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post #1861 of 2116
bpeacock, I sadly must agree with you. I have many songs from S1 & S2, and the DVD sets of those two seasons. This season, I have 4 songs -- three from the S3 premiere and "Somewhere" from the second episode. That's it.

As much as I enjoyed S1 and S2, that's how much I dislike S3 -- horrible writing (not that it was Shakespeare to begin with), a downturn in song quality, and an overall nastiness that has turned the show into an unwatchable and "unfun" mess. I've watched the past two episodes while doing other things, and wouldn't have minded if I hadn't seen them.

I'll continue going online every Tuesday a new episode airs to sample the songs, but I just don't have any desire to watch new episodes anymore (I'll be watching the latest episode of the wonderful UK show Misfits instead).
post #1862 of 2116
It continues downhill for me. There was so much wrong with this I don't know where to start or even whether to continue watching it at all. I realize Murphy likes to push envelopes, but teachers talking about their sex lives and virginity with supposed high school students? On a minor positive note, the Warblers' song was fun and "America" from West Side Story was also pretty good. But that was about it.
post #1863 of 2116
I had very mixed feelings about the show. Having heard the complete recorded versions of the songs from West Side Story, I wasn't happy with the way in which some of them were chopped up. The cast did an excellent job on them, especially A Boy Like That in which Lea and Nya did great job and it's a shame that the number wasn't seen in its entirety. At least America was presented in long form. I mean these are iconic numbers, not light weight Katy Perry crap and they deserved a better showing. I thought that the final "consummation" scenes were pretty well handled but the show was just a bit too uneven to be considered one of the very good ones.
post #1864 of 2116
Wow, so many things wrong with this episode. Young kids watch this and the signal they sent in this episode was soooo wrong. Plus they told us Britany was raped in band camp. Nice job glee. Please, let us all laugh at the rape comment. A low point for the show, it deserves to be cancelled now. They lost their magic from season 1 and they will never get it back with this direction they are going.
post #1865 of 2116
I need to go back and watch some of the first few episodes from season 1 and do some comparing. I remember the show being funny while presenting some good music and some decent storylines. I don't see much of any of those these days. But that's why I need to go back and watch the first few shows again, to see if my memory is right and see how far this show has fallen off.
post #1866 of 2116
only had this on because wife/daughter insisted. last night i changed it regardless. even as background noise i couldn't stand it; based on heterosexual reasons.
post #1867 of 2116
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Originally Posted by diditagain View Post

and an overall nastiness that has turned the show into an unwatchable and "unfun" mess.

This sums up the season for me. Glee used to be "must watch" TV. These days, I DVR it, turn an episode on when nothing else is available, and usually don't get more than half way through an episode before deleting it. The overall tone of the show shiften from fun to angry. That's ruined it for me.
post #1868 of 2116
Looks like lots of people are fleeing Glee. Here are the ratings for last night's episode and the same Tuesday S2 episode last year, courtesy of TV Media Insights:

11/09/10 - 10.99 million, 4.6 in 18-49 demo
11/08/11 - 6.90 million, 3.1 in 18-49 demo

That's a drop of 37 percent in viewers and 33 percent in the 18-49 demo.

Here are the season averages:

S1 (22 episodes) - 9.18 million
S2 (22 episodes) - 11.63 million (10.92 million without the Super Bowl episode)
S3 (5 episodes) - 8.12 million
post #1869 of 2116
I'm about done too.

Even my 13 year old daughter said last night she doesn't want to watch anymore and her friends at school have stopped watching.

Unfortunately, we still watched last night's episode. Ugh!

I'd be happy if someone just made a montage of the songs each week. That's all I really want to see at this point.
post #1870 of 2116
My wife and I gave up after watching last night's episode, and we'll be watching no more. Way, way over the top with the sexual agenda, making it painful to watch for a couple of heterosexual 70 year olds. Too bad as I liked some of the music last night, but I've got 15,000 songs on my iPod to cover my musical needs.
post #1871 of 2116
I thought last night's episode was one of the best this season.

I feel the need to post just to counter all the haters out there.
post #1872 of 2116
The producers are lost. I've actually enjoyed parts of the last few episodes a bit more than usual, but the real magic of Glee is gone. For the first 13 shows, they caught lightning in a bottle. They have yet to repeat that happy accident, and the harder they try, the more they fail. More and more, I think of it as a 13 episode mini-series that had the misfortune of being renewed. I wish they could go back, re-write that 13th show a bit and call that the real Glee. What has come after is not much more than a dying fish thrashing around in the bottom of a boat.

