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post #961 of 2287
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Originally Posted by castaban View Post

Sorry, of course if you calibrated the set it would not make any difference HD or SD, it would improve PQ

Now I just wish one of our trusty z5100 owners here would get their set ISF calibrated so we could all benefit from the settings (at least as a starting point). Maybe we should all chip in a few bucks and get Will's set calibrated for him!
post #962 of 2287
Just wondering if anyone here can point me in the right direction, im looking at purchasing the KDL52Z5100 and it will primarily be used for gaming, blu-rays, and HD programming. Thanks for any advice.
post #963 of 2287
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Originally Posted by SCEvan View Post

Just wondering if anyone here can point me in the right direction, im looking at purchasing the KDL52Z5100 and it will primarily be used for gaming, blu-rays, and HD programming. Thanks for any advice.

I'm in the same boat... actually I'm down to 2 choices...

Sony KDL52Z5100 or Samsung LN52B610

Samsung deal being $250 cheaper... What would you buy?
post #964 of 2287
While hooking up my Harmony adapter for the ps3 this morning I noticed my 52Z2100 has what appears to be a single stuck red pixel about 2/3 towards the middle left of screen. I've tried to gently massage it back to life, and have the tv on now to see if warming up for a few hours will rectify it. It's not really noticeable from our viewing distance (approx 10ft), but i'm worried it might be a pre-cursor to other pixels going bad. I have about a week left on the BB return window and debating whether or not to exchange it.

thoughts?

-m
post #965 of 2287
Having pixels stuck on is pretty rare these days; thought they were designing lcd to do dead instead, which is less bothersome. It could correct itself w/ time.
post #966 of 2287
Merry Christmas everyone! Hope everyone is enjoying their Z's this morning!
post #967 of 2287
Upon closer inspection here is what appears to be the problem...

On light backgrounds, one pixel is showing red/magenta in upper-left 3/4 of that pixel, while the lower right corner is darker. On a black background the lower right part of this pixel is light (white-ish, slight cyan tint) and rest of pixel is dark. Is this normal for a "stuck" pixel?

-m



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Originally Posted by dekruyter View Post

Having pixels stuck on is pretty rare these days; thought they were designing lcd to do dead instead, which is less bothersome. It could correct itself w/ time.

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Originally Posted by spiderhole View Post

While hooking up my Harmony adapter for the ps3 this morning I noticed my 52Z2100 has what appears to be a single stuck red pixel about 2/3 towards the middle left of screen. I've tried to gently massage it back to life, and have the tv on now to see if warming up for a few hours will rectify it. It's not really noticeable from our viewing distance (approx 10ft), but i'm worried it might be a pre-cursor to other pixels going bad. I have about a week left on the BB return window and debating whether or not to exchange it.

thoughts?

-m
post #968 of 2287
148 f/w update?
Did anybody have success downloading this and updated?

TV says nothing available. When I go to esupport site, it says 148 is available, but when I try to download file cannot be found. It has been like that for a while, at least a week? Anybody have similar problems?
post #969 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CEB II View Post

SD PQ on the Z5100 is very source dependent and there isn't a lot you can do to improve it. If the SD source is cr@p, as it apparently is in your case, then it will look like cr@p on a large screen Z5100. The first requirement for decent SD PQ is that the input is digital and not analog (i.e., satellite TV or digital cable w/ digital and not analog channels). Analog cable channels will never look good. The second requirement is that the cable channel is doing its best to provide a high quality 480i broadcast, best if digitally re-mastered.

Last night I watched a movie on AMC (an SD channel in my Dish Network programming) on my 52Z5100 and the SD PQ was really quite good; definitely more than adequate. I don't have any special settings for improving SD PQ. However, some other SD channels on my Dish system do look like cr@p because the broadcaster, not Dish, is transmitting garbage.

Could you set up the old 27" tube along side the Z5100 for watching cr@ppy SD and leave the Z5100 available for enjoying the beauty of HDTV?

