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post #1831 of 5086
11/7/09 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by batmobl View Post

I just purchased this AVR and connected it last night. Everything seems to be working fine. When I try to watch TV, I see the picture and also get sound. However, "HDCP Error" message is displayed on the AVR. I am not sure why I get the error message even though sound works.

Also if I want surround sound from all my 5 speakers, how would I get that?

I have everything connected via HDMI. Any help would be appreciated.

HDCP error means your HDMI connection handshaking is having some issues. It might be transient, which is why you see no issues, but you may be having a failure initially to establish a connections, but does so on a retry. The HDCP error doesn't apply only to sound, but to video as well.

I would check the HDMI connections, make sure the cables are seated correctly. If the problem persists, try a new cable, or change the sequnce for turning on your components. Example: I turn mine on as follows:

For TV: HDTV --> 1019 --> FIOS box
For HD-DVD: HDTV --> 1019 --> HD-A35
For Bluray: HDTV --> 1019 --> BDP-83

So on. Make sure to lengthen your delays, especially if you're using a universal remote. I increased the delays to make sure the HDTV is on and stable before I turn on the 1019, etc.

As to the 5 speakers, you should get some of that natively. If you turn to an HD broadcast which is 5.1 capable, you should get the DIGITAL message on the 1019 display, and all speakers should be live. There are many cases when stereo sound is the sound used on a broadcast, even when it is on an HD channel.

If you want the 1019 to translate stereo (2 speaker) sound to surround, you can choose to do so, I do. You need to select one of the translation modes to let the 1019 know that's what you want. To do this:

Look at pages 53, 54 and 55 of the manual. I use the Neo6 decoding now, but have also used the PLx decoding, and both do a good job of turning 2 channel sound to surround. I also set the advanced settings to EXT.STEREO (See pg. 55).
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post #1832 of 5086
11/7/09 at 1:12pm
I've been trying to get my 1019 setup to work with my DirectV DVR and my PS3, displayed to my Kuro Display and I appear to have no solution to my problem without a universal remote.

Problem: I want to press one button to turn on the DVR, the TV, and the receiver. I am able to do this using kuro link, however then the stupid TV tells the receiver to change to TV/SAT input, but I'm not using that input because I am only using HDMI to connect my components. So then I have to switch the receiver back to HDMI1 each time which is the DVR. I could assign an HDMI to TV/SAT, but only if I turn off Kuro link. If I turn off kuro link, I have to turn on the receiver separately.

Anyone know how to make the TV stop telling the receiver to change to TV/SAT whenever it talks to the receiver?

I was also looking for a way to watch the DVR without the receiver on, so I tried running the DVR straight to the TV and then optical out from the TV to the receiver. This works, however I don't get surround sound. I believe the Kuro display manual says that HDMI sources can't send surround sound out over optical because of HDCP rules.

So do I have a pioneer display and a pioneer receiver and I can't make them play nice together? Any suggestions?
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post #1833 of 5086
11/7/09 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by SnowBeer View Post

I was also looking for a way to watch the DVR without the receiver on, so I tried running the DVR straight to the TV and then optical out from the TV to the receiver. This works, however I don't get surround sound. I believe the Kuro display manual says that HDMI sources can't send surround sound out over optical because of HDCP rules.

I run HDMI from my DVR to the AVR for "serious" entertainment and component from the DVR to the TV for casual viewing.

-Scott
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post #1834 of 5086
11/7/09 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by SnowBeer View Post

I've been trying to get my 1019 setup to work with my DirectV DVR and my PS3, displayed to my Kuro Display and I appear to have no solution to my problem without a universal remote.

Problem: I want to press one button to turn on the DVR, the TV, and the receiver. I am able to do this using kuro link, however then the stupid TV tells the receiver to change to TV/SAT input, but I'm not using that input because I am only using HDMI to connect my components. So then I have to switch the receiver back to HDMI1 each time which is the DVR. I could assign an HDMI to TV/SAT, but only if I turn off Kuro link. If I turn off kuro link, I have to turn on the receiver separately.

Anyone know how to make the TV stop telling the receiver to change to TV/SAT whenever it talks to the receiver?

I was also looking for a way to watch the DVR without the receiver on, so I tried running the DVR straight to the TV and then optical out from the TV to the receiver. This works, however I don't get surround sound. I believe the Kuro display manual says that HDMI sources can't send surround sound out over optical because of HDCP rules.

