The Official Sony Bravia KDL-Z5100 Calibration / Settings Thread. Post yours! - Page 5

Originally Posted by castaban

John,
I believe Sports scene uses Motionflow in High, did you leave in High?

Originally Posted by Johnnyb7

Hey guys...please clear some thing up for me...SCENE picture settings are just basically quick select options for various content that Sony thought would be appropriate...right? My thought is to use the various SCENEs with tweaks to make it easier for my family to enjoy the set. For example, I want my kid to be able to select GAME mode and enjoy the games with my tweaked settings. My other kid can choose CINEMA when watching a BluRay with my tweaked settings for that SCENE option. Then maybe AUTO(Custom) for merely watching HD SAT programs. The reason I ask if this will work is that I don't really see anyone using the SCENES option with tweaks...they seem to be using Auto and Custom.

Originally Posted by dsskid

I was watching the Hockey game last night (Isles vs. Nashville). While I generally enjoy the picture produced by my settings, the hockey games seemed a bit dull, especially the ice, which seemed a bit yellow. While the picture is accurate, I like to see the ice surface whiter.

So I experimented with the sport setting,which at default is excessively bright, and very blue in the grayscale. I proceeded to carry over my general/auto scene settings to the sport scene mode.

Rather than bump up backlight, contrast, brightness, gamma or switch to the warm 1 or nuetral temp setting (which introduces blue into the grayscale), because changing these settings affects the whole picture, and not just the ice surface, I tried engaging "clear white" setting. Using the clear white setting it appeared to whiten the ice service only, whether I set it to low or high, giving me the desired affect that I was looking for.

From there I switched between the scene modes and even turned the TV on and off. Know what? My settings stayed this time. Can't say what happened last time, perhaps a hiccup.

Then to see what inpact that this setting might have on other content (tv shows, movies, BD), I switched programming while still in the sport scened mode with "clear white" engaged. I was surprised not to notice any change. Engaging "clear white" didn't seem to affect skin tone or colors, or overall brightness. Jackpot! It seems that utilizing the setting only affected the picture where white is predominant in the scene (like the hockey ice surface), and seemed to "clean the ice up".

So in essence, I could leave this setting engaged for all content. Which would mean that I could add this setting to my general settings, and not have to switch "scene" modes for hockey games.

Keep in mind, I didn't pull out any equipment for this experiment, so it's simply a "by eye" observation. When I do my recal this weekend, I'll report back what my meter shows with the clear white setting on.

Just figured I'd mention this for all the Z5100 owners who are also hockey fans. You may want to give it a try and see how it works for you.

Originally Posted by Smarty-pants

That's really cool. I had been wondering if the Clear White setting was anything worth while or not. Unless there is a lot of white on screen, it doesn't appear to do much of anything, but something like hockey ice will certainly show a difference.
Anxious to see if it alters grayscale.

As for the warm2 setting, I always have trouble using it... from a personal observation standpoint anyway.
It just looks so yellowed to me on screen.
During a normal view out of the front window of my house, I see warm2, but on screen warm1 just looks so much better to me.
You say it introduces blue into the grayscale, but is there a way to get the pic to look a bit more neutral without using a setting that is so warm?

As always, thanks for your input and response.

Originally Posted by dsskid

I was watching the Hockey game last night (Isles vs. Nashville). While I generally enjoy the picture produced by my settings, the hockey games seemed a bit dull, especially the ice, which seemed a bit yellow. While the picture is accurate, I like to see the ice surface whiter.

So I experimented with the sport setting,which at default is excessively bright, and very blue in the grayscale. I proceeded to carry over my general/auto scene settings to the sport scene mode.

Rather than bump up backlight, contrast, brightness, gamma or switch to the warm 1 or nuetral temp setting (which introduces blue into the grayscale), because changing these settings affects the whole picture, and not just the ice surface, I tried engaging "clear white" setting. Using the clear white setting it appeared to whiten the ice service only, whether I set it to low or high, giving me the desired affect that I was looking for.

From there I switched between the scene modes and even turned the TV on and off. Know what? My settings stayed this time. Can't say what happened last time, perhaps a hiccup.

Then to see what inpact that this setting might have on other content (tv shows, movies, BD), I switched programming while still in the sport scened mode with "clear white" engaged. I was surprised not to notice any change. Engaging "clear white" didn't seem to affect skin tone or colors, or overall brightness. Jackpot! It seems that utilizing the setting only affected the picture where white is predominant in the scene (like the hockey ice surface), and seemed to "clean the ice up".

So in essence, I could leave this setting engaged for all content. Which would mean that I could add this setting to my general settings, and not have to switch "scene" modes for hockey games.

Keep in mind, I didn't pull out any equipment for this experiment, so it's simply a "by eye" observation. When I do my recal this weekend, I'll report back what my meter shows with the clear white setting on.

Just figured I'd mention this for all the Z5100 owners who are also hockey fans. You may want to give it a try and see how it works for you.

Originally Posted by KCinWhitby

This is really interesting. I love watching hockey on this TV. Even more than on my Pioneer Kuro. I too found the ice a bit yellow so for now I was using SPORT with a version of Wills settings. I think I dialed up the backlight to 4 and Brightness but it really made everything POP. Personally I love the Motionflow high for only this viewing. I haven't tried Standard though. I certainly had to play with the Audio for hockey as the announcers were really low.