I'll still watch, for the occasional musical number I enjoy (and for fleeting shots of Naya Rivera ), but it's just not fun, or funny, anymore.
post #1873 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I'll still watch, for the occasional musical number I enjoy (and for fleeting shots of Naya Rivera ), but it's just not fun, or funny, anymore.

I'll still watch, too, but only via my DVR. That way I can fast forward through the many scenes focusing on gay themes and other parts of the show that don't interest me, and watch only the musical numbers. Fortunately, despite the deterioration of Glee's overall quality, most of its music is still really good.

EDIT: Since posting the foregoing, I have watched this week's Glee episode. As usual, I thought the gaycentric stuff was both overlong and overdone. Nevertheless, I loved the music. Although West Side story is uneven dramatically and, now, a little dated, Leonard Bernstein's music and Stephen Sondheim's lyrics for the show seem to me to represent the most perfect collaboration of composer and lyricist in the history of musical theater. The great romantic duet, One Hand One Heart, was beautifully done and the America production number was terrific, too.
post #1874 of 2116
I almost never watch anything anymore unless it's on the DVR. I even did that with some of the Cardinals baseball playoff games.

Glee has its moments, but those moments come so infrequently now. When I cease to care about a show's characters, I become emotionally detached and lose interest. Generally, that happens when I feel the characters have lost their emotional integrity (most often because of inconsistent writing and not the actor's performance). Glee is so whacky that it took me a lot longer to get there, but I made it.
post #1875 of 2116
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


EDIT: Since posting the foregoing, I have watched this week's Glee episode. As usual, I thought the gaycentric stuff was both overlong and overdone. Nevertheless, I loved the music. Although West Side story is uneven dramatically and, now, a little dated, Leonard Bernstein's music and Stephen Sondheim's lyrics for the show seem to me to represent the most perfect collaboration of composer and lyricist in the history of musical theater. The great romantic duet, One Hand One Heart, was beautifully done and the America production number was terrific, too.

I can't agree about WSS being dated. The 50th Anniversary Blu-ray just came and I've gotta tell you it holds up wonderfully and, despite some complaints from some WSS purists, the transfer to blu-ray is gorgeous. We didn't get to hear enough of Tonight on this weeks show and only part of the second half of A Boy Like That but Lea has a lovely soprano which is on full display in the full versions of both songs. She was apparently trained as a soprano before she became a belter at around 15. If anyone wondered about what happened to Dave Korofsky, now we know. There was no previous hint about him transferring to another school that I can recall. It would seem to limit the chances of us hearing Max Adler sing, which by his history in high school show choir, he clearly can do (first chair in his All-state HS choir).
post #1876 of 2116
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I can't agree about WSS being dated. The 50th Anniversary Blu-ray just came and I've gotta tell you it holds up wonderfully and, despite some complaints from some WSS purists, the transfer to blu-ray is gorgeous. We didn't get to hear enough of Tonight on this weeks show and only part of the second half of A Boy Like That but Lea has a lovely soprano which is on full display in the full versions of both songs. She was apparently trained as a soprano before she became a belter at around 15. If anyone wondered about what happened to Dave Korofsky, now we know. There was no previous hint about him transferring to another school that I can recall. It would seem to limit the chances of us hearing Max Adler sing, which by his history in high school show choir, he clearly can do (first chair in his All-state HS choir).

The problem I have always had with West Side Story's dramatic elements is the necessity to cast Broadway chorus boys as inner city gangbangers. I'm sorry but that has never worked very well for me. Still, the music and the lyrics are beautiful beyond my ability to describe them.

By the way the most beautiful rendition of One Hand, One Heart I have heard, was performed by Tiri Te Kanawa and Jose Carreras in the 1985 concert recording of the full work, conducted by Bernstein himself. Carreras wasn't great dramatically but he could really sing, especially when it came to floating beautiful pianissimos. Te Kanawa, as always, was wonderful, both dramatically and musically.
post #1877 of 2116
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


By the way the most beautiful rendition of One Hand, One Heart I have heard, was performed by Tiri Te Kanawa and Jose Carreras in the 1985 concert recording of the full work, conducted by Bernstein himself. Carreras wasn't great dramatically but he could really sing, especially when it came to floating beautiful pianissimos. Te Kanawa, as always, was wonderful, both dramatically and musically.

