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post #241 of 2083
10/20/09 at 10:56am
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I may have accidentally, inadvertently through no fault of my own, watched that about 100 times. For some technical reason I can't figure out, my DVR keeps playing that when my wife isn't around.

Hmm...my DVR does exactly the same thing with Californication. Isn't flawed technology just grand?
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post #242 of 2083
10/20/09 at 11:11am
Just wanted to clarify: the only problem I see is when supposedly live numbers, which of course are recorded in studio for practical purposes, have echos and post-production effects like in 'No Air' which just takes you out of the scene completely. If they feel the need to add that for the iTunes next-day release, that's more than fine, but -- eh.
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post #243 of 2083
10/20/09 at 12:37pm
Since we're sharing today, I thought I'd offer up a Glee drinking game I've come up with. I call it BIB - for Backdoor Invitational Bendover. Every time a Cheerio does one of their 90 degree bend at the waist moves, you call out "BIB!" and take a shot. Guaranteed to send you to the hospital with alcohol poisoning.

Absolutely must be done in a wife-free viewing environment.

What do you think? Too sleazy for an AVS post?
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post #244 of 2083
10/20/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

The point of the show is whatever the writers and producers want it to be, and they've clearly shown us where the show is going.

They did not start off as a traditional musical comedy, but they're quickly headed that route, and I share the opinion that the show is suffering for it. That format just doesn't work on a TV budget or timeframe. You can't put together the consistent score, production numbers, and sound mixes that a quality musical demands. Keeping the numbers confined to the context of Glee club performances was allowing them to work within their limitations, and just barely at that.

Now, maybe you don't care, or prefer the direction they're heading, but if there are enough other people that don't like it, it means a drop in ratings and cancellation.
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post #245 of 2083
10/20/09 at 3:36pm
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They did not start off as a traditional musical comedy, but they're quickly headed that route, and I share the opinion that the show is suffering for it. That format just doesn't work on a TV budget or timeframe. You can't put together the consistent score, production numbers, and sound mixes that a quality musical demands. Keeping the numbers confined to the context of Glee club performances was allowing them to work within their limitations, and just barely at that.

Now, maybe you don't care, or prefer the direction they're heading, but if there are enough other people that don't like it, it means a drop in ratings and cancellation.

Well lets hope that does not happen we do not have a lot of creative entertaining shows out there coming from the networks. I, for one, would be sad to see a show like this cancelled. If you are saying they do not have the budget of a Broadway musical - you may be right. However, in working within the constraints that they have financially - they are putting out a very creative/entertaining product.

Then again - I guess we can all just throw in the towel and say that Network TV should stick to low budget reality shows and Jay Leno style talk shows.
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post #246 of 2083
10/20/09 at 3:47pm
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They did not start off as a traditional musical comedy, but they're quickly headed that route, and I share the opinion that the show is suffering for it. That format just doesn't work on a TV budget or timeframe. You can't put together the consistent score, production numbers, and sound mixes that a quality musical demands. Keeping the numbers confined to the context of Glee club performances was allowing them to work within their limitations, and just barely at that.

Now, maybe you don't care, or prefer the direction they're heading, but if there are enough other people that don't like it, it means a drop in ratings and cancellation.

The Glee ratings seem to be solid, if not great, with an uptick the last couple of weeks. From what I've read, Fox is relatively happy with the show. I haven't heard much talk of cancellation. Are they running dramatically over budget? I'd really like to know where the concern is coming from.
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post #247 of 2083
10/20/09 at 5:17pm
Plus it got higher ratings with the change to using 7 day plus DVR usage figures.
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post #248 of 2083
10/20/09 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post

Now, maybe you don't care, or prefer the direction they're heading, but if there are enough other people that don't like it, it means a drop in ratings and cancellation.

Given that the ratings have been going up the past few weeks (and skyrocketing with DVR vieweship factored in) and Fox has already renewed it for a full season AND is planning on releasing a season 1 music CD AND is planning on a musical tour (ala American Idol) I would say neither the majority of the audience nor Fox would agree with that.
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post #249 of 2083
10/20/09 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post

Now, maybe you don't care, or prefer the direction they're heading, but if there are enough other people that don't like it, it means a drop in ratings and cancellation.

