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post #1441 of 5086
9/23/09 at 12:56pm
yes. hdmi will take priority at that point. see page 22 of the manual for a thorough explanation.
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post #1442 of 5086
9/23/09 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

ToadMazter -- I noticed that nobody answered your question. Basically, the Optical/Coax audio connections cannot support the lossless audio (WMA, etc.). They have a restricted bandwidth (thanks to Hollywood & the recording companies - piracy paranoia). This is why those signals get transcoded to Dolby Digital (actualy DD+).

The only way to get the lossless (or higher bandwidth digital) audio is to use the HDMI connections (both audio and video, with HDCP) from your Xbox360 (if that is possible).

If your Xbox360 can decode the lossless digital audio to 5.1 (or 7.1, or even stereo) analog outputs (is this possible?), then you can send those signals to your 1019. Like I said, I am not familiar with the Xbox and don't know if that is even possible.


Thanks for your response. I can confirm the 1019 will decode lossless WMA Pro over optical/coax SPDIF connections. My test WMA files decode and play great from my SPDIF enabled PC. The XBOX360 is advertised as supporting "WMA Passthrough" via optical and HDMI, see here. I'm hoping some other 1019 and 360 owners have been successful and could share the secret to their success/ I have a support case logged with Microsoft, I'll update this thread when (if) it gets resolved.
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post #1443 of 5086
9/23/09 at 3:54pm
"My test WMA files decode and play great from my SPDIF enabled PC."

Please provide details on the settings/software used
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post #1444 of 5086
9/23/09 at 4:56pm
Hey guys, please help me try to tame down the brightness on this puppy a little, im using Direct and ALC, mostly ALC, and it's still pretty bright. I have it set to small speakers at 100 or 80. Any other settings to tame it down some on the BRIGHTISHHHHH side.
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post #1445 of 5086
9/23/09 at 5:13pm
^^^

- what do you have for speakers?

- have you adjusted the x-curve setting (see pg 98 of your manual)?

speaker size and the xover setting will have no effect on brightness...
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post #1446 of 5086
9/23/09 at 8:10pm
you and your damn ellipses. get a room already and have a 4-way punctuation orgy.



just kidding. I too am an ellipsis lovin' foo.
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post #1447 of 5086
9/23/09 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

- what do you have for speakers?

- have you adjusted the x-curve setting (see pg 98 of your manual)?

speaker size and the xover setting will have no effect on brightness...

I have polk monitor 50's and CS1 for center. They are a little bright but not super bright like Infinitys or Klipsch. Silk Dome tweets. It's not super bright sound im getting, but if it was just a LITTLE warmer less bright I would be happier. I realize you can only do so much with settings but atleast want to have best I can.
I have X-Curve on 1.5 and that did help a little.. What about the time response, I think it's on like 30-50, does that make a diff on brightness?? and is there any other settings I should be looking for??? does X-Curve 1.5 sound good???
I have a big open room with laminate flooring and thin rug soon will be finishing basement and more narrow room to put stuff in, im guessing that will help too. Any help would be appreciated.
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post #1448 of 5086
9/23/09 at 8:37pm
sounds like a room problem more than anything. not sure how much effort you want to expend on a temporary environment like that room.

That's seems far and away your biggest issue based upon the info you've provide thus far. Have you played with the treble level at all? Try progressively lowering that if you haven't already. Going a step further, dig into MCACC & play with the higher frequency bands, lowering some of those (haven't done it yet myself so I'm a little vague on the details).
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post #1449 of 5086
9/23/09 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by cyberized View Post

If you have Optical/Digital connected up for Audio and then connect up HDMI for Video/Audio.......will it default to the HDMI connection and thus you will still get audio? OR - do you have to disconnect the Optical/Digital?

TKS michael

You can use the "Signal Sel" button to choose between Digital Audio inputs. In "auto" mode, the default is HDMI...
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post #1450 of 5086
9/23/09 at 9:22pm
What would you recommend for Energy RC-MINI (80Hz-23000Hz) crossover/position setting?