It's a Motorola 3416 I Digital PVR terminal Motorola. Unfortunately I am with Shaw Cable in Canada which compresses the signal to heck. While I could set up the old tube I'd rather not. My goal is to try and keep the TV. Dad watches WWE in HD and that's it. They both watch programmes from India on ATN and the other Indian channels that are re-broadcast here. I could be wrong but I don't think India ha HD at this point. I would guess that 99%+ of homes that have TV's don't have anything but tube.
post #970 of 2287
FWIW have had a 52 inch for a few days and knock on wood I'm happy and then some. Considered a samsung at one point but thought the reflective thing might come into play at some point, plus I have always had good luck
(again more wood) with Sony.
One question for the thread if anybody is downloading netflix movies in HD are you getting a tiny screen?
Can someone tell me how to make the screen bigger?
post #971 of 2287
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Originally Posted by castaban View Post

148 f/w update?
Did anybody have success downloading this and updated?

TV says nothing available. When I go to esupport site, it says 148 is available, but when I try to download file cannot be found. It has been like that for a while, at least a week? Anybody have similar problems?

What version do you currently have? There was some discussion on this a few weeks ago and it seemed that 146 was pushed to the TVs about the same time 148 showed up on the website. People surmised that they might actually be the same updates. I have 146 on mine and 148 definitely doesn't show up for me.
post #972 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dogman07 View Post

FWIW have had a 52 inch for a few days and knock on wood I'm happy and then some. Considered a samsung at one point but thought the reflective thing might come into play at some point, plus I have always had good luck
(again more wood) with Sony.
One question for the thread if anybody is downloading netflix movies in HD are you getting a tiny screen?
Can someone tell me how to make the screen bigger?

I asked the same question a while ago about Netflix.
Apparently you need to use the arrow keys on the remote.
post #973 of 2287
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Originally Posted by mpemulis View Post

What version do you currently have? There was some discussion on this a few weeks ago and it seemed that 146 was pushed to the TVs about the same time 148 showed up on the website. People surmised that they might actually be the same updates. I have 146 on mine and 148 definitely doesn't show up for me.

I have 146... That maybe true, but unlikely. The problem is, when I go to the esupport website with my PC, it shows 148 is available, but it cannot be downloaded even to the PC, the file simply does not even exist. No F/W can be downloaded to the PC, 146 or 148. This definitely looks like a sever problem at Sony site
post #974 of 2287
30+ minutes of JScreenFix and no luck. Afraid to do more than the most gentle of pixel massage since it's new and I don't want to make things worse.

I talked to bb and they said as long as I come into the store before my exchange window has passed (Dec 30th) they will arrange and in-home exchange. I've been watching the tv for the last few days and truth be told I cannot really see it at viewing distance. Part of me feels that I should go ahead and get it swapped out since it's brand new and should work perfectly...but another part of me wonders if it's worth the hassle. Also, who knows what could be wrong with the 2nd set.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks,
m

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Originally Posted by spiderhole View Post

While hooking up my Harmony adapter for the ps3 this morning I noticed my 52Z2100 has what appears to be a single stuck red pixel about 2/3 towards the middle left of screen. I've tried to gently massage it back to life, and have the tv on now to see if warming up for a few hours will rectify it. It's not really noticeable from our viewing distance (approx 10ft), but i'm worried it might be a pre-cursor to other pixels going bad. I have about a week left on the BB return window and debating whether or not to exchange it.

thoughts?

-m
post #975 of 2287
So, I looked through the on-line manual as well as a search of this thread, and can't find the answer to the following:
Does this tv do 24p natively? By native support I mean mean that the TV doesn't just accept a 1080p/24 signal - it means that it can accept that 1080p/24 and then display it at a native multiple of 24 frames per second.
post #976 of 2287
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Originally Posted by dogman07 View Post

FWIW have had a 52 inch for a few days and knock on wood I'm happy and then some. Considered a samsung at one point but thought the reflective thing might come into play at some point, plus I have always had good luck
(again more wood) with Sony.
One question for the thread if anybody is downloading netflix movies in HD are you getting a tiny screen?
Can someone tell me how to make the screen bigger?

Up arrow on the remote!
post #977 of 2287
is driving me buggy!