I do care, I do prefer the direction they are heading, and since the ratings are going up, one could reasonably postulate that they are making the correct choice.

Plus, I have not seen the reduction in production values that you hinted at. Rather, I have seen what appears to be a very smart way of spreading the numbers out among the cast, to reduce rehearsal time. So, for example, Quin's routines may be simplfied in a Glee Club ensemble number, allowing her to be able to rehearse seperately with the Cherios for one of their 'traditional musical' numbers. That's smart. The rest is just hiring more crew, i.e. add another choreographer if you need to.
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post #250 of 2083
10/20/09 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

I do care, I do prefer the direction they are heading, and since the ratings are going up, one could reasonably postulate that they are making the correct choice.

Plus, I have not seen the reduction in production values that you hinted at. Rather, I have seen what appears to be a very smart way of spreading the numbers out among the cast, to reduce rehearsal time. So, for example, Quin's routines may be simplfied in a Glee Club ensemble number, allowing her to be able to rehearse seperately with the Cherios for one of their 'traditional musical' numbers. That's smart. The rest is just hiring more crew, i.e. add another choreographer if you need to.

Some folks just don't like music drama but that's what Glee is. Thus, it seems to me that those people who complain that it's turning into "a traditional musical comedy" don't really like music drama and should look elsewhere than to Glee for their entertainment. I admit that I love the musical theater genre, so it should come as no surprise that I love Glee.
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post #251 of 2083
10/20/09 at 8:06pm
I'm just guessing, but it sounds to me as though there's been some crossover from other message boards in which Glee is perceived as being in trouble because of bad creative decisions. If that's the case, I'd appreciate some facts to back up that contention. I haven't heard any evidence. If people want simply to express their displeasure about a show's creative direction, that's fine. I do that all the time (see the Dollhouse thread, where the show's fans were probably getting really sick of my criticisms last year). That's quite different, though, than facts. Show me the evidence that Glee is in trouble because of bad decisions. Then I'll listen. People saying it on a message board doesn't make it true.
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post #252 of 2083
10/21/09 at 10:03am
There's simply no evidence that Glee is in trouble, IMO. Not ratings, not critical response, not outward indications of network support.

(BTW, Joss Whedon is going to direct one of the back nine episodes.)

Ratings week to week -- fast nationals, not finals, WITHOUT DVR numbers, the first numbers are 18-49 rating/share, second number is total viewers (in millions):

Shomance, 9/9: 3.4/9, 7.1
Acafellas, 9/16: 3.1/8, 6.6
Preggers, 9/23: 3.0/8, 6.6
The Rhodes Not Taken, 9/30: 3.2/9, 7.3
Vitamin D, 10/7: 3.2/8, 7.3
Throwdown, 10/14: 3.3/9, 7.4

No question, there was a dip after the first regular episode, but since the Kristin Chenoweth episode, the show has been steady, even slightly improving week to week. And even wth Preggers, the lowest-rated episode (and premiere night on the competing networks) Fox still won the night in 18-49 year olds.

Glee has also been scoring significant gains when DVR +7 data is added in. The Rhodes Not Taken went up to a 4.2 in the demo and 9 million total viewers, a 27% increase.
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post #253 of 2083
10/21/09 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

There's simply no evidence that Glee is in trouble, IMO. Not ratings, not critical response, not outward indications of network support.

(BTW, Joss Whedon is going to direct one of the back nine episodes.)

Ratings week to week -- fast nationals, not finals, WITHOUT DVR numbers, the first numbers are 18-49 rating/share, second number is total viewers (in millions):

Shomance, 9/9: 3.4/9, 7.1
Acafellas, 9/16: 3.1/8, 6.6
Preggers, 9/23: 3.0/8, 6.6
The Rhodes Not Taken, 9/30: 3.2/9, 7.3
Vitamin D, 10/7: 3.2/8, 7.3
Throwdown, 10/14: 3.3/9, 7.4

No question, there was a dip after the first regular episode, but since the Kristin Chenoweth episode, the show has been steady, even slightly improving week to week. And even wth Preggers, the lowest-rated episode (and premiere night on the competing networks) Fox still won the night in 18-49 year olds.

