTOH, presents HD like looking through a picture window. Live sports have much more of a "I'm there" feel with the Sony. Secondly, the color hue and saturation on the Samsung tends to look more dynamic, but again, after a while it seems artificial and not very life-like. OTOH, the Sony presents colors in hue and saturation that seem more like what you see when you look out your window (i.e., the grass in front of your house looks more like the grass on a Sony than the blazing green grass you see on a Samsung). These are differences that are more a matter of taste than any technological superiority for either set.

If you mainly watch BD movies, then those video differences aren't much of an issue, but with live HD, there is considerable difference and you need to decide for yourself which one you like. I'm a happy 52Z5100 owner because the 52B750, which I liked, just would never work in our family room due to reflectivity and glare. I compared the B750 to the Z5100 in side-by-side viewing of an HD video loop at Ultimate Electronics HQ store. The wife and I thought the HD PQ was essentially equal, thus we found a non-glossy equivalent to the B750 in the Z5100 and bought it (from Amazon BTW). Last I checked, the price of the 52B750 and the 52Z5100 were about the same at Amazon (i.e., under $2K), so any price differential has essentially disappeared.
post #208 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

If screen reflectivity and glare aren't an issue, then the B750 has some technical advantages and there are differences that may be a matter of taste in video presentation. The Samsung will do a better job overall with SDTV, particularly the poor quality stuff that many cable channels and some local, small-time operations run. Samsung spent a lot of R&D money over the past few years improving the technology for "cleaning up" crappy SD video. That isn't important to me because I like to watch HD and high quality SD, not crappy SD. Note that even NASA cleaned up the moon landing video so people could enjoy it. Unfortunately, many cable channels will show "MASH" episodes in their original form rather than digitally re-mastering them or renting/purchasing a digitally re-master copy. Why would I want to watch such channels?

As already noted, the Samsung has an advantage in advertised dynamic contrast ratio, but because there really isn't an industry standard for measuring that, one may not perceive a difference in that regard. The B750 also has User controls to adjust or cancel certain aspects of Auto Motion Plus (AMP), which Sony doesn't provide with MotionFlow (MF just has a Normal and a High setting).

Finally, the Samsung has a different look to video, especially HD. Some like it better, some like the Sony look. The Samsung, probably because of the reflective, glassy, screen has more "pop" to its video that many Samsung lovers rave about. However, after watching it for hours, it can become tiring and tend to look somewhat artificial. The Sony, OTOH, presents HD like looking through a picture window. Live sports have much more of a "I'm there" feel with the Sony. Secondly, the color hue and saturation on the Samsung tends to look more dynamic, but again, after a while it seems artificial and not very life-like. OTOH, the Sony presents colors in hue and saturation that seem more like what you see when you look out your window (i.e., the grass in front of your house looks more like the grass on a Sony than the blazing green grass you see on a Samsung). These are differences that are more a matter of taste than any technological superiority for either set.

If you mainly watch BD movies, then those video differences aren't much of an issue, but with live HD, there is considerable difference and you need to decide for yourself which one you like. I'm a happy 52Z5100 owner because the 52B750, which I liked, just would never work in our family room due to reflectivity and glare. I compared the B750 to the Z5100 in side-by-side viewing of an HD video loop at Ultimate Electronics HQ store. The wife and I thought the HD PQ was essentially equal, thus we found a non-glossy equivalent to the B750 in the Z5100 and bought it (from Amazon BTW). Last I checked, the price of the 52B750 and the 52Z5100 were about the same at Amazon (i.e., under $2K), so any price differential has essentially disappeared.


Thanks, great breakdown and closer to what I was looking for. I'm happy with my Samsung, but a Sony is a Sony........I used to have a 46V2500 and the PQ on that was really nice and really liked Sony tv's since. I can imagine what the higher end models look like. Again, Im happy with my B750 but was having a little "remorse" that I didn't fully investigate the Z5100 fully before purchasing. I got my B750 from Amazon also.........if I did indeed have a change of heart.......would Amazon do the exchange? I ordered it on July 26 and it arrived yesterday so I'm well within the 30 days.
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Originally Posted by AKHAT3 View Post

Thanks, great breakdown and closer to what I was looking for. I'm happy with my Samsung, but a Sony is a Sony........I used to have a 46V2500 and the PQ on that was really nice and really liked Sony tv's since. I can imagine what the higher end models look like. Again, Im happy with my B750 but was having a little "remorse" that I didn't fully investigate the Z5100 fully before purchasing. I got my B750 from Amazon also.........if I did indeed have a change of heart.......would Amazon do the exchange? I ordered it on July 26 and it arrived yesterday so I'm well within the 30 days.

I think you have a good chance of Amazon making an exchange. Just tell them you are really disappointed with the PQ on the Samsung and would like to have the Sony instead.

But, go check them both out side-by-side in a good B&M store before you make that decision. For you, I think it will boil down to personal preference in video viewing, so be sure you know which video presentation you like better.
post #210 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

I think you have a good chance of Amazon making an exchange. Just tell them you are really disappointed with the PQ on the Samsung and would like to have the Sony instead.

But, go check them both out side-by-side in a good B&M store before you make that decision. For you, I think it will boil down to personal preference in video viewing, so be sure you know which video presentation you like better.


Certainly will...........Im heading to Best Buy after work today to do exactly that (with a copy of Dark Knight blu ray in hand)

Thanks again
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