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post #241 of 5121
Cool, glad it worked, TusconJoe..
Your PS3, have you tried a different HDMI cable?.. your picture should be pristine.

This post is from the SC-05/07 threads, but hopefully, it may help with your PS3.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...6#post16372616
post #242 of 5121
Questions (still missing bass from rear speakers)

-Each time I run MACC am I overwriting the receivers previous settings? I don't want to screw up the settings too much, so hopefully
it just overwrites the old settings. I ask only because I considered resetting the AVR but I don't think that would be neccessary.
-When the PS3 comes on (with a game disc) the AVR reads Advanced Gaming. I thought it would say PCM (that was what last receiver would say) Is this correct?

Have made sure LFE is on. (Set at 0.0db)
Checked PS3 sound settings (All are as it should be)
post #243 of 5121
Hey all,
Just found this thread and am glad I did. I love the VSX-1019 so far, but am having some trouble setting up my surround sound.

Can the 1019 receive Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 signals via HDMI? Or do I need to use an optical/coaxial digital audio input for these formats? Right now I have HDMI from my DVD player to the receiver, and I'm not sure that I am getting the 5.1 feed. Could it be that my dvd player is just not sending a 5.1 feed via HDMI?

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Harpo
post #244 of 5121
Is any one else using DirecTV and the 1019 not getting SD channels through HDMI? HD channels come through just fine. I've read the other 2 posts.
post #245 of 5121
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Originally Posted by adam harpo View Post

Hey all,
Just found this thread and am glad I did. I love the VSX-1019 so far, but am having some trouble setting up my surround sound.

Can the 1019 receive Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 signals via HDMI? Or do I need to use an optical/coaxial digital audio input for these formats? Right now I have HDMI from my DVD player to the receiver, and I'm not sure that I am getting the 5.1 feed. Could it be that my dvd player is just not sending a 5.1 feed via HDMI?

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Harpo

The 1019 can receive DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 via HDMI. You should see something about Dolby Digital or DD+DPLIIX on the receiver display when it is receiving Dolby Digital.

I would check your DVD settings, maybe it isn't sending DD 5.1 over HDMI, or maybe the DVD you are watching doesn't have DD 5.1?
post #246 of 5121
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Originally Posted by Barmaticus View Post

Is any one else using DirecTV and the 1019 not getting SD channels through HDMI? HD channels come through just fine. I've read the other 2 posts.

Getting all channels just fine from Directv via HDMI. No issues at all.
post #247 of 5121
I have the 919 connected to Uverse through HDMI and optical. When I press the Signal Sel button it never cycles to other inputs. It just says "SIGSEL HDMI". I can get DolbyDigital on hd channels through the HDMI, but HD PPV and SD channels only come through as Stereo.

Any ideas as to why the signal sel button doesn't cycle when pressing it repeatedly? Thanks!
post #248 of 5121
First, I want to thank everyone on this thread who has offered help and advice. Thanks to you all, I just finished setting up my new 1019 and really did not have much trouble at all.
Now as to my question. I still have a collection of laserdiscs and a Pioneer player. All of them are in dolby surround but the only hookup is through composite (rca) connections. I have it plugged into the dvd input on the receiver. What audio setting should I use? I seem to be getting only stereo.
Thanks

Johnf
post #249 of 5121
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Originally Posted by hlindley View Post

I have the 919 connected to Uverse through HDMI and optical. When I press the Signal Sel button it never cycles to other inputs. It just says "SIGSEL HDMI". I can get DolbyDigital on hd channels through the HDMI, but HD PPV and SD channels only come through as Stereo.

Any ideas as to why the signal sel button doesn't cycle when pressing it repeatedly? Thanks!

Did you first assign both the HDMI and Optical to another input? You need to pick TV/SAT, DVD, DVR or similar as the input and use the OSD to assign the HDMI input and optical input to that. Then you can use the sig select to choose the digital signal over HDMI. Note: for any of this to work you need to turn Kuro Link off first.
post #250 of 5121
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Originally Posted by johnmford View Post

First, I want to thank everyone on this thread who has offered help and advice. Thanks to you all, I just finished setting up my new 1019 and really did not have much trouble at all.
Now as to my question. I still have a collection of laserdiscs and a Pioneer player. All of them are in dolby surround but the only hookup is through composite (rca) connections. I have it plugged into the dvd input on the receiver. What audio setting should I use? I seem to be getting only stereo.
Thanks

Johnf

You cannot ever get surround through RCA cables. You need to use coax, optical or HDMI to get multi-channel surround. You can use Dolby PLII, Neo:6 or Neural THX to approximate surround sound from 2 channel sources though. RCA is limited to 2 channels only.
post #251 of 5121
hlindley -- SD channels are only have mono or strero audio. Those programs were never recorded with surround sound audio.