Choices:Small/Large & 80Hz/100Hz/150Hz

To add, I have ESW-C8 subwoofer (36Hz-180Hz) which is pretty good entry-level performer for what I need.
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post #1451 of 5086
9/24/09 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by bogdan25 View Post

What would you recommend for Energy RC-MINI (80Hz-23000Hz) crossover/position setting?

Choices:Small/Large & 80Hz/100Hz/150Hz

To add, I have ESW-C8 subwoofer (36Hz-180Hz) which is pretty good entry-level performer for what I need.

I use 100 Hz with my minis. Small speakers; I've experimented with large for the fronts and "Plus" for the sub, still trying to see what my best setting is, but small speakers and a 100 Hz crossover seems to do the job.
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post #1452 of 5086
9/24/09 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I use 100 Hz with my minis. Small speakers; I've experimented with large for the fronts and "Plus" for the sub, still trying to see what my best setting is, but small speakers and a 100 Hz crossover seems to do the job.

bogdan25,
My setting is: "Large" for Main (RC-mini) and "Plus" for Sub. Crossover is either 100hz or 150hz, depending on the position of the RCmini. I found if I put the RCmini a bit closer to the wall, it helps the low end and I can set crossover to 100hz. Otherwise, if the RCmini is away from the wall and your subwoofer is position close to the front speakers, I would recommend 150Hz.

Hernanu,
Glad to see your post again. How's your experiment with the "Plus" setting with RC-mini? Would you mind share more detail?
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post #1453 of 5086
9/24/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I use 100 Hz with my minis. Small speakers; I've experimented with large for the fronts and "Plus" for the sub, still trying to see what my best setting is, but small speakers and a 100 Hz crossover seems to do the job.

Thank you, what would be the argument against 80Hz? The specs show that RC-MINI speakers support this range.
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post #1454 of 5086
9/24/09 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by avdigger View Post

bogdan25,
My setting is: "Large" for Main (RC-mini) and "Plus" for Sub. Crossover is either 100hz or 150hz, depending on the position of the RCmini. I found if I put the RCmini a bit closer to the wall, it helps the low end and I can set crossover to 100hz. Otherwise, if the RCmini is away from the wall and your subwoofer is position close to the front speakers, I would recommend 150Hz.

Hernanu,
Glad to see your post again. How's your experiment with the "Plus" setting with RC-mini? Would you mind share more detail?

I'm actually still using it. It works well, gives me (I think) better range. I am still looking for an argument against it, since some people in the Energy users forum recommend small all around and 100 Hz. I would probably see better results from this if my sub were better, that is my next adventure. The Large + performs really well, though so I'm happy with this setup.
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post #1455 of 5086
9/24/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by bogdan25 View Post

Thank you, what would be the argument against 80Hz? The specs show that RC-MINI speakers support this range.

The argument against 80 Hz is that although the Mini's are rated to that, it is close enough to the lower end rolloff of frequency response that you may actually lose some sound as the speakers roll off into the lower frequencies, so you may see a dip in response as your sub hands over control to the Mini's.

That's why some people will cross over speakers that are rated for 30 or 40 at 60 or 80, to effect a crossover into an area that they know their speakers are strong in. So it's a 20 Hz cushion to preclude dips in frequency response for whatever reason.
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post #1456 of 5086
9/24/09 at 10:45am
From the manual:

Front - Select LARGE if your front speakers reproduce bass frequencies effectively, or if you didn't connect a subwoofer. Select SMALL to send the bass frequencies to the subwoofer.
If you select SMALL for the front speakers the subwoofer will automatically be fixed to YES.

SW - LFE signals and bass frequencies of channels set to SMALL are output from the subwoofer when YES is selected. Choose the PLUS setting if you want the subwoofer to output bass sound continuously or you want deeper bass (the bass frequencies that would normally come out the front and center speakers are also routed to the subwoofer).2 If you did not connect a subwoofer choose NO (the bass frequencies are output from other speakers).

