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Finally hooked up Netflix via a poweline ethernet adapter.
post #1802 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Finally hooked up Netflix via a poweline ethernet adapter.

Do those really work?... as good as a dedicated ethernet line?
post #1803 of 2287
My impression with those is, they are somewhere mid point between WIFI and wired connection...
post #1804 of 2287
nice... yeah i know about LCD technology and angle view .. clouding its kinda going away after actually massaging the tv with a soft cloth . Only minimal clouding now but the angle view still poor compared with other competitors using same panels .My settings are

Picture Mode .........................Custom
Scene ..................................Auto
Screen Aspect .......................Full, with "Full Pixel"
Backlight ..............................4
Picture .................................85
Brightness ............................50
Color ...................................40
Hue .....................................0
Color Temperature .................Warm 2
Sharpness ............................10
Noise Reduction ....................Off
MPEG Noise Reduction ............Off
MotionFlow ..........................Off
CineMotion ...........................Off

ADVANCED SECTION

Black Corrector .....................Off
ACE ....................................Off
Gamma ................................0
Auto Light Limiter ..................Off
Clear White ..........................Off

WHITE BALANCE

Red Gain .............................0
Green Gain ..........................0
Blue Gain .............................0
Red Bias...............................0
Green Bias ...........................0
Blue Bias ..............................0
post #1805 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Do those really work?... as good as a dedicated ethernet line?

Yup, it works. Some movies however, pause, and I'm not sure if it;s a Netflix thing, or a connection thing.
post #1806 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Yup, it works. Some movies however, pause, and I'm not sure if it;s a Netflix thing, or a connection thing.

Hmmm... I have a pretty fast hardwired connecting to my Z. Haven't watched a ton of Netflix streaming, maybe 10-12 movies.
No problem with pausing or rebuffering yet.
post #1807 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Hmmm... I have a pretty fast hardwired connecting to my Z. Haven't watched a ton of Netflix streaming, maybe 10-12 movies.
No problem with pausing or rebuffering yet.

Whats speeds do you need? My cable is giving me 5MPS downloads.
post #1808 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Whats speeds do you need? My cable is giving me 5MPS downloads.

I could have sworn I saw what the minimum speed needed was to watch HD streaming on the Netflix site, but I couldn't find it with a quick look.
post #1809 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Whats speeds do you need? My cable is giving me 5MPS downloads.

Don't have the link handy, but months ago I posted in this thread that Sony noted 10 Mbs for streaming on-line video to their BD players. Comcast allegedly provides me 12 Mbs, but I've never seen more than 9 Mbs when I've run speed tests on my hardwired Mac, which can handle Gigabit Ethernet. Nothing in my hardwired system is rated less than 100 Mbs (all Cat 5e or Cat 6 cabling).

Anyway, those factors have deterred me from signing up for Netflix as pauses and stalls plus less than HD quality video would not pass the WAF. In addition, the chief of household decorating wants the visible Ethernet cable removed and replaced with WiFi, which will further degrade transmissions, even if I upgrade the system router from series G to N.

Anyone here have good Netflix streaming results with a Comcast connection over a WiFi series "N" connection?
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So is Sony, through supporting this TV ? No new Firmware since Jan. thats one of the things I hate about Sony they just move like everyones going to buy a new TV every year. Not very consumer friendly.
post #1811 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

Don't have the link handy, but months ago I posted in this thread that Sony noted 10 Mbs for streaming on-line video to their BD players. Comcast allegedly provides me 12 Mbs, but I've never seen more than 9 Mbs when I've run speed tests on my hardwired Mac, which can handle Gigabit Ethernet. Nothing in my hardwired system is rated less than 100 Mbs (all Cat 5e or Cat 6 cabling).

Anyway, those factors have deterred me from signing up for Netflix as pauses and stalls plus less than HD quality video would not pass the WAF. In addition, the chief of household decorating wants the visible Ethernet cable removed and replaced with WiFi, which will further degrade transmissions, even if I upgrade the system router from series G to N.

Anyone here have good Netflix streaming results with a Comcast connection over a WiFi series "N" connection?

CEB II,
I saw it in the manual, 10 MPbs recommended. Thanks.
post #1812 of 2287
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Originally Posted by tightclaws View Post

So is Sony, through supporting this TV ? No new Firmware since Jan. thats one of the things I hate about Sony they just move like everyones going to buy a new TV every year. Not very consumer friendly.