So do I have a pioneer display and a pioneer receiver and I can't make them play nice together? Any suggestions?

You could run HDMI to the TV from the DVR, and optical from the DVR to the receiver. Make sure the DVR knows what you're doing (enable optical and HDMI) and you should get surround. I had that connection working for a while. Have the receiver enable Optical input.

The reason you're not getting surround is that since the TV is stereo, it can only output stereo even though the optical connection can carry 5.1 without a problem.

My advice - don't rely on KURO link, get an inexpensive Harmony remote. The older models can handle this kind of setup easily. I have a Harmony 670 and use it on three setups in my house (one per setup) - you can get one either new or refurbished for about $50-$70. Best thing to get for an AV setup. I've found that for my family, which includes many technophobes, having a single remote that uses very simple one button commands to turn everything on or off means we always use surround for watching TV.
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post #1835 of 5086
11/8/09 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You could run HDMI to the TV from the DVR, and optical from the DVR to the receiver. Make sure the DVR knows what you're doing (enable optical and HDMI) and you should get surround. I had that connection working for a while. Have the receiver enable Optical input.

The reason you're not getting surround is that since the TV is stereo, it can only output stereo even though the optical connection can carry 5.1 without a problem.

My advice - don't rely on KURO link, get an inexpensive Harmony remote. The older models can handle this kind of setup easily. I have a Harmony 670 and use it on three setups in my house (one per setup) - you can get one either new or refurbished for about $50-$70. Best thing to get for an AV setup. I've found that for my family, which includes many technophobes, having a single remote that uses very simple one button commands to turn everything on or off means we always use surround for watching TV.

Thanks for the info, maybe I'll get a harmony for xmas! I did take the route of using the optical to the AVR and the HDMI to the TV from the DVR, this has solved most of my problems.

The last thing I am struggling with is I can find no way of adjusting the Zone2 speaker settings. The Tone, EQ, and other sound controls don't effect it. I have some really nice speakers I wanted to use for Zone2 in order to listen to 2 channel stereo music, but they sound like crap because I can't adjust any of the EQ parameters that effect it. Any ideas there anyone? Same seems to be true in most parameters for using speakerB as the setup option as well.
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post #1836 of 5086
11/8/09 at 10:26am
I just made an order for the 919 model (on sale) and am upgrading from my older Sony STR DE-895 6.1 receiver primarily for the HDMI and hopefully for the sound quality. A couple questions...

So the Pioneer is labeled at 120 watts X 7 channels, if you are only using 5 channels, does the wattage increase?

I guess I should have researched a little more, but I just noticed in order to have the speaker b function, you have to take away 7.1 and make it 5.1. I have speakers in my upstairs room as well as outside, so it looks like I'll be using 5.1 for now. My question is, would it be possible to have the 7 speaker setup and if a movie features 7.1, could you make a quick banana plug switch and watch in 7.1? Would it be that easy, or do you have to change the setup completely with the AVR?

Finally, If speakers say they are Compatible with amplifiers and receivers rated from 10 to 150 watts per channel. Rated 4 - 8 ohms, should I use the 6 or 8 ohm on the receiver. I've read through endless topics on this, and everything seems to point me to keeping it at 8, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Thank You much and look forward to discussing more when I get this beast hooked up!
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post #1837 of 5086
11/8/09 at 10:39am
1) no. although there may be slightly more "real" wattage available (vs. "rated" wattage) due to less draw on the power supply. given what you told us so far about your speakers, the avr should drive them to painful levels with no issues (although i'm a bit confused about the "4-8 ohms" part. nominal ratings aren't variable). more details are always helpful.

2) yes, you need to change the setup in the avr. is it complicated? no. most mid and lower level avr's will be the same as this (i.e. they have 7 channels of amplification).

3) leave it at 8.
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post #1838 of 5086
11/8/09 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

1)given what you told us so far about your speakers, the avr should drive them to painful levels with no issues (although i'm a bit confused about the "4-8 ohms" part. nominal ratings aren't variable). more details are always helpful.
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Thanks for the quick response, I'm a little confused myself. They are Bose 301 (gift) and on the back of the speakers as well as the manual they say

Compatible with amplifiers and receivers rated from 10 to 150 watts per channel. Rated 4 - 8 ohms. IEC 75W Continuous 6 ohms. ? no idea, only thing anyone could tell me was to get different speakers hehe
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post #1839 of 5086
11/8/09 at 11:16am
they ought to be fine. leave avr at 8 ohms unless it goes into thermal shutdown (which i think is unlikely). if it goes into thermal, then (and only then) change the ohm switch on the avr.

they are what they are. are they the best speakers in the world? no. hook them up and use them. then start saving. upgradeitis is a disease that once caught, is impossible to get rid of, no matter how many times you upgrade...
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post #1840 of 5086
11/8/09 at 12:01pm
Thanks, I am saving for new speakers, upgradeitis can be an expensive disease!