If you have a subwoofer and like lots of bass, it may seem logical to select LARGE for your front speakers and PLUS for the subwoofer. This may not, however, yield the best bass results. Depending on the speaker placement of your room you may actually experience a decrease in the amount of bass due low frequency cancellations. In this case, try changing the position or direction of speakers. If you can't get good results, listen to the bass response with it set to PLUS and YES or the front speakers set to LARGE and SMALL alternatively and let your ears judge which sounds best. If you're having problems, the easiest option is to route all the bass sounds to the subwoofer by selecting SMALL for the front speakers.
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post #1457 of 5086
9/24/09 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by bogdan25 View Post

From the manual:

Front - Select LARGE if your front speakers reproduce bass frequencies effectively, or if you didn't connect a subwoofer. Select SMALL to send the bass frequencies to the subwoofer.
If you select SMALL for the front speakers the subwoofer will automatically be fixed to YES.

SW - LFE signals and bass frequencies of channels set to SMALL are output from the subwoofer when YES is selected. Choose the PLUS setting if you want the subwoofer to output bass sound continuously or you want deeper bass (the bass frequencies that would normally come out the front and center speakers are also routed to the subwoofer).2 If you did not connect a subwoofer choose NO (the bass frequencies are output from other speakers).

If you have a subwoofer and like lots of bass, it may seem logical to select LARGE for your front speakers and PLUS for the subwoofer. This may not, however, yield the best bass results. Depending on the speaker placement of your room you may actually experience a decrease in the amount of bass due low frequency cancellations. In this case, try changing the position or direction of speakers. If you can't get good results, listen to the bass response with it set to PLUS and YES or the front speakers set to LARGE and SMALL alternatively and let your ears judge which sounds best. If you're having problems, the easiest option is to route all the bass sounds to the subwoofer by selecting SMALL for the front speakers.

So this is why you experiment with different configurations. I have my fallback ( 100 Hz crossover, small speakers), my current "let's see how this performs" (100 Hz crossover, fronts set as "Large", sub set to "Plus") and I'm giving it a good run to see if it is in fact better to my ear. So far it is, but I continure to look for negatives, since that is part of experimenting.

As far as the sub goes, placement of the sub itself plays a key role, doing the "Sub crawl" to find the best place to site it may be required, again to make sure that when your setup is complete, you have the best possible sound to your ear.
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post #1458 of 5086
9/24/09 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

So this is why you experiment with different configurations. I have my fallback ( 100 Hz crossover, small speakers), my current "let's see how this performs" (100 Hz crossover, fronts set as "Large", sub set to "Plus") and I'm giving it a good run to see if it is in fact better to my ear. So far it is, but I continure to look for negatives, since that is part of experimenting.

As far as the sub goes, placement of the sub itself plays a key role, doing the "Sub crawl" to find the best place to site it may be required, again to make sure that when your setup is complete, you have the best possible sound to your ear.

From the manual of RC-mini:
(1)Normally (in most cases), you should select "large" for RC-mini, set crossover at 100hz.
(2)In case it is a big room, or if you find the volume is not loud enough for you, and you want to increase the sound level, set RC-mini to "small", and set crossover to 100HZ. use sub to handle to low end.

My understand from reading this: Energy recommend using "large" for normal case. Use "small" only in high volume to protect RC-mini from damage by high volume low frequency sound (or maybe because RCmini can't handle well high volume low frequency sound.)
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post #1459 of 5086
9/24/09 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

you and your damn ellipses. get a room already and have a 4-way punctuation orgy.



just kidding. I too am an ellipsis lovin' foo.

it's a disease, i tell ya...

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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

sounds like a room problem more than anything. not sure how much effort you want to expend on a temporary environment like that room.

That's seems far and away your biggest issue based upon the info you've provide thus far. Have you played with the treble level at all? Try progressively lowering that if you haven't already. Going a step further, dig into MCACC & play with the higher frequency bands, lowering some of those (haven't done it yet myself so I'm a little vague on the details).

yea, it sure sounds like it... not exactly a "friendly" setup...
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post #1460 of 5086
9/24/09 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by avdigger View Post

From the manual of RC-mini:
(1)Normally (in most cases), you should select "large" for RC-mini, set crossover at 100hz.
(2)In case it is a big room, or if you find the volume is not loud enough for you, and you want to increase the sound level, set RC-mini to "small", and set crossover to 100HZ. use sub to handle to low end.