Hi Tightclaws.
Is there a specific problem, (other than flashlighting that can't be fixed via firmware) that still needs to be addressed?

Mine is working great.

-Best,
John
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Same here, John.

Is there a particular widget or feature you are looking for perhaps, tightclaws?

AFAIK, Sony is one of the few companies that is quite expedient with firmware updates. Also, if memory serves, they have already put out 7 or 8 since the unit hit the stores, not even a year ago.

In other forums, I see people screaming that they have never gotten an update for their hardware, ever...Will
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Same here, John.

Is there a particular widget or feature you are looking for perhaps, tightclaws?

AFAIK, Sony is one of the few companies that is quite expedient with firmware updates. Also, if memory serves, they have already put out 7 or 8 since the unit hit the stores, not even a year ago.

In other forums, I see people screaming that they have never gotten an update for their hardware, ever...Will

Good points Will and Dss, I was hoping for more streaming apps. I wish we could choose stuff we wanted off the net. I love the set overall best picture I have ever owned on a set. Really I'm happy, I just think the streaming is not as functional as it could be.
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Originally Posted by tightclaws View Post

Good points Will and Dss, I was hoping for more streaming apps. I wish we could choose stuff we wanted off the net. I love the set overall best picture I have ever owned on a set. Really I'm happy, I just think the streaming is not as functional as it could be.

Since I just hooked it up to the internet on Saturday, I'm still tryig to get my hands around the ones we already have, lol. Computers aren't my expertise.

Tightclaws, have you with Sony? Might be a simple firmware to increase the number of widgets, but if noone asks, they probably won't know that their consumers would like more.

Still trying to get HD Netflix streaming not to pause while watching a movie. I checked my download speed, and it's slightly higher than 5 MPS, and I'm thinking CEB was correct in that it's not enough for HD streaming through the Bravia, and I need closer to 10 MPS. So I called Cablevision. The rep checked what he could on his end, and said that it might be my modem, and I'm welcome to swapping out to see if it increases the speed. They offered to send someone, but my schedule isn't condusive to making an appointment with them, so I'll probably drop by their store on Thursday.

Problem is, If I get Netflix to stop pausing, it will be somewhat bittersweet.

The Sony is the only TV hooked up to streaming, since my older Panasonic, their flat screens, and the three BD players don't have streaming capability, my daughters will be wanting to take over my room

I think I'm opening Pandora's box.

-Best,
John
post #1816 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Same here, John.

Is there a particular widget or feature you are looking for perhaps, tightclaws?

AFAIK, Sony is one of the few companies that is quite expedient with firmware updates. Also, if memory serves, they have already put out 7 or 8 since the unit hit the stores, not even a year ago.

In other forums, I see people screaming that they have never gotten an update for their hardware, ever...Will

Hey Will,
How's the place coming along?
Glad to see you've been spending a little more time here. Your expertise is appreciated.

-Best,
John
post #1817 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Still trying to get HD Netflix streaming not to pause while watching a movie. I checked my download speed, and it's slightly higher than 5 MPS, and I'm thinking CEB was correct in that it's not enough for HD streaming through the Bravia, and I need closer to 10 MPS. So I called Cablevision. The rep checked what he could on his end, and said that it might be my modem, and I'm welcome to swapping out to see if it increases the speed. They offered to send someone, but my schedule isn't condusive to making an appointment with them, so I'll probably drop by their store on Thursday.

John

A given cable modem can make a significant difference in download speed. The units Comcast tries to rent me are much slower than the current model Motorola Surfboard units I've purchased on Amazon. The affect of the given cable modem can be 10 to 20% of best speed.
post #1818 of 2287
Got back from a week in a mountain condo late Saturday. After a week of watching TV on a 27" CRT, which seemed like it had a good picture (digital cable), the WOW factor was really back when we started watching our Z5100 again. It's easy to become complacent about the PQ of the Sony after watching it for a while, but our recent experience reminded us how far we've come. We get a similar contrast, though not as dramatic, when we spend time watching our old Sammy RP-DLP (2003 model) in our basement.
post #1819 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

A given cable modem can make a significant difference in download speed. The units Comcast tries to rent me are much slower than the current model Motorola Surfboard units I've purchased on Amazon. The affect of the given cable modem can be 10 to 20% of best speed.

