Terminator 2: Judgement Day comparison *PIX* PART DEUX - Page 7

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Good to know what they consider to have 'no processing artifacts'. And we can't even see it in motion yet.

i've just secured a studio canal hd-dvd of t2.. it's an easy enough job to remux it into a BD structure, but i'm wondering if 25,583,933,484 bytes is too much for a single layer disc.

i suppose if it is too much, the DTS-MA could be dropped for the DTS core and it would fit - and make the perfect BluRay T2 transfer. great video, great audio mix AND the extended edition.

Ideally get the French version. It has both the extended and theatrical version. The latter has forced subtitles, but of course you can remove those when you are remuxing anyway ...

I just got the Japanese premium edition, I can't imagine any other edition being better.
I whole heartedly recommend everyone order a copy from Amazon Japan. It's expensive as hell but worth it.

There is also a BD port of that release. I got it from Amazon.fr (UPC 5050582560961). The theatrical disc is region B only, but the extended disc is region A and B -- the same disc as the first UK BD release. (I only ordered the French version because I couldn't track down the UK one.)

I can play the French region B disc now that the OPPO is region-free, but I figure I'll stick to my original US Lionsgate release if I ever want to watch the theatrical cut (so I can avoid the forced French subtitles).

What a hassle! If only they hadn't used DNR on the Skynet version, I could have avoided all of this. As long as alternative options exist without DNR, I will go out of my way to get them.

I'm perfectly happy with just the extended.. the movie makes more sense with those scenes added. The timing of John teaching the T800, how John could identify the T1000 from Sarah at the end etc.

I'm just glad that those scenes aren't of degraded quality either video or audio.

ew. those skynet pix are awful. seriously?

Phew. I hate when I think there's something wrong with the system but thanks to AVS I see I'm not the only one.

I find the dialogue to be too low in 9 out of 10 movies.. I hate having to crank it up to hear what's being said - only to have my eardrums explode when the action starts.

I would hope they would redo this when Salvation comes out on blu to try and cash in on that, probably wishful thinking

Eh, I doubt it. I think if they were going to do that, they wouldn't have bothered with the current re-release.

But, look on the bright side. When Avatar is finished, maybe Cameron will have some time to approve some new transfers in the next couple of years.

Just give me Avatar on Blu already.

Amazon UK has Terminator 2, non-Skynet edition for
Items: GBP 6.07
Postage & Packing: GBP 3.08
Order Total: GBP 9.15
Payment Total: USD 15.07**

I paid, $24 back in the day.. very worth it.

It's not Blu-Ray but you can watch Delgo now! No need to wait for Avatar!



http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/08/a...it_a_these.php

NO lossless?

Yes it has lossless, Amazon fail at basic specs once again.

because the studios are catering to j6p thats why. it sucks i know but thats what j6p wants a smooth looking picture.

the only studios i know of not using dnr or very little is sony and disney.the rest of them dnr there titles to death and call them blu-ray

Thank you.
$15 is a no brainer.

See specs here..

With so many releases, can anyone please point me to the very best version of Terminator 2: Judgment Day (must be the theatrical cut and region A, or region free). It must use a video codec better than MPEG-2 and feature lossless audio. Thanks!

The general consensus is that the Japanese "Premium Edition" releases were the best released to date. The problem is that the 2-BD version (catalog number GNXF-1012) which has both the Theatrical and SE cuts on separate discs is OOP and hard to find, and the in-print single-disc release (GNXF-1003) only includes the SE cut disc.
Edited by svenge - 7/30/12 at 12:02am

TBH, until a new master is made all the Blu-ray releases are just going to be varying degrees of the same thing.

One other question: Do the international (UK, DE) Skynet versions also contain light DNR?

I really don't have a problem with the Skynet edition. The DNR is there throughout, but it's borderline acceptable. Medium amount of EE has also been applied. Most of the grain has been scrubbed and a fine layer of fake (?) grain added. This does not effect the detail in 90% of the movie. The slight problem that I have with Xylon's pics is that he purposely chose the very worst parts to display. And that's not entirely representative of the disc. The movie also looks quite different while in motion. In motion, the fine layer of grain is visible, but when paused, it looks smeared. The presentation is also somewhat inconsistent. I can easily pause and see large portions of the movie with so little DNR, that screencaps would be the complete opposite of Xylon's and by looking at them it would be very hard to determine that DNR was ever used.

The old US release with garbage audio and MPEG-2 video is atrocious. Heavy EE, print damage, huge blotchy gobs of grain (in no way representative of the movie), compression artifacts, etc.

The extended edition of Terminator 2: Judgment Day is useless crap. I don't see why anyone would want to get the no DNR edition of it from UK, or JP. Completely pointless.

So if I understand correct, the Japanese OOP 2-disc Blu-Ray is the only edition which is region A, or free, with a more modern codec than MPEG-2, lossless audio, and the theatrical cut? It looks like some third party sellers are still offering it on Amazon JP, for $100 with shipping to US. That's ridiculous.
Edited by NagysAudio - 7/30/12 at 10:02am

None of them escaped the DNR button. Someone posted that the Australian release had, but I'll believe it when I see it, (not that I ever plan on buying it, I have the Japanese release).

That's very interesting. Is there anyone on here that could kindly confirm that the Australian version of the Skynet edition is DNR free?

How does the Japanese OOP theatrical cut compare to the Skynet edition in motion? Does it do anything better, other than the fact that no DNR was applied?

Answered your own question.

If you're happy enough with the Skynet version, the Japanese disc isn't worth the high price it fetches today. I paid around $40 for it, from a Hong Kong ebay seller not that long ago and was astonished to see recent prices for it. Personally, I can't stand the Skynet version.

But other than DNR, is the Japanese version cleaned up from print damage, has somewhat decent contrast (like the Skynet), minimal EE, no compression artifacts (again like Skynet), etc.?

No, it's the pre-Skynet masters, that originally appeared on HD DVD and the early UK BD. There's some dirt and print damage, but the compression is improved.

The compression on the Skynet release is not helped by a low-bitrate VC-1 encoding, as opposed to the Japanese AVC encodings, which puts both cut on a disc of its own.