When I was researching this product, I've seen a lot of people concerned about the volume and output. Recently in http://www.hometheatermag.com/receiv...er/index4.html they have this tested as

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 28.7 watts
1% distortion at 34.3 watts

That seemed pretty low, but I knew it wasn't going to be the 120 watts they advertise. Is this common for all receivers around this range or does this seem low? any issues?
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post #1841 of 5086
11/8/09 at 12:14pm
without knowing how others measure, i'd take a wag that it's probably in the range of most lower end avrs... the limiting factor in almost every avr (especially on the lower end) is it's power supply... i'd also guess that some will measure better, and some will measure worse... until you start climbing a ways up the ladder, the power supply of the avr is always going to be the weak link in the chain...

keep in mind that you aren't going to be listening to a continuous sine wave... also keep in mind that most users do not use anywhere near the amount of power that they think they do...

issues? dunno. i can't find a sensitivity rating for those speakers, other than blurbs that say "high sensitivity tweeter"... my "guess" is that they'll be fine...
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post #1842 of 5086
11/8/09 at 2:37pm
Yeah, I'm sure I'm over analyzing and thinking about it too much. My room is about 20' x 13' with low ceilings and it's working fine with an older Sony receiver so this shouldn't be worse. After reading that review again, it's really hard to pick out anything negative with this avr, everyone gives this thing props for the sound quality so it should definitely be an upgrade for me, can't wait to get it! I wonder if the majority uses the mcacc or they set it up manually. I'm sure I"ll have some questions once I get things connected.
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post #1843 of 5086
11/8/09 at 2:57pm
lol... nah, it's ok to over think it a bit... just don't do it AFTER you get it...

use mcacc... with very few exceptions, it's very accurate at setting speaker levels and distances, and the equalization works very well...

make sure you do the data check afterwards, just to make sure you don't get outlier results... if you have a spl meter, it also never hurts to a sanity check, but you should get very good results with the auto setup...

if you click on the 05/07 link in my signature, there's a very extensive and detailed write up on microphone positioning and so on... well worth a read, as most "problems" with mcacc setup are between the keyboard and the chair, if you get my drift...

good luck... and post back with any questions you have... there's many of us here who will help...
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post #1844 of 5086
11/9/09 at 7:31am
I'll try posting this one more time to see if I get a response...

Hello All....

Here's my situation... I have an LG BD390 BD player that has the ability to output at a frequency sampling rate of 48, 96 or 192hz... no matter what frequency sampling rate I set the BD player at, the receiver always reads an fs of 48hz... Is there something that my receiver isn't "seeing" that tells it it's receiving a 96 or 192 hz signal? What should I set the fs on the BD player??...

Thanks!!!
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post #1845 of 5086
11/9/09 at 7:43am
Can I set the crossover for the center speaker different than the front and surround ?
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post #1846 of 5086
11/9/09 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by qpham View Post

Can I set the crossover for the center speaker different than the front and surround ?

no. xover is global on all pioneer avrs.
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post #1847 of 5086
11/9/09 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by tnkgill View Post

I'll try posting this one more time to see if I get a response...

Hello All....

Here's my situation... I have an LG BD390 BD player that has the ability to output at a frequency sampling rate of 48, 96 or 192hz... no matter what frequency sampling rate I set the BD player at, the receiver always reads an fs of 48hz... Is there something that my receiver isn't "seeing" that tells it it's receiving a 96 or 192 hz signal? What should I set the fs on the BD player??...

Thanks!!!

I don't have an answer to your question, but perhaps you are confusing people when you say "frequency sampling rate of xxx Hz". Those numbers don't make any sense as an audio sampling frequency. Do you mean bitrate, measured in kbps (kilobits per second)?

