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post #3391 of 5086
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

I understand that, but the Energy at their size will not be able to handle a full range load and will be damaged imo. For me I'd rather keep them on "small" and not have the bass until I can get a sub than run them as "large" until then and risk damaging them.

I keep them on "small" until i got the subwoofer. Thanks
post #3392 of 5086
quick question for 919 owners,

can you adjust the crossover settings PER speaker? or does it do it old school and you have to set a 'general' crossover point for all speakers.

Thanks for the replies gents.
post #3393 of 5086
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Originally Posted by jomari View Post

quick question for 919 owners,

can you adjust the crossover settings PER speaker? or does it do it old school and you have to set a 'general' crossover point for all speakers.

Thanks for the replies gents.

Do any AVR allow this? Doesn't seem like one should want this feature.
post #3394 of 5086
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

Do any AVR allow this? Doesn't seem like one should want this feature.

yes, this has been a default feature for a number of AVR's including onkyo and sony to name a few.

for what its worth, it does help out for those who have fronts that can handle a good amount of the lower frequencies.

just a flexibility question thats all.

So, can anyone confirm for me we can do this?
post #3395 of 5086
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can you adjust the crossover settings PER speaker? or does it do it old school and you have to set a 'general' crossover point for all speakers

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Do any AVR allow this? Doesn't seem like one should want this feature.

My Denon 989 lets me change the crossover per speaker using the Audyssey manual mode.

My 6 year HK 325 allows me to change the crossover per set. So I can change the fronts, center or surrounds seperately to whatever crossover I want, but not individually the left and right speaker. I currently have my fronts set to 60hz, center at 80 and surrounds at 100hz.
post #3396 of 5086
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Originally Posted by jomari