Glee has also been scoring significant gains when DVR +7 data is added in. The Rhodes Not Taken went up to a 4.2 in the demo and 9 million total viewers, a 27% increase.

Why is it not surprising to me that Joss Whedon is directing an episode of Glee? This is his kind of show. Can't wait for that one!
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post #254 of 2083
10/21/09 at 2:11pm
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Some folks just don't like music drama but that's what Glee is. Thus, it seems to me that those people who complain that it's turning into "a traditional musical comedy" don't really like music drama and should look elsewhere than to Glee for their entertainment.

I like musical comedies quite a bit, but I've got two problems with the show, and they've got nothing to do with the genre. First, it's quickly losing the edginess it had in the pilot and first episodes. I didn't find anyone in the pilot particularly likable. The teacher was kind of a naive idiot who was heading towards an affair, Rachel was highly manipulative, all the Cheerios were flat out evil, and the other Glee club members were losers. This was a nice contrast with the peppy musical numbers. It was the mad tone of the thing that I thought made it work.

In the past couple of episodes they've been filing down all those rough edges. Rachel is much less manipulative, now. The whole fake pregnancy thing just seems like a big excuse for the teacher to eventually leave his wife for a "good" reason. They're trying to make all the characters more likable. In real life, the cheerleaders and jocks would be mercilessly cruel to the other members. The whole thing is starting to ring hollow and the show is starting to turn into HSM. Harmless, musical candy primarily aimed at teenage girls. It's not there yet, but I can see the path ahead.

My second problem is the production quality of the musical sections, which we've already discussed so I won't bother repeating.
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post #255 of 2083
10/21/09 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Brian View Post

I like musical comedies quite a bit, but I've got two problems with the show, and they've got nothing to do with the genre. First, it's quickly losing the edginess it had in the pilot and first episodes. I didn't find anyone in the pilot particularly likable. The teacher was kind of a naive idiot who was heading towards an affair, Rachel was highly manipulative, all the Cheerios were flat out evil, and the other Glee club members were losers. This was a nice contrast with the peppy musical numbers. It was the mad tone of the thing that I thought made it work.

In the past couple of episodes they've been filing down all those rough edges. Rachel is much less manipulative, now. The whole fake pregnancy thing just seems like a big excuse for the teacher to eventually leave his wife for a "good" reason. They're trying to make all the characters more likable. In real life, the cheerleaders and jocks would be mercilessly cruel to the other members. The whole thing is starting to ring hollow and the show is starting to turn into HSM. Harmless, musical candy primarily aimed at teenage girls. It's not there yet, but I can see the path ahead.

My second problem is the production quality of the musical sections, which we've already discussed so I won't bother repeating.

That's the kind of criticism I have no problem with, Brian. I don't happen to agree with it, but my take will have to wait. Gotta run now.
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post #256 of 2083
10/21/09 at 7:24pm
Tonight was the best episode of Glee so far. Puck was great singing Sweet Caroline.
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post #257 of 2083
10/21/09 at 8:22pm
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Tonight was the best episode of Glee so far. Puck was great singing Sweet Caroline.

I thought the exact opposite, maybe it'll grow on me after I've had time to digest it more.

I just thought it went too quick through too many extremes.

Sue is evil, now she's a giddy school girl, look at her dance, oh she's a bitch again.

Rachel to this point didn't seem the type of character that would just instantly start making out with the mean jock.

The coach thing seemed too forced also. He knew that they were learning to dance yet still got pissed.

Was just too much on/off moments. The other episodes seem to go through a range of emotions, but this one was full throttle or standing still, just didn't feel right. Especially if this is a finale for a while.
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post #258 of 2083
10/21/09 at 8:37pm
Great episode. One of the best. The musical numbers were tops.
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post #259 of 2083
10/22/09 at 12:53am
'Glee' DVD to be released midseason
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post #260 of 2083
10/22/09 at 3:49am
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I thought the exact opposite, maybe it'll grow on me after I've had time to digest it more.