My understand from reading this: Energy recommend using "large" for normal case. Use "small" only in high volume to protect RC-mini from damage by high volume low frequency sound (or maybe because RCmini can't handle well high volume low frequency sound.)

Well, so far it's working fine. The Dark Knight is playing right now and the bass is kickin' and the whole setup is working like a charm. No complaints here...
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post #1461 of 5086
9/24/09 at 5:38pm
919 out of stock?
Seems like 919 is out of stock everywhere, while 1019 and 819 supplies are plenty. I wonder Pioneer may do it on purpose to boost sale of 1019 which are more profit, as the 919 and 1019 are really quite close in functions, yet big price difference.
What are the best deals you can find for 919 right now?
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post #1462 of 5086
9/24/09 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by avdigger View Post

From the manual of RC-mini:
(1)Normally (in most cases), you should select "large" for RC-mini, set crossover at 100hz.
(2)In case it is a big room, or if you find the volume is not loud enough for you, and you want to increase the sound level, set RC-mini to "small", and set crossover to 100HZ. use sub to handle to low end.

My understand from reading this: Energy recommend using "large" for normal case. Use "small" only in high volume to protect RC-mini from damage by high volume low frequency sound (or maybe because RCmini can't handle well high volume low frequency sound.)

Manual:

"The recommended setting for the RC-Mini and RC-Mini Center speakers is the “large” position. Set the crossover frequency to 100Hz. Energy does NOT recommend using any equalization function that your receiver offers when set to "LARGE",as this may damage your speakers."

- Can MCACC be considered as equalization function?

In a large room or when maximum output is required, set the speakers to "small" and the crossover to 120Hz.The Subwoofer must be activated by setting the “on” or “use” settings.

- What is the "large" room?
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post #1463 of 5086
9/25/09 at 10:37am
I have a VSX-1019, Samsung, BDP-1600 blurray, Sony 52Z5100 TV

I want to connect
Cable outlet (no cable box) -> 1019 -> HDMI -> TV
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Cable outlet (no cable box) -> TV

That way I can watch TV with or without the audio from the 1019
How do I do this?

Thanks for yr help.
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post #1464 of 5086
9/25/09 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by bogdan25 View Post

Manual:

"The recommended setting for the RC-Mini and RC-Mini Center speakers is the large position. Set the crossover frequency to 100Hz. Energy does NOT recommend using any equalization function that your receiver offers when set to "LARGE",as this may damage your speakers."

- Can MCACC be considered as equalization function?

In a large room or when maximum output is required, set the speakers to "small" and the crossover to 120Hz.The Subwoofer must be activated by setting the on or use settings.

- What is the "large" room?

It sounds like this is a disclaimer from Energy telling you not to push your speakers too far beyond their limits. MCACC does apply equalization, but hernanu has been running his RC-minis using the Plus setting for a while now and enjoys the sound.

Maybe someone else can chime in, but I'd say your room size can be classified somewhere in these ranges, based on the longest wall in the room (and this is just a pure out-of-the-air guesstimate):

12' and under - small
20' and over - large
the rest in the middle - medium

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Originally Posted by nextbond View Post

I have a VSX-1019, Samsung, BDP-1600 blurray, Sony 52Z5100 TV

I want to connect
Cable outlet (no cable box) -> 1019 -> HDMI -> TV
and
Cable outlet (no cable box) -> TV

That way I can watch TV with or without the audio from the 1019
How do I do this?

Thanks for yr help.

If you are getting your cable straight out of the coax cable from the wall, you can not run that through the 1019. What you'll have to do is plug that into your TV, then run a cable from your TV's audio output (whether is optical or the standard red/white RCA cables) and into the 1019.

This way you can have the receiver on or off, but your TV will always have sound.
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post #1465 of 5086
9/26/09 at 10:20am
I just bought a VSX-1019AH-K. I don't believe the video scaling is working or more likely, I don't know how to set it up correctly. I haven't been able to read through or effectively search the entire 49 pages in this thread... so if the answer is in here, I'd appreciate a pointer.

Here's the details:
- SA HD Cable box / DVR is connected to the VSX's Comp-1 input. Max resolution in 1080i
- DVD player is connected to the VSX's Comp-2 input. Max resolution is 480p
- TV is connected to VSX's Monitor Out Component. TV is older Mitsi HD model that is 1080i capable with no HDMI.