I am fairly proficient in regards to home networking. When I try and access Netflix, over 50% of the time that I choose something from my que, I get a response that basically says that my time to view the selected content has expired. Yet, I can pull up the same que via my PS3 slim or go to another set that has a Samsung B3600 blu-ray attached and access everything just fine.

I've called NetFlix about this and they claim I should call Sony. I engaged in an online chat with a Sony rep and it was the most horrible help desk experience I even had. I haven't had time to call Sony support yet.

When I check the network on the Bravia, I can access all other internet content. The one thing a Netflix rep told me is that the time on the Bravia has to be the correct time or I can get the problems I am experiencing. That fix did help one time but on every other occurrence, the time on the set is the current time.

The only way I can resolve this is to deactivate the Bravia from Netflix and then reactivate it. What a pain when it's late and all I want to do is watch a movie.

Anyone else experiencing this issue?
post #978 of 2287
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Originally Posted by bill90879 View Post

I'm in the same boat... actually I'm down to 2 choices...

Sony KDL52Z5100 or Samsung LN52B610

Samsung deal being $250 cheaper... What would you buy?

Given the lack of responses to your post and the untimeliness of my response, you've probably already made your decision. Hope this doesn't give you any buyer's remorse, but the Samsung LN52B610 is a Series 6 Samsung and not the equivalent of a KDL52Z5100. A more appropriate equivalent comparison would be the KDL52Z5100 or the LN52B750. Now that is based on technical and feature comparability, which is what you really have to look at unless you are just trying to meet a budget limit for a 52" HDTV.
post #979 of 2287
I will just let it go. I have exactly the same problem: one stuck red pixel on my 52W5100. I was bothered first but now I don't notice it at all. It is just one pixel out of more than 2 million pixels. No big deal at all. It is more important to enjoy your TV instead of nitpicking.

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Originally Posted by spiderhole View Post

30+ minutes of JScreenFix and no luck. Afraid to do more than the most gentle of pixel massage since it's new and I don't want to make things worse.

I talked to bb and they said as long as I come into the store before my exchange window has passed (Dec 30th) they will arrange and in-home exchange. I've been watching the tv for the last few days and truth be told I cannot really see it at viewing distance. Part of me feels that I should go ahead and get it swapped out since it's brand new and should work perfectly...but another part of me wonders if it's worth the hassle. Also, who knows what could be wrong with the 2nd set.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks,
m
post #980 of 2287
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Originally Posted by trader37 View Post

It's a Motorola 3416 I Digital PVR terminal Motorola. Unfortunately I am with Shaw Cable in Canada which compresses the signal to heck. While I could set up the old tube I'd rather not. My goal is to try and keep the TV. Dad watches WWE in HD and that's it. They both watch programmes from India on ATN and the other Indian channels that are re-broadcast here. I could be wrong but I don't think India ha HD at this point. I would guess that 99%+ of homes that have TV's don't have anything but tube.

It is likely that the Indian channels aren't making any effort to get a first class 480i signal (true SDTV) or to clean up their source material (digitally re-master their content) because the majority of their viewers are watching the programming on small, run-of-the-mill, SD CRT TVs (analog OTA or cable feed), which don't expose the SD PQ problems like larger, digital TVs do.

Here in the U.S. many early adopters (posters on AVS) of digital TVs noted the gradual improvement in SD analog TV (especially local, OTA broadcasters) over the past 6 years and before the mandatory transition to digital broadcasting. What we suspected is that with the larger digital sets being purchased, more folks were complaining about their local, OTA, station's poor PQ and the station engineers responded by bringing their analog signal up to the highest SDTV capabilities and true 480i resolution. It made quite a difference.