HD-PPV movies may also be only in stereo - it depends on the channel and the movie being played. Some PPV movies are being broadcast only in Stereo, even though the original movie may have had surround sound audio in the movie theaters.

johnmford -- It depends on which LD player you have. You should use the Digital audio output, if your player has one, otherwise use the R/L Stereo ouput. The stereo output of most Pioneer LD players may have surround sound information multiplexed into those outputs (if it is encoded on the disc). Try one of the "Surround Sound" modes (see your manual - one of them should be able to extract the surround sound info - at least I can do that with my old VSX-1014). I also have lots of Laserdiscs and a several Pioneer LD players (including the very first LD player that Pioneer ever sold to consumers), and I can do that with my setup.

tex94 -- Not true, I have some LD's that have some surround sound encoded on the disc (and available via the R/L stereo connections). Dolby Labs was experimenting with this capability, at the time that LDs were being produced. Whether this can be extracted, however, depends on the LD Player.

You are correct in your listing of Audio modes that may work, one way or the other. The movie "2001" (on LD) is one example of having some, limited, surround sound info. Any LD surround sound will definitely not be output, if the VSX-1019 is set to one of it's Stereo modes. IIRC, I preferred the PLII (PLIIx) mode, but I haven't played a LD in a long time.
post #252 of 5121
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Originally Posted by johnmford View Post

First, I want to thank everyone on this thread who has offered help and advice. Thanks to you all, I just finished setting up my new 1019 and really did not have much trouble at all.
Now as to my question. I still have a collection of laserdiscs and a Pioneer player. All of them are in dolby surround but the only hookup is through composite (rca) connections. I have it plugged into the dvd input on the receiver. What audio setting should I use? I seem to be getting only stereo.
Thanks

Johnf

If the laserdisc player has multi channel analog outputs, that is the way to go to get the 5.1 outputs using RCA plugs, otherwise, there is no way to get the full surround. You could choose some of the processing choices for 2 channel which will give you that kind of sound.

(From the manual):

With two channel sources, you can select from:
• 2 Pro Logic IIx MOVIE – Up to 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to movie sources
• 2 Pro Logic IIx MUSIC – Up to 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to music sources1
• 2 Pro Logic IIx GAME – Up to 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to video games
• 2 PRO LOGIC – 4.1 channel surround sound (sound from the surround speakers is mono)
• Neo:6 CINEMA – 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to movie sources
• Neo:6 MUSIC – 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to music sources2
• Neural THX – Up to 7.1 channel sound, especially suited to music sources3

Those may be good choices if you have two channel and want to get surround sound.
post #253 of 5121
hernanu -- FYI, no LD players had multi-channel audio outputs (unless they were modified, after sale). Some did have digital (SPDIF) outputs (coax and/or optical).
post #254 of 5121
Ok folks - just finished setting up my system with my brand spankin' new 1019. It took me about 3 hours, but I took my time doing this.

Setup was easy. My previous AVR (Sony STR-DG600) was a multi-channel AVR, so my cable count has gone down quite a bit. I got rid of one multi-channel set of RCA cables, two optical cables. HDMI all the way, connections from a BD player (OPPO 83), an HD-DVD player (HD-A35) and a Verizon FIOS motorola box. I added one HDMI cable, from the AVR to the HDTV.

My main delay was not seeing the setup display, which was getting me ticked, I finally checked the connections and sure enough, did not connect the TV to the output

Ran the MCACC and it set things up perfectly. The sound was excellent (and definitely improved) on HD DVD on several sources - Batman Returns, That's Entertainment, I Robot (SD) - then the FIOS was again excellent on 2 and surround channel. I used the tuner for regular radio music, haven't tried CD yet, but am expecting good things.

Loving this box. I shut down the KURO link, set up the inputs (renamed a couple) and at the end of all, re programmed the Harmony 670. My wife came home, used the remote and got the exact same results (and commented on the sound).

Will investigate more, but basically moving into enjoying all the media now.
post #255 of 5121
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

hernanu -- FYI, no LD players had multi-channel audio outputs (unless they were modified, after sale). Some did have digital (SPDIF) outputs (coax and/or optical).