Thanks again for the reassurance, CEB. I'm hoping that this is indeed the case.
Rather than run 100 ft of cat 5, or utilizing wireless, I'm utilizing a sling media turbo 1-port ethernet powerline adapter, that is rated at 85 MPbs, so I wouldn't think that would be the weak link.
John
post #1820 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

Got back from a week in a mountain condo late Saturday. After a week of watching TV on a 27" CRT, which seemed like it had a good picture (digital cable), the WOW factor was really back when we started watching our Z5100 again. It's easy to become complacent about the PQ of the Sony after watching it for a while, but our recent experience reminded us how far we've come. We get a similar contrast, though not as dramatic, when we spend time watching our old Sammy RP-DLP (2003 model) in our basement.

I hear ya, the Z5100 delivers an excellent picture. I'm very happy with this purchase.
post #1821 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

CEB II,
I saw it in the manual, 10 MPS recommended. Thanks.

10mb download speed or bandwidth? if you have 10mb bandwidth your download speed it will be around 1.2 mb/s
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Originally Posted by cristian_ro View Post

10mb download speed or bandwidth? if you have 10mb bandwidth your download speed it will be around 1.2 mb/s

Pg 32 of the manual says Mpbs
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Pg 32 of the manual says Mpbs

If you want to know your download speed... that is, assuming it's the same connections for your tv as it is for your pc...
just go HERE and click on the location nearest you... NY in your case.
post #1824 of 2287
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Originally Posted by cristian_ro View Post

Only minimal clouding now but the angle view still poor compared with other competitors using same panels .My settings are

Sorry...I just noticed your reply to my post. OK...1st, do you have a calibration disc to set contrast, brightness and gamma to your ambient light/wall, color conditions, etc? This is definitely a must have.

Next, barring having a colorometer, I would recommend looking at some of the other members white balance settings. Then season to taste. Everything else seems OK, to my eyes. Depending on your lighting/taste your backlight might be a notch high considering your contrast and brightness settings, IMO. But this can be very subjective, considering not seeing your set with all of the factors that effect black levels and peak white.

Let us know if you have a cal disc...Will
post #1825 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Hey Will,
How's the place coming along?
Glad to see you've been spending a little more time here. Your expertise is appreciated.

-Best,
John

John,

Well...The house is still "A Work in Progress", as Neil Peart would say. At least all of the boxes are empty! I still have a small pile in the corner of my office that my wife is not happy about. Landscaping? Oh, God. What a PITA!

Always glad to be here!

I just noticed the Netflix bandwidth conversation you guys are having. I'll go through it and see if I can toss in my .02. Take care, Will
post #1826 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

The Sony is the only TV hooked up to streaming, since my older Panasonic, their flat screens, and the three BD players don't have streaming capability, my daughters will be wanting to take over my room

I think I'm opening Pandora's box.

-Best,
John

Your last sentence sums this all up unfortunately, John. Powerline adapters, according to many reviews I have read, still rank third behind hardline and even Wi-Fi. One of the biggest factors is that your bandwidth decreases, when you have greater lengths of electrical wiring between the endpoint and the router.

The only real way to be sure is to run bandwidth tests from each endpoint. CEB II summed it up well with his posts. You're going to need 3.5 to 4.5 mbps for 480p and greater than 10 mbps for true 1080i and 720p. Netflix states that 5 mbps will allow you to receive their 720p stream.

Don't hate me guys, but I have 30-35 mbps at my router and I stream to anywhere from 1-6 devices. Whenever 2 devices are rendering HD content and a third device is used, my speed to the cloud gets pushed to the limit, on occasions.

However, Netflix is supposed to throttle your speed accordingly, which unfortunately decreases resolution, and in worst case situations, this creates buffering issues, which lead to the pausing.

This is why I always recommend to anyone who wants to stream HD to any device, should use hardwired 100 mbps or Gigabit (where it can be used).

I hope I didn't muddy up the water, here.

If you can get a laptop over to where your Bravia's powerline adapter is and do a speed test, that would be the best way to be certain. Please note that there is a lot of confusion over mbps (mega bits) and Mbps (mega bytes) per second. Broadband providers and networking equipment manufacturers always use mega bits...I suppose because it sounds faster.