What I'm trying to say is that broadcasters are happy to transmit the cheapest and easiest SD analog (even though you have digital cable, the source cable stations are likely sending out an analog SD signal to the cable and satellite service providers) signal until their audience starts to complain about the poor PQ. And that typically happens when the audience starts using newer technology TVs that emphasis the poor quality of the broadcaster's content. No complaints, no incentive to improve.
post #981 of 2287
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Originally Posted by castaban View Post

I have 146... That maybe true, but unlikely. The problem is, when I go to the esupport website with my PC, it shows 148 is available, but it cannot be downloaded even to the PC, the file simply does not even exist. No F/W can be downloaded to the PC, 146 or 148. This definitely looks like a sever problem at Sony site

While I won't rule out a Sony server problem, having different update numbers for on-line versus website downloaded software revisions has occurred before for the Z5100s. The latest 146 versus 148 differential is at least the second time that has happened since last summer. I wouldn't worry about it if you have 146, that's probably as good as it gets as I don't believe 146 was ever listed as a website download. Like the time before, 146 became available pretty much the same day that Sony listed 148 on-line.
post #982 of 2287
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Originally Posted by CSonntag View Post

So, I looked through the on-line manual as well as a search of this thread, and can't find the answer to the following:
Does this tv do 24p natively? By native support I mean mean that the TV doesn't just accept a 1080p/24 signal - it means that it can accept that 1080p/24 and then display it at a native multiple of 24 frames per second.

Yes.
post #983 of 2287
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Originally Posted by spiderhole View Post

30+ minutes of JScreenFix and no luck. Afraid to do more than the most gentle of pixel massage since it's new and I don't want to make things worse.

Tell us more about JScreenFix in case others on this thread decide to mess with a stuck pixel.

Thanks,
CEB II
post #984 of 2287
Is the actual frame of the the Z series tvs supposed to be curved????
When I look at the front of my tv from the side, eyeballing along the bottom of the set, I see the front of the tv is not perfectly flat.
It is caved in a bit, curved inward where the Sony label is.
Is this a defect with my set, or is it this way for all sets?
When I try to calibrate the brightness with a pluge pattern, I can adjust it from a view looking straight at the tv, but if I move off axis to the right or left, the black level is hightened... A LOT.
Is my tv defective?... or is this just the way it is.
Off-axis viewing at just 30 degrees from prime viewing position shouldn't raise black levels so high. Something seems to be amiss.
post #985 of 2287
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Originally Posted by arthurking View Post

I will just let it go. I have exactly the same problem: one stuck red pixel on my 52W5100. I was bothered first but now I don't notice it at all. It is just one pixel out of more than 2 million pixels. No big deal at all. It is more important to enjoy your TV instead of nitpicking.

I hear ya. I went to BB today and they arranged an exchange but there was one little detail that kinda bugs me. Once they bring in the new TV, I cannot keep the old one instead even if there is someone even worse wrong with the replacement set. Now I'm debating on if I should just call to cancel the exchange and live with it as you say.

I'm curious how many people with Z's here have stuck or dead pixels. Wondering what the odds of of getting another one in an even worse spot...or more than one!


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Tell us more about JScreenFix in case others on this thread decide to mess with a stuck pixel.

http://www.jscreenfix.com/

-m
post #986 of 2287
Personally I would say if you can't see the pixel from your seating distance, and
you are happy with the degree of screen clouding/flashlighting stick with the set..

If not try it and see what happens... Couldn't you always try another set in a few weeks if the 2nd set is not satisfactory ? Would be a major PITA in my opinion though.
post #987 of 2287
Hello again everyone, hope you had a great Christmas. I was over in the settings thread and it seems to have died. So I am going to post some information here.

I bought the TV about a month ago and I have not had much time to play with it. I find the picture fantastic and once I tweak it to my liking I am confident it will hold it's own against my Pioneer Non-Elite 5020. (ALthough the Pioneer is professionally calibrated and has incredible blacks)

Overall when I use Will's settings the picture is really good but something seems missing. It could be that most of what I watch is HD Cable. I seem to like the Warm 1 setting for skin tones. They look better to me. I'm glad people are raising that backlight to +2 also as I was finding it too dark. I also find a slight yellowish green with Will's settings. Any opinions how to tone that down a bit? Would the white balance settings have anything to do with it? Or should I just play with the tint? If I just try this myself I end up changing everything. LOL

I was trying to tweak it to my liking with The Dark Knight. There is one scene at the beginning where the guys with the clown masks are working on the electrical box on top of a building. When I had my Pioneer calibrated it was one scene the calibrator showed me how the difference in the lines on the mask should look. When I tried some settings on here, I could hardly see the lines until I raised the sharpness. When I used the STANDARD setting out of the box it looked better. But I did not play with it much. I started to dabble and ended up all over the place.