P.S. I Googled "bd frequency sampling rate" and confirmed that you are probably talking about kpbs and not Hz. Incidentally, one of the hits brought me to a discussion that alludes to the fact that a BD player will put out the lower of the bitrate you set, and the bitrate at which the disc has been mastered, and that many BD discs are mastered @ 48kbps. Perhaps you need to look more closely at your BD discs to find out what is the actual bitrate on the disc?
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post #1848 of 5086
11/9/09 at 12:39pm
anyone have problems with audio getting stuck. it usually happens when fast forwarding pvr. when you stop the audio hiccups and you need to change channels and come back a few times to get it to stop. the picture is fine through all this. any help would be appreciate.

anyone have simple instructions for setting up zone 2? the manual is brutal.
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post #1849 of 5086
11/9/09 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by tnkgill View Post

I'll try posting this one more time to see if I get a response...

Hello All....

Here's my situation... I have an LG BD390 BD player that has the ability to output at a frequency sampling rate of 48, 96 or 192hz... no matter what frequency sampling rate I set the BD player at, the receiver always reads an fs of 48hz... Is there something that my receiver isn't "seeing" that tells it it's receiving a 96 or 192 hz signal? What should I set the fs on the BD player??...

Thanks!!!

What are you using as your source? There is a small number of media sources that are playing at those sampling rates. Some of the sources that can play at those sampling rates (192kHz, 96) are: TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA, DTS and PCM. The type of disks that you would need are: Bluray, DVD-A, SACD, and some types of DVD (DTS). The BD390 doesn't support playing DVD-A or SACD (although the 1019 / 919 can deal with their output), so most likely you are limited to Bluray.

Bluray is fine, but you have to have a recording that has used that sampling rate, and those are not easy to come by. One example of BD audio recordings at those speeds are the (Norway) company L2 which has started to put out 192kHz recordings on Bluray (audio), mostly classical (I think Divertimenti was their first). You'd have to get recordings like those either in LPCM, or any of the codecs which have been explicitly recorded at those sampling rates, in which case the 1019 would recognize it and decode it.

You can look at these recordings at any of the online vendors, sometimes they mention the sampling rate, which is usually 96k and sometimes 192. They can be expensive, but very good sound.
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post #1850 of 5086
11/9/09 at 7:01pm
Hi all,
I just bought a 1019 to replace an Onkyo 605 in my bedroom (needed more HDMI inputs). I also have 2 - Elite VSX-94TXH receivers and I love them.

Anyways, one of my devices is a DirecTV HR20-700 connected via HDMI. I have noticed a certain situation that occurs where I get no sound if the source is 2 channel PCM.
This happens if I power up the receivers (both the AVR and DirecTV) and the DirecTV receiver comes up on a channel that outputs Dolby digital. If I switch channels to say a non-hd channel that is outputting in 2 channel PCM, I get no sound. The AVR knows it is 2 channel because I see it change to display Dolby PLIIx. (which is how I want it to decode 2 channel PCM) The "fix" is to change the input on the AVR and then change it back to HDMI1. The display is exactly the same as when it didn't output any sound.

If the receivers power up and the DirecTV happens to be on a channel that outputs in 2 channel PCM, it will work just fine.

The way my HR20 is configured worked just fine with the Onkyo 605.

I was about to box it up and take it back, but I want to make sure that this isn't a known bug. If so, I will return it. I have seen a few people mention what sounds like a similar problem. (Posts 869 and 1598) I don't want to go through the optical cable route, since I had a 2 year old Onkyo that worked just fine.

Thanks,
Dino
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post #1851 of 5086
11/9/09 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by DinoT View Post


I was about to box it up and take it back, but I want to make sure that this isn't a known bug. If so, I will return it. I have seen a few people mention what sounds like a similar problem. (Posts 869 and 1598) I don't want to go through the optical cable route, since I had a 2 year old Onkyo that worked just fine.

Thanks,
Dino

Sounds like an optical cable would be easier than boxing that sucka up and taking it back, eh? If that's all that's buggin' ya about it, whip out that toslink. Simple fix for an otherwise great receiver for the money.
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post #1852 of 5086
11/9/09 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by lwien123 View Post

Sounds like an optical cable would be easier than boxing that sucka up and taking it back, eh? If that's all that's buggin' ya about it, whip out that toslink. Simple fix for an otherwise great receiver for the money.