I just thought it went too quick through too many extremes.

Sue is evil, now she's a giddy school girl, look at her dance, oh she's a bitch again.

Rachel to this point didn't seem the type of character that would just instantly start making out with the mean jock.

The coach thing seemed too forced also. He knew that they were learning to dance yet still got pissed.

Was just too much on/off moments. The other episodes seem to go through a range of emotions, but this one was full throttle or standing still, just didn't feel right. Especially if this is a finale for a while.

I agree, especially about Sue's character. I also didn't care much for the music in this episode. They really need to stop giving Will R&B/Rap songs.
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post #261 of 2083
10/22/09 at 6:15am
This is a show I love for going "over the top," so I really can't cry foul when the top is a little higher than usual. But I agree this episode took us on an emotional roller coaster that that didn't feel quite right sometimes. By the end, though, I thought they brought it back home.

I did really like the showcasing of Matthew Morrison (Will). Does anyone know if Jayma Mays really sang My Fair Lady's "I Could Have Danced All Night"?
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post #262 of 2083
10/22/09 at 6:17am
Here's some news about a new member joining Glee's cast for a story arc.
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post #263 of 2083
10/22/09 at 6:20am
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'Glee' DVD to be released midseason

I think we can safely put the "Glee is in trouble" rumors to bed for a while.
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post #264 of 2083
10/22/09 at 6:27am
Matthew Morrison and Jane Lynch talk about Glee, with some thoughts on last night's show.
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post #265 of 2083
10/22/09 at 6:41am
Here's a very cool interview with Matthew Morrison from when the cast was in Australia.
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post #266 of 2083
10/22/09 at 7:05am
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I agree, especially about Sue's character. I also didn't care much for the music in this episode. They really need to stop giving Will R&B/Rap songs.

See, I look at it the opposite. Sue Sylvester is either 'all in' or 'not at all.' I can totally see anyone like jump head first into a 'love' interest like that, she is bat-crap crazy ya know!

Also, it seemed like they all had 'real' feelings as well. Sure, Tanaka knew they would be practicing the dance moves, but it is one thing to 'know' about a possible attraction and be 'ok' with it, and another to see it in person. I can totally see a person acting out like that.

But, yeah, I totally agree...stop giving Will the R&B/Rap songs... at least this Rap song (not the Thong Song) was a pretty fun one
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post #267 of 2083
10/22/09 at 7:21am
Well, I loved the music, and was really impressed by Will performance.
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post #268 of 2083
10/22/09 at 9:48am
We really enjoyed last night's show although the transition from Sue hooking up with the news anchor to swing dancing with Will was a bit abrupt. Loved Jane Lynch in the red Zoot Suit with the big brimmed hat. She looked smashing. For us the Jewish sub-plot between Rachel and Puck was achingly funny. I don't know who the writers are but, obviously, some are Jewish because nobody else could have come up with the Puckerman's "traditional Simchas Torah Dinner" of Chinese food complete with sweet and sour pork. That and Puck's telling Rachel "c'mon, we're a couple of hot Jews" when he's trying to score her had us falling on the floor. Matt Morrison is, more and more, geting to flex his Broadway muscles on the show. He is a superb performer with a great voice. Hopefully, they'll really let him cut loose on some actual music. The dance scene with Emma was just charming. Jayma Mays looked great in the white dress and if that was her singing (my wife speculated that maybe it was really Marni Nixon), she has a pretty good "stage" voice. Given Emma's personality and quirks, her singing a number was a real and pleasant surprise. The show continues to impress and we look forward to Wednesdays at 9 PM now.
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post #269 of 2083
10/22/09 at 10:08am
When did Emma sing? I saw Will singing the "Thong Song" then he fell over her dress and that was the end of the scene (as Tanaka looks on).
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post #270 of 2083
10/22/09 at 10:12am
Ratings holding steady: 3.2/8 in the demo, 7.24 million overall. (It also improves on its lead-in, which is a big deal for Fox's 9 pm shows, since affiliates want the eyeballs for their local news.)

This was the last new episode for three weeks
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