Oh...I just wanted to add something. The Penguins now have home ice for the second round!
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Don't hate me guys, but I have 30-35 mbps at my router and I stream to anywhere from 1-6 devices. Whenever 2 devices are rendering HD content and a third device is used, my speed to the cloud gets pushed to the limit, on occasions.

Holy Crap Will! How the heck do you get those speeds to your house? I only have experience with Comcast, and they top out at 12Mbps I believe...

And I'm hoping my Sharks won't make another quick exit from the playoffs. At least they made it to round 2!
Chris
post #1828 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

If you want to know your download speed... that is, assuming it's the same connections for your tv as it is for your pc...
just go HERE and click on the location nearest you... NY in your case.

Thanks Dave. I'll have to check this out at the other end of the Powerline ethernet adapter to see what I'm getting.
P.S., I noticed that if I click on a NJ location, I get faster speeds (on my main PC), why is that, and can I connect to it for all my computer needs?
John
post #1829 of 2287
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

John,

Well...The house is still "A Work in Progress", as Neil Peart would say. At least all of the boxes are empty! I still have a small pile in the corner of my office that my wife is not happy about. Landscaping? Oh, God. What a PITA!

Always glad to be here!

I just noticed the Netflix bandwidth conversation you guys are having. I'll go through it and see if I can toss in my .02. Take care, Will

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Your last sentence sums this all up unfortunately, John. Powerline adapters, according to many reviews I have read, still rank third behind hardline and even Wi-Fi. One of the biggest factors is that your bandwidth decreases, when you have greater lengths of electrical wiring between the endpoint and the router.

The only real way to be sure is to run bandwidth tests from each endpoint. CEB II summed it up well with his posts. You're going to need 3.5 to 4.5 mbps for 480p and greater than 10 mbps for 1080i and 720p. Don't hate me guys, but I have 30-35 mbps at my router and I stream to anywhere from 1-6 devices. Whenever 2 devices are rendering HD content and a third device is used, my speed to the cloud gets pushed to the limit, on occasions.

However, Netflix is supposed to throttle your speed accordingly, which unfortunately decreases resolution, and in worst case situations, this creates buffering issues, which lead to the pausing.

This is why I always recommend to anyone who wants to stream HD to any device, should use hardwired 100 mbps or Gigabit (where it can be used).

I hope I didn't muddy up the water, here.

If you can get a laptop over to where your Bravia's powerline adapter is and do a speed test, that would be the best way to be certain. Please note that there is a lot of confusion over mbps (mega bits) and Mbps (mega bytes) per second. Broadband providers and networking equipment manufacturers always use mega bits...I suppose because it sounds faster.

Oh...I just wanted to add something. The Penguins now have home ice for the second round!

Yeah, all this computer stuff makes my head spin, but I'm getting an education in the process. Thank you Will.

I changed out my modem last night, and I'm now getting 7 mps to my PC. Briefly ran some Netflix content, and didn't notice freezing, but only watched 10 mins. This weekend, I'll hookup my lapstop to the Sling Media powerlins to see what I'm getting on the other end. Cablevision offers higher speed (boost), but not sure the wife will go for it, as we already pay $200 for internet, phone and TV (How did this happen?).

I wife didn't even want me to spend the $11 month for Netflix. She likes reality shows, I like movies, and if I rent 2 movies a month, I break even. I don't like the 28 day wait for new releases though, so we'll see if the new modem helps. If not, I'll probably cancel my Netflix trial, and check out Blockbuster online for rentals.

I did solve the losing my hide-away room to my daughter problem. She uses a 32" Sharp LCD as her TV and computer monitor in her room, so I installed the Netflix program on her computer, so she now has access to the movies on her TV.

I would love to cut the cable cord completely, but I'd miss hockey and baseball. First I need to save some $$ so that I can set up a media center modeled after yours. Hell, I still have PS1, & Ninetendo 64 hooked up. lol.

Good luck to your Penguins, they have a powerhouse team.

-Best
John
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Originally Posted by CSonntag View Post

Holy Crap Will! How the heck do you get those speeds to your house? I only have experience with Comcast, and they top out at 12Mbps I believe...

And I'm hoping my Sharks won't make another quick exit from the playoffs. At least they made it to round 2!
Chris

I envy Will's setup. He's the man.

Chris, good luck to your Sharks as well.

-Best,
John
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