I don't know that the optical cable would function properly. Even if it did, I wouldn't be happy using an optical cable. That would just be admitting that the receiver is not functioning properly. It is supposed to work, so I would expect it to do so.
I am curious to know if others with my setup are working properly (I am sure that there are lots of folks with an HR20 connected to their 1019). If they are, then I have a defective unit. If others are having this problem, then I'll go for another receiver.
I have 2 VSX-94TXH and an Onkyo TX-SR805 and they all work properly connected to a DirecTV HDDVR. I would have absolutely gone with the VSX-21TXH (Elite) but in my bedroom, I have 61" Slim DLP. The stand is very shallow. The 21TXH would over hang the shelf. Bummer.
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post #1853 of 5086
11/10/09 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by DinoT View Post

I don't know that the optical cable would function properly. Even if it did, I wouldn't be happy using an optical cable. That would just be admitting that the receiver is not functioning properly. It is supposed to work, so I would expect it to do so.
I am curious to know if others with my setup are working properly (I am sure that there are lots of folks with an HR20 connected to their 1019). If they are, then I have a defective unit. If others are having this problem, then I'll go for another receiver.
I have 2 VSX-94TXH and an Onkyo TX-SR805 and they all work properly connected to a DirecTV HDDVR. I would have absolutely gone with the VSX-21TXH (Elite) but in my bedroom, I have 61" Slim DLP. The stand is very shallow. The 21TXH would over hang the shelf. Bummer.

I think you're seeing a problem with HDMI processing. It's treating your connection as if it were DVI (picture, no sound). When you cycle through the inputs, you are forcing an HDCP handshake, which makes it recognize full HDMI capabilities, and you get sound.

I have this in a much smaller scale. I have a FIOS box which works well both on HD and SD, but I subscribe to Setanta Sports, a single SD premium soccer channel. When I tune that channel in, I lose sound and keep the video. I get the sound back by forcing a handshake (in my case, I go to the home menu and exit). I've put up with it because it is one channel which only I watch; it would be much worse if it were all SD channels.

A couple of suggestions:

1. Do you upscale the video at the DVR? I have my FIOS box force the resolution of everything to 1080i, so the 1019 never touches (hopefully) the signal. I notice that Setanta is identified as 720p when I force the handshake, maybe that is part of the issue, and forcing it to 1080i would help.

2. A different HDMI cable from the DVR to the 1019. HDMI is notorious for bad connections, maybe a cable with locking ends would be better for you.

Obviously, I'm still investigating this, but for the short term, an optical cable may not be a bad solution if you want to keep the 1019. Optical will handle this correctly, since I have the same DVR type on another area which works flawlessly with optical on the channel that I'm having trouble with using the 1019. Unless D* is broadcasting lossless codecs (TrueHD or DTS-HD-MA-...), the optical cable can carry all of the audio signals that any TV broadcast produces.

I agree that it is not something that should be happening.
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post #1854 of 5086
11/10/09 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

I think you're seeing a problem with HDMI processing. It's treating your connection as if it were DVI (picture, no sound). When you cycle through the inputs, you are forcing an HDCP handshake, which makes it recognize full HDMI capabilities, and you get sound.

I have this in a much smaller scale. I have a FIOS box which works well both on HD and SD, but I subscribe to Setanta Sports, a single SD premium soccer channel. When I tune that channel in, I lose sound and keep the video. I get the sound back by forcing a handshake (in my case, I go to the home menu and exit). I've put up with it because it is one channel which only I watch; it would be much worse if it were all SD channels.

A couple of suggestions:

1. Do you upscale the video at the DVR? I have my FIOS box force the resolution of everything to 1080i, so the 1019 never touches (hopefully) the signal. I notice that Setanta is identified as 720p when I force the handshake, maybe that is part of the issue, and forcing it to 1080i would help.

2. A different HDMI cable from the DVR to the 1019. HDMI is notorious for bad connections, maybe a cable with locking ends would be better for you.

Obviously, I'm still investigating this, but for the short term, an optical cable may not be a bad solution if you want to keep the 1019. Optical will handle this correctly, since I have the same DVR type on another area which works flawlessly with optical on the channel that I'm having trouble with using the 1019. Unless D* is broadcasting lossless codecs (TrueHD or DTS-HD-MA-...), the optical cable can carry all of the audio signals that any TV broadcast produces.