SO when you say "I proceeded to carry over my general/auto scene settings to the sport scene mode." do you mean you used your blu ray settings (from previous post) and simply used Clear White "ON"?

Are you using your blu ray settings for HD televison also?

Originally Posted by dsskid

Yes and clear white set to low or high (but not on for BD).

Originally Posted by Will Munshower

KC,

Thank you for the kind words.

BTW, I'm going to give dsskid's settings a whirl once we get settled into the new house. I had to change wall colorings from a darker grey to a lighter one (Wife's idea, not mine!). Things look a bit off and I may want to look at this from a different perspective.

Originally Posted by Postal D

Disskid - I see that you are a Calibrator. Looks like this will be a great place to start once I have my Z5100 set up and warmed up. Will post my results...

Thanks for the shared effort ! (sorry to hear about the boiler)
Postal D

Originally Posted by tallgntlmn

I just received my 40Z5100. Now I need a stand for it. I guess I'll have to go through this thread then. Let me ask what has probably been rehashed elsewhere on the forum though.

A friend of mine said that Best Buy said the TV needs 600 hours of use before calibration? True or not? Should I experiment with what folks have listed here or just figure out what *I* like? I'm new to HDTV. I found a KILLER deal on this set and cannot wait to begin enjoying it.

Originally Posted by dsskid

Congrats on your set!

600 hours??? Just goes to show you how little they know.

What is Best Buy charging these days for a calibration?

Originally Posted by tallgntlmn

Thanks man. I found it at a ridiculous price. And it was shipped overnight when I thought it was going to be ground. I cannot wait to watch it. I just don't want to put it 52" off the floor and have a bad viewing angle. It pains me to wait though. LOL!

Yeah, well they are the same folks that say an HDMI cable is worth $100 for the cheap one. I think they charge around $300 for calibration. IIRC, I have heard the BB guys throwing out that number at times when I was looking there. That is also the amount my friend was telling me.

Originally Posted by dsskid

I used all my cable input Custom settings, General/Auto scene, which is Motionflow set to Normal, and Cinemotion set to Auto 2. The only thing I changed was the "clear white" setting. Motionflow set to High just doesn't work for me.

Originally Posted by csmith

dsskid,

Thanks for posting your settings.

Tried using your numbers, mostly great however I had MotionFlow set to standard, but kept freezing/skipping frames about every couple of minutes, so turned it off. Didn't try turning on Cinemotion though...may experiment with it.

Switching from watching hockey or college ball with Sports setting on to a movie really brought out the effect above.

Originally Posted by dsskid

I preferred to hang my display on the wall. Didn't want one of my nephews knocking it over. The mount I bought from Monoprice.com (sponsor here at AVSForum) was under $20.

John

Originally Posted by Smarty-pants

I too bought a very nice cheap mount, but from Parts Express and it's pretty much the same as the ones from Monoprice.
It has a nice locking features for extra safety.
I just happen to be ordering some things from PE when I got it, otherwise I'd have ordered for Monoprice.
Gone are the days where you have to pay a couple hundred dollars for a quality mount.
Most of these mounts that cost $20, you could hang an elephant on them and they would not budge.

Originally Posted by dsskid

Hey Dave,
I agree. Nice to see that the prices on these have come down, and they haven't sacrificed quality.

The Monoprice mount is pretty sturdy, and has an adjustable bottom clip, but unfortunately, I need a 13" philips screwdriver to tighten it in place.

The clips prevents someone from lifting up the bottom, and with the Z stand that I have underneath, it's pretty unlikey. I'll eventually get around to locating a long enough philips screwdriver.

Best,

John

Originally Posted by dsskid

Guys, I promised a recal this weekend, but unfortunately my boiler decided to take a cr@p on Sunday , and I had to have it replaced yesterday.

To be honest, I don't think I'm going to change my settings at all. I will take new readings this week, and post a report, but I really am satisfied the way it is set right now.

Here are my current settings:

Blu ray
Picture Mode .........................Custom
Scene ..................................Auto
Screen Aspect .......................Full, with "Full Pixel"
Backlight ..............................4
Picture .................................87
Brightness ............................50
Color ...................................46
Hue .....................................0
Color Temperature .................Warm 2
Sharpness ............................6
Noise Reduction ....................Off
MPEG Noise Reduction ............Off
MotionFlow ..........................Off
CineMotion ...........................Off

ADVANCED SECTION

Black Corrector .....................Off
ACE ....................................Off
Gamma ................................0
Auto Light Limiter ..................Off
Clear White ..........................Off

WHITE BALANCE

Red Gain .............................-14
Green Gain ............................0
Blue Gain ..............................0
Red Bias................................1
Green Bias ...........................-1
Blue Bias ..............................0

Originally Posted by jimform2k1

Hi,

I like these settings.

Based on the backlight of 4, I take it that you are not in a man-cave (as in a very dark room)?

Thanks

Originally Posted by dsskid


Blue Gain ..............................1


[color="Red"]

Originally Posted by slckofit

Hey I noticed that for Blue gain, I couldn't do +1. It starts at 0 and can only go negative.

Originally Posted by slckofit

Hey I noticed that for Blue gain, I couldn't do +1. It starts at 0 and can only go negative.