I figured, but since I don't know enough about these, just in case.....
post #256 of 5121
Thanks to everyone who answered on my laserdisc question.
Looks like I have some more experimenting to do. Another question; After running the speaker setup I found that no matter what audio settings or adjustments I did I had the same impression. The action sequences sounded fine but the quieter sequences were too quiet. I found myself turning up the volume only to turn it down again when the action heated up. However, when I discovered the "direct" function, everything seemed to fall into place. What I want to know is, what am I missing by using this setting. Thanks again.

johnf
post #257 of 5121
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Originally Posted by johnmford View Post

Thanks to everyone who answered on my laserdisc question.
Looks like I have some more experimenting to do. Another question; After running the speaker setup I found that no matter what audio settings or adjustments I did I had the same impression. The action sequences sounded fine but the quieter sequences were too quiet. I found myself turning up the volume only to turn it down again when the action heated up. However, when I discovered the "direct" function, everything seemed to fall into place. What I want to know is, what am I missing by using this setting. Thanks again.

johnf

Nothing, depending on the source. It's my preferred setting for my BD player. It just means it outputs the same format as on the source and it applies the MCACC settings for your speakers. The only downside is if you want to take a 5.1 source and matrix it to 7.1 then you cannot. Same thing for 2-channel sources. For that reason, I do not use it except for blu ray. On TV I like my 2 channel sources to be use DD PLII to get 5.1.
post #258 of 5121
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post


tex94 -- Not true, I have some LD's that have some surround sound encoded on the disc (and available via the R/L stereo connections). Dolby Labs was experimenting with this capability, at the time that LDs were being produced. Whether this can be extracted, however, depends on the LD Player.

You are correct in your listing of Audio modes that may work, one way or the other. The movie "2001" (on LD) is one example of having some, limited, surround sound info. Any LD surround sound will definitely not be output, if the VSX-1019 is set to one of it's Stereo modes. IIRC, I preferred the PLII (PLIIx) mode, but I haven't played a LD in a long time.

Very interesting. I never had heard of that before or even knew it was possible.
post #259 of 5121
Hello all,

I purchased this receiver on Friday and have gotten it set up today. Mostly happy with it so far, with a few exceptions...

I have my Xbox 360 set up on port HDMI 1, with both video and audio being sent to the receiver over HDMI. I have my Xbox 360 audio set to "Dolby Digital 5.1".

When I go through menus, play a game, etc. I get great sound from all speakers. However, when I watch a downloaded movie or stream a Netflix movie, I lose all sound. The receiver displays "Stereo" (presumably because it went from DD 5.1 to a stereo sound stream) but it won't play anything at all. I've tried every possible listening mode I can think of when this happens and I still can't get any sound to come out.

I stream all my Netflix through my 360 so this is pretty obnoxious. Any idea what's going on?

Thanks!

EDIT: Just noticed another strangeness ... I set my OPPO upscaling DVD player to play through the DVD input. I set the DVD input to use HDMI-2 for Digital Input and Coax-1 for audio input. When I'm watching the movie, I don't get any sound (the OPPO only sends video, not audio, over DVI/HDMI). But if go to the [RECEIVER] settings menu while the movie is playing, the audio will start playing- presumably because it's no longer displaying the HDMI-2 audio. Is there no way to separate the HDMI-2 video stream and the COAX-1 audio? If so, um...
post #260 of 5121
Hi quick questions about the 919 or 1019. How does the unit do with heat? I presently have a Yamaha 463 which stays pretty cool thus works on my TV stand shelf which would only give the pioneer an inch to an inch and a half of ventilation on top.

Also, can someone confirm that the OSD can be achieved through HDMI? I know the 819 will not.

Thanks in advance!
post #261 of 5121
Okay, I solved the problem with my OPPO.

If you have disabled KURO Link and have set up an input to use HDMI video and non-HDMI audio, you need to use "Input Select" (button "4" on the remote) to manually select your audio stream. Otherwise, it will look for the audio stream on the HDMI cable (and not find it).

Back to the 360...
post #262 of 5121
I have twice had a problem now that I can't even begin to understand the source of. It has been while watching Dish receiver, live stuff not DVR. Suddenly, the center channel will disappear. Other 4 channels will play, but the center dialog speaker is gone. After some time or just messing with every setting I can think of, the center channel will come back. No idea what is happening, When it went bad the second time I tried changing channels with no success, they all were missing the center speaker. Does anyone have any idea of what might be happening and why. This has occurred twice in about two days after going for weeks with no problems at all. Thanks.

Harry
post #263 of 5121
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post

The Pioneer really handled music beautifully. I tried a CD, an iPod via the USB interface, and an iPod via RCA inputs. CD sounds fantastic and I was pleasantly surprised by how great the iPod with USB sounded too. When you use this setup the Pioneer is using its quality DACs instead of the cheaper ones in the iPod and it makes a really big difference. Still, even with an iPod and RCA connections the Pioneer had a really nice balanced sound and were quite powerful. I don't think you will be disappointed with music from this unit at all.