I agree that it is not something that should be happening.

hernanu,
Thanks for validating that this seems to be a problem on the 1019. I will indeed try a different HDMI cable (not holding my breath since it sounds like others have seen this problem) I could go with an optical cable but it would burn me up knowing that one of the main reasons I upgraded from my Onkyo TX-SR605 was for the additional HDMI ports and I would be using an optical cable.
If Pioneer has a fix, my guess is that this problem could be addressed with a firmware upgrade, but I would imagine that it would require a trip to a local repair shop.
I really like the Pioneer (I especially like the Pioneer receivers with class A/B amps) but I might have to look elsewhere. (Yamaha maybe) I know me, and it would just bug me that I'd be using optical.
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post #1855 of 5086
11/10/09 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by DinoT View Post

hernanu,
Thanks for validating that this seems to be a problem on the 1019. I will indeed try a different HDMI cable (not holding my breath since it sounds like others have seen this problem) I could go with an optical cable but it would burn me up knowing that one of the main reasons I upgraded from my Onkyo TX-SR605 was for the additional HDMI ports and I would be using an optical cable.
If Pioneer has a fix, my guess is that this problem could be addressed with a firmware upgrade, but I would imagine that it would require a trip to a local repair shop.
I really like the Pioneer (I especially like the Pioneer receivers with class A/B amps) but I might have to look elsewhere. (Yamaha maybe) I know me, and it would just bug me that I'd be using optical.

You've gotta do what makes you happy. I would, though try the video resolution settings in the HDDVR -

The NATIVE mode in your HDDVR changes resolution on the fly, depending on the input resolution. SD content would come in at 480i, HD content at 720p or 1080i depending on the source (some networks, ABC for example are 720p, others are 1080i). If the NATIVE mode is set, then each time you change channels, you are possibly changing resolution, and the 1019 has to redo its resolution. Check that setting (maybe it worked fine with your previous AVR). Play with it to see if that addresses this problem.

The reason I suggest this is that you say you are not having problems with HD sources, which tells me that no renegotiation of the HDCP handshake is happening with those. It's when you go from HD to SD that you run into issues. If everything is upscaled locally at the HDDVR, to the 1019 it looks like everything is in HD, which of course it is, since the conversion of 480i to 1080i (or 720p, depending on what you want) happens in the HDDVR.

Either way, you should get the best experience possible, and if that means getting a different AVR, then go for it. I do think some folks on here have a D* DVR and seem fine with it and the 1019.
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post #1856 of 5086
11/10/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by vttom View Post

I don't have an answer to your question, but perhaps you are confusing people when you say "frequency sampling rate of xxx Hz". Those numbers don't make any sense as an audio sampling frequency. Do you mean bitrate, measured in kbps (kilobits per second)?

P.S. I Googled "bd frequency sampling rate" and confirmed that you are probably talking about kpbs and not Hz. Incidentally, one of the hits brought me to a discussion that alludes to the fact that a BD player will put out the lower of the bitrate you set, and the bitrate at which the disc has been mastered, and that many BD discs are mastered @ 48kbps. Perhaps you need to look more closely at your BD discs to find out what is the actual bitrate on the disc?

@vttom... Thanks for the quick reply... The LG BD390 has a fs output of 48khz, 96khz and 192khz not hz.... Sorry about that!!.... I was watching The Dark Knight when I noticed the AVR was reading 48khz... I had set the BD player to output at 192khz... I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming that the BD was recorded at 48khz. Thanks again.
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post #1857 of 5086
11/10/09 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

What are you using as your source? There is a small number of media sources that are playing at those sampling rates. Some of the sources that can play at those sampling rates (192kHz, 96) are: TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA, DTS and PCM. The type of disks that you would need are: Bluray, DVD-A, SACD, and some types of DVD (DTS). The BD390 doesn't support playing DVD-A or SACD (although the 1019 / 919 can deal with their output), so most likely you are limited to Bluray.

Bluray is fine, but you have to have a recording that has used that sampling rate, and those are not easy to come by. One example of BD audio recordings at those speeds are the (Norway) company L2 which has started to put out 192kHz recordings on Bluray (audio), mostly classical (I think Divertimenti was their first). You'd have to get recordings like those either in LPCM, or any of the codecs which have been explicitly recorded at those sampling rates, in which case the 1019 would recognize it and decode it.

You can look at these recordings at any of the online vendors, sometimes they mention the sampling rate, which is usually 96k and sometimes 192. They can be expensive, but very good sound.