I have that CD buried somewhere in the collection and it's wonderful. There was also a symphonic version by Seiji Ozawa and and the SF Symphony that's incredible as well.
post #1878 of 2116
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As usual, I thought the gaycentric stuff was both overlong and overdone.

You realize how this sounds, right?

The "gaycentric" stuff was not "gaycentric" at all. It was a relationship, just like the relationship between Finn and Rachel, and had nothing particular to do with gay issues or gay politics unless you consider the simple fact of it existing to be political. And if you do, that's really your problem and not the show's. It's just another relationship, with its ups and downs -- no different than Mike and Tina's or anyone else's.

The entire point of the story was the parallels and differences between the two relationships. Anyone who thinks it's okay to show Finn and Rachel lying together in bed but not Kurt and Blaine really needs to... well, one, quit watching this show, because it's not changing any time soon, and two, consider whether those are really the biases they want to carry through life.
post #1879 of 2116
BTW, I do think it's fair to call West Side Story -- both the play itself and the movie version of it -- a little dated. It glamorizes street gangs, which I think we can all agree are not something that should be glamorized in the real world. The sentiment of "stick to your own kind" makes me cringe, personally, even though many would acknowledge it still exists. The idea of having mostly anglo actors using Puerto Rican accents is also problematic. It's not something you would do today if you were making a movie (not to mention not having your leads actually singing) if you could possibly help it.

The story is certainly timeless, as is its source material, Romeo & Juliet. Some of the music is amazing and it has wonderful opportunities for great dancing. But is it a little dated? Yeah. But that happens, and it doesn't mean it's not worth doing or seeing.
post #1880 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

You realize how this sounds, right?

The "gaycentric" stuff was not "gaycentric" at all. It was a relationship, just like the relationship between Finn and Rachel, and had nothing particular to do with gay issues or gay politics unless you consider the simple fact of it existing to be political. And if you do, that's really your problem and not the show's. It's just another relationship, with its ups and downs -- no different than Mike and Tina's or anyone else's.

The entire point of the story was the parallels and differences between the two relationships. Anyone who thinks it's okay to show Finn and Rachel lying together in bed but not Kurt and Blaine really needs to... well, one, quit watching this show, because it's not changing any time soon, and two, consider whether those are really the biases they want to carry through life.

+1

I am a 70 year old and find comments like
"Way, way over the top with the sexual agenda, making it painful to watch for a couple of heterosexual 70 year olds."
very depressing.
As is
"even as background noise i couldn't stand it; based on heterosexual reasons."

I don't think the posters do realize how it sounds. They think this sort of prejudice is OK.
post #1881 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

I have that CD buried somewhere in the collection and it's wonderful.

I found my CDs of the Bernstein-Te Kanawa-Carreras concert version of West Side Story this morning and played One Hand, One Heart again. As it always has, it moved me.
post #1882 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

You realize how this sounds, right?

The "gaycentric" stuff was not "gaycentric" at all. It was a relationship, just like the relationship between Finn and Rachel, and had nothing particular to do with gay issues or gay politics unless you consider the simple fact of it existing to be political. And if you do, that's really your problem and not the show's. It's just another relationship, with its ups and downs -- no different than Mike and Tina's or anyone else's.

The entire point of the story was the parallels and differences between the two relationships. Anyone who thinks it's okay to show Finn and Rachel lying together in bed but not Kurt and Blaine really needs to... well, one, quit watching this show, because it's not changing any time soon, and two, consider whether those are really the biases they want to carry through life.

You have your point of view and I have mine. I readily concede that you have a perfect right to your point of view, despite my disagreement. You, however, have chosen to characterize my point of view as a "bias." We could discuss further just who is being narrow minded here but I am sure you get it.
post #1883 of 2116
Gay, straight - who cares? That's us and our problems/issues. For me, Glee's biggest problem is simply that it's not very much fun anymore.