Another thing that is not quite right to my eye is watching hockey at Will's settings. Its not the settings, I just find it too dark and no pop in the colors of the uniforms. I have the same problem watching hockey on the Pioneer and I have to use the sport setting there too. I tried the SPORT on the Sony and found it too bright but more to my liking. I guess I need something in between.

Has anyone found settings they like for hockey?

I'm surprised more people aren't posting their settings and why has nobody had it calibrated. I need to let the wife cool off first. LOL.

A quick story, I bought the TV in early December and found it was $200.00 cheaper at Futureshop yesterday. I went in to get it price matched and although they tried to convince me that the other price included a "free" calibration, I managed to convince them to give me the $200.00 and I don't need their moneygrab calibration. They called it a THX calibration and it is probably a simpler version of DVE or something. it pays to keep your eyes open. I also got a BD60 blu ray player and I just love it. So now I can really tweak this baby.

Hope to hear some comments,
post #988 of 2287
One more quick question with regards to firmware upgrades. I have not done any and it looks like there are two since I have my set. Do I need to do both seperately or can I just do the latest one? I need to do it manually as it is not hooked up to my router.

Thanks,
post #989 of 2287
Credit to Will's recommendation on the new Star Trek BD. The wife agreed to add it to our initial purchase of BDs for my new Sony BDP-N460. Wow, great movie and a great display of BD capabilities. Seeing the Mbs in the 32 to 35 range blew me away. My only criticism of the movie is sometimes the flashing colored lights just get quite annoying and obstruct the view of the central figures and action in the scene. But, overall i don't think you can go wrong with Star Trek as the movie to show friends what BD can do compared to regular or upscaled DVDs.

As to Will's BD settings, not so much. I tried them as a starting point with our first BD viewing (Twister, one of my wife's favorite action movies). Seemed a little dull to me so I pumped up the brightness to 50. A little better, but sure didn't have much Wow factor and this was in a fairly dark room. Paused the picture on a couple of outdoor scenes, wide scenery shots and a facial close-up and switched back and forth between Standard and Custom (Will's settings w/ 50 brightness). While I tried the argument that Custom looked more real, the wife pointed out that coloring was quite muted and that Standard really made the colors pop. So Standard it is until I mess with the Custom settings again. I think I'll try CNET's settings next.

This is not to criticize Will's settings. It is just that I think different folks like different settings, which is why some crave the "pop" of the Samsung glossy screens to the picture window view of the Sony Zs. I like what Will's settings do with backlight, gamma, and contrast, but i think perhaps his white balance adjustments are just taking too much color out of the picture for us. Don't know, that's just a guess at this point.

BTW, I inadvertently (I left the A/V receiver on TV, forgot to switch to DVD) found out that the Z5100's digital audio optical out won't pass DD5.1 from the BD player's TrueDD audio input via HDMI. It defaults to DD2.0. So if the Z5100 gets a DD5.1 signal via HDMI, it will pass it. If it gets something more exotic, it will default downward. Once the receiver was on DVD, the TrueDD translated to DD5.1 with no problem. I forgot to check to see if the receiver was recognizing audio enhancements (a little indicator that feeds 7.1 sound, which I don't currently have speakers 6 and 7 installed for).
post #990 of 2287
I've been watching the tv for a few hours and must say would be hard pressed to find that stuck pixel without locating it from up close then backing away to viewing distance. Flashlighting seems about avg for this model, and I have no noticeable clouding. Seriously thinking about canceling the exchange.

-m

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Originally Posted by steppinrazer View Post

Personally I would say if you can't see the pixel from your seating distance, and
you are happy with the degree of screen clouding/flashlighting stick with the set..

If not try it and see what happens... Couldn't you always try another set in a few weeks if the 2nd set is not satisfactory ? Would be a major PITA in my opinion though.
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