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Originally Posted by tkbryant View Post

Just finished playing with the iPod setting and it works way better than I anticipated. The sound is much nicer and more CD like than I thought possible.

It's still MP3 but it sounds much richer.

How about using a lossless format like WAV format when ripping CD?
post #264 of 5121
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Originally Posted by jayinla View Post

Hi quick questions about the 919 or 1019. How does the unit do with heat? I presently have a Yamaha 463 which stays pretty cool thus works on my TV stand shelf which would only give the pioneer an inch to an inch and a half of ventilation on top.

Also, can someone confirm that the OSD can be achieved through HDMI? I know the 819 will not.

Thanks in advance!

I have a 919 connected via HDMI, and the only time I see the on screen display is when I am in the Home Menu. I don't see anything when I am switching sources, or checking settings, or anything else.
post #265 of 5121
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post

Very interesting. I never had heard of that before or even knew it was possible.

You can extract surround information from two channel sources using a Matrix decoding method like Dolby Pro-Logic or Pro-Logic II.

Back in the day, we used our Pro-Logic receivers to be able to get surround information from VHS HI-FI, and Beta HiFi VCR's, as well as Laser Discs.

Later Laser Disc players had Dolby RF AC-3 outputs, which allowed you to extract discrete surround soundtrack with the appropriate AC-3 decoder.
post #266 of 5121
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Originally Posted by aross99 View Post

You can extract surround information from two channel sources using a Matrix decoding method like Dolby Pro-Logic or Pro-Logic II.

Back in the day, we used our Pro-Logic receivers to be able to get surround information from VHS HI-FI, and Beta HiFi VCR's, as well as Laser Discs.

Later Laser Disc players had Dolby RF AC-3 outputs, which allowed you to extract discrete surround soundtrack with the appropriate AC-3 decoder.

I was just about to post the same thing, how soon they forget! kids these days..
Dolby Pro-Logic was used on many VHS hifi and LD movies, they very much supported surround.
Now it's not quite the same as multiple discrete channels now, but it certainly was surround, so saying that you can not get surround through 2 channel RCA was wrong from the get go..

Diane
post #267 of 5121
Several people have brought up issues that I thought I would comment on. Note that my experiences may not relate to other people's problems:


1. Power-On for Remote. Cant turn on the AVR with the remote and have to have to hit the power button on the AVR. This, I believe, is a KURO link issue. When I turn KURO-OFF,cant turn on the AVR with the remote. KURO-ON, I have no problems. Just another gremlin associated with that dreadded KURO feature.
**update** Turned off ANYNET+ on my TV (similar to KURO but by Samsung) and it solved this issue.


2. Powered subwoofer doesnt turn on: The sub would not detect any signals from the AVR to turn on. MCACC set the sub crossover and volume for the sub too low to actually turn on the sub. Adjusted both settings and fixed the problem.
post #268 of 5121
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Originally Posted by Chillout View Post

Several people have brought up issues that I thought I would comment on. Note that my experiences may not relate to other people's problems:


1. Power-On for Remote. Cant turn on the AVR with the remote and have to have to hit the power button on the AVR. This, I believe, is a KURO link issue. When I turn KURO-OFF,cant turn on the AVR with the remote. KURO-ON, I have no problems. Just another gremlin associated with that dreadded KURO feature.


2. Powered subwoofer doesnt turn on: The sub would not detect any signals from the AVR to turn on. MCACC set the sub crossover and volume for the sub too low to actually turn on the sub. Adjusted both settings and fixed the problem.

Hmmmm... I've got no problem turning the AVR on/off with the KURO link off.
Both on the regular remote and a Harmony remote.
post #269 of 5121
I have KURO link off and also have no problem turning on my receiver with my remote (I use a two-step macro to turn on my KURO and the receiver).

I have an separate amp for my sub, and since the receiver doesn't have a switched outlet (who was the genius who got rid of that???), I purchased an APC powerstrip with a automatic switched outlet. When the receiver comes on the external Sub amp comes on...
post #270 of 5121
I fixed my Xbox audio issue by changing it from using the TV/Sat input - assigned to use HDMI-2 - to simply the "HDMI-2" input.

I think there's some sort of HDCP handshaking issue with using the HDMI port for both video and audio when it's not assigned to one of the four "HDMI inputs" (BD and HDMI 1-3).

Anyhow, it took a bit of finagling but I finally got everything up and working. The audio quality is stunning compared to my old Onkyo, and the video upscaling is totally decent. Recommended, just get ready to tweak the input settings til the cows come home. And don't expect the manual to be any help.
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