Personally, I think the producers are opening up a whole can of worms with an episode about first time sex, or student-teacher sex, with high school kids. There are a lot of people who aren't going to like what they seem to be promoting. That could land them in a big ole pan of hot water. Maybe that's what they want, because they can't figure out how to make the show as entertaining as it used to be. Maybe they think a nasty controversy might just be the thing to divert attention from the creative quagmire they've written themselves into.
post #1884 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Gay, straight - who cares? That's us and our problems/issues. For me, Glee's biggest problem is simply that it's not very much fun anymore.

Personally, I think the producers are opening up a whole can of worms with an episode about first time sex, or student-teacher sex, with high school kids. There are a lot of people who aren't going to like what they seem to be promoting. That could land them in a big ole pan of hot water. Maybe that's what they want, because they can't figure out how to make the show as entertaining as it used to be. Maybe they think a nasty controversy might just be the thing to divert attention from the creative quagmire they've written themselves into.

Good point. Glee's writers seem to be trying desperately to resurrect the show with as much stuff as possible that is so controversial, it will, at best, not be very interesting to many people or, at worst, offend them.

I haven't been offended by anything I've seen but the writers have spent a lot of time on subjects, which, it seems to me, are decidedly odd choices for a show that built its reputation on singing and dancing. The sad part is that much if not most of the singing and dancing are still great. Thank God for the DVR!
post #1885 of 2116
Exactly. I want Glee to make me laugh and have a blast, like it used to. I don't care about Ryan Murphy or anyone else's personal beliefs. They're entitled to them. But when they're all we can talk about anymore, what does that say about how far off the road they've driven this clown car?
post #1886 of 2116
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

You have your point of view and I have mine. I readily concede that you have a perfect right to your point of view, despite my disagreement. You, however, have chosen to characterize my point of view as a "bias." We could discuss further just who is being narrow minded here but I am sure you get it.

Yeah, I get the false equivalence just fine. Calling out intolerance does not make me "biased" against you. I'm calling out your comments, not expressing intolerance for who you are.

I can only imagine the reaction here if someone called the ongoing storyline about Mike and Tina, which repeatedly touches on Asian-Americans and their cultural expectations -- in a similar way, by calling it "too Asian centric" or something similar. I don't think anyone here would deny such comments were bigoted. It's no different when the comments are about gay people (usually gay men).
post #1887 of 2116
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Exactly. I want Glee to make me laugh and have a blast, like it used to. I don't care about Ryan Murphy or anyone else's personal beliefs. They're entitled to them. But when they're all we can talk about anymore, what does that say about how far off the road they've driven this clown car?

The show used to be so much fun. But now it's about "what can we teach people this week?" and hammer away at it. If I want a life lesson show, I'll watch something on ABC Family.
post #1888 of 2116
I have not watched the show in a while but watched this week's just to see what all the brouhaha was about. Wasn't terrible, sure was not great. I think I have to agree with Whitearrow on this one, it was just about couples and relationships,perhaps I'm more comfortable with the gay aspect, but "gay-centric" never entered my mind.

Sexuality is something all teens struggle with, and while it wasn't particularly good story telling I did not find it offensive.
post #1889 of 2116
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Originally Posted by MRM4 View Post

The show used to be so much fun. But now it's about "what can we teach people this week?" and hammer away at it. If I want a life lesson show, I'll watch something on ABC Family.

Glee's showrunners built the show's reputation on both great music and the wonderfully lightweight and fun attitude it projected during its first season. They lost their way, though, when they, arrogantly it seems to me, changed direction and started spending way too much time and effort on social issues. I think these self righteousness "teaching moments" have taken much of the fun out of the show. If I want lectures, I can get them herel I watch Glee to be entertained, not to be lectured to. Thanks to my TiVo, though, I'm still on board for the show's still wonderful singing and dancing.
post #1890 of 2116
I think the point is, if there were no gay characters at all, as most TV shows dealing with high school kids historically have been, essentially rendering them invisible and firmly out of sight in their closets (where many hope they'll remain), and the same "lessons" were applied to various groups who used to be discriminated against but no longer are, it wouldn't bother many folks and these discussions would not be happening.

Social change is always difficult while it's occurring, but usually results in a kinder and more tolerant society in the long run. This is simply a change that's long overdue. TV is one of the factors leading the way, and this show is in the forefront of that movement. I doubt Ryan Murphy is going to be willing to change course with this show now, especially with the success of AHS and his other ongoing and future projects.
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