- When the cable box is the source the TV senses the input as 1080i. When the DVD player is the source the TV senses the input as either 480p or 480i (basically matches the setup of DVD player). How do I get the VSX to upscale to 1080i?

Thanks, Bryan
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post #1466 of 5086
9/26/09 at 12:43pm
I recently purchased a Pio 1019, and have completed the basic setup. It is working fine, but I have an issue I don't understand. I have my TV connected on HDMI 1 as well as a CD player, a DVR (not HDMI) and an iPod. When I turn on the the receiver it will first come on with the connection used at the time it was last turned off, then it sometimes switches to BD (which is not connected) for a few seconds, then it always goes to TV/Sat (also not connected). The display then says 96 kHz Stereo. I cannot understand why it won't stay on the prior connection or at least recognize HDMI 1 is connected. Can someone please tell me how to program it to go to HDMI 1 when turned on instead of TV/Sat? The useless manual is no help! Thanks in advance.
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post #1467 of 5086
9/26/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by hartlenb View Post

I just bought a VSX-1019AH-K. I don't believe the video scaling is working or more likely, I don't know how to set it up correctly. I haven't been able to read through or effectively search the entire 49 pages in this thread... so if the answer is in here, I'd appreciate a pointer.

Here's the details:
- SA HD Cable box / DVR is connected to the VSX's Comp-1 input. Max resolution in 1080i
- DVD player is connected to the VSX's Comp-2 input. Max resolution is 480p
- TV is connected to VSX's Monitor Out Component. TV is older Mitsi HD model that is 1080i capable with no HDMI.

- When the cable box is the source the TV senses the input as 1080i. When the DVD player is the source the TV senses the input as either 480p or 480i (basically matches the setup of DVD player). How do I get the VSX to upscale to 1080i?

Thanks, Bryan

I believe the video scaling is for the HDMI output only.

See Page 67 of the manual under the "RES" option of the Video Settings:

Specifies the output resolution of the video signal (when analog video input signals are output at the HDMI OUT connector, select this according to the resolution of your monitor and the images you wish to watch).

I wouldn't worry about it though. Most TV's can do just as well upscaling the image. Your TV will automatically upscale to it's native resolution (sounds like 1080i for you).
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post #1468 of 5086
9/26/09 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by bogdan25 View Post

"My test WMA files decode and play great from my SPDIF enabled PC."

Please provide details on the settings/software used

Sorry for the delayed response. Most recent soundcards or on-board motherboard audio chips should have support for "Digital Output". For the above test, I was using W7 RC1 x64 on my docked Lenovo T60P laptop. The docking station has a coaxial SPDIF port that I connected to the 1019 (used an RCA to F-connector adapter). I went to the W7 sound control panel and changed the default output from "Internal Speakers" to "Digital". I then had the option to adjust the settings 48 or 44kHz and 16 or 24 bit depth. Hope that helps.
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post #1469 of 5086
9/27/09 at 8:58am
Hello I just purchased a vsx-1019 and set-up is killing me. Here is the problem:

The sound is OK but seems under powered, I have Polk's. When I turn the sound up it's fine, but the receiver shuts off. I looked it up and found out about the phase control. I turn it off but it still does it. Also I have been unable to use the auto sound ste-up because it shuts off. I've turn off the phase control prior to running it and it still shuts offf. I'm wondering if I have a bad unit.

I've checked all of my contecctions and there are no lose wires, etc.

Any help would be great.
AB
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post #1470 of 5086
9/27/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by OrangeAnt View Post

Hello I just purchased a vsx-1019 and set-up is killing me. Here is the problem:

The sound is OK but seems under powered, I have Polk's. When I turn the sound up it's fine, but the receiver shuts off. I looked it up and found out about the phase control. I turn it off but it still does it. Also I have been unable to use the auto sound ste-up because it shuts off. I've turn off the phase control prior to running it and it still shuts offf. I'm wondering if I have a bad unit.

I've checked all of my contecctions and there are no lose wires, etc.

Any help would be great.
AB

which polks do you have, my polks work fine never shut off.
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