@hernanu... Thanks for the quick reply... I was watching The Dark Knight on BD using the TruHD codec.... The fs rate on the AVR was displaying 48khz. After reading your post I assume that the BD was recorded at 48khz... Is there a place on the disk or in the disk setup that shows what the fs rate of the recorded audio tracks are??? What do you suggest I set my BD player fs rate at by default (48, 96, or 192)????
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post #1858 of 5086
11/10/09 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by tnkgill View Post

@hernanu... Thanks for the quick reply... I was watching The Dark Knight on BD using the TruHD codec.... The fs rate on the AVR was displaying 48khz. After reading your post I assume that the BD was recorded at 48khz... Is there a place on the disk or in the disk setup that shows what the fs rate of the recorded audio tracks are??? What do you suggest I set my BD player fs rate at by default (48, 96, or 192)????

I think most 5.1 HT material is recorded at 48kHz. I think some stereo is stepped up to 96 ( I know I've seen that value); the 192 may be reserved for audiophile grade music recordings (BD, SACD, DVD-A). The source material determines the sampling rate being used, and any selection you make for default will probably affect what you do only by forcing a switch as the disk is read and the player recognizes the sampling rate.

I would leave it at 48kHz, since that's likely to be the most frequent type of disk you see. I imagine that once it sees a 96kHz or 192 kHz source, it will switch it to that.
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post #1859 of 5086
11/10/09 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You've gotta do what makes you happy. I would, though try the video resolution settings in the HDDVR -

The NATIVE mode in your HDDVR changes resolution on the fly, depending on the input resolution. SD content would come in at 480i, HD content at 720p or 1080i depending on the source (some networks, ABC for example are 720p, others are 1080i). If the NATIVE mode is set, then each time you change channels, you are possibly changing resolution, and the 1019 has to redo its resolution. Check that setting (maybe it worked fine with your previous AVR). Play with it to see if that addresses this problem.

The reason I suggest this is that you say you are not having problems with HD sources, which tells me that no renegotiation of the HDCP handshake is happening with those. It's when you go from HD to SD that you run into issues. If everything is upscaled locally at the HDDVR, to the 1019 it looks like everything is in HD, which of course it is, since the conversion of 480i to 1080i (or 720p, depending on what you want) happens in the HDDVR.

Either way, you should get the best experience possible, and if that means getting a different AVR, then go for it. I do think some folks on here have a D* DVR and seem fine with it and the 1019.

hernanu,
I will try this at home. I understand completely where you are coming from. I know that I am set to have native off and force 1080p. I did this because with native on, channel changes were a bit of a pain since you'd have to wait for the re-synching.
I wish Pioneer would make firmware updates available to end users. This problem screams of a firmware upgrade to fix.
There was a bug on the Elite VSX-94TXH that I seem to recall. It was only a problem with the display on the AVR and it happened with certain blu-rays with DTS-MA 7.1. But this too could have been easily solved with a code upgrade.

Thanks,
Dino
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post #1860 of 5086
11/10/09 at 2:01pm
I am thinking of getting the 1019 (as well as Polk Audio Monitor series speakers (CS1, 30s, 50s, and PSW10 sub). I have heard that the 1019 does not handle lower ohm impendance very well. I am looking at the Polk Audio Center Channel CS1 speaker...specs listed below. Will I have problems using the 1019 with the CS1? Thanks.

Model
Brand Polk Audio
Model CS1 Cherry
Spec
Type Center Channel Speaker
Sold As Single
Driver Units Mid/Woofer: 2 - 5.25" Diameter, Dynamic Balance Bi-laminate composite cone drivers, magnetically shielded

Tweeter: 1 - 1" Diameter, Dynamic Balance Silk/polymer composite dome, magnetically shielded
Power Rating 20 - 125 w/channel
Frequency Response 55Hz - 25kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Sensitivity 89 dB
Connectors 5-way binding posts
Dimensions & Weight 7" x 18" x 9.63"

13.00 lbs.
Features
Features Non-resonant all-MDF enclosure construction with 0.75"-thick baffles ensures cleaner, clearer, more lifelike sound quality.

Reversible-design cabinets can be turned upside down to aim "up" when placed under a video monitor.

Magnetic shielding for safe placement near TVs with no risk of video distortion.

Crossover: 2.3kHz, second order high and low pass

Enclosure Type: Vented via rear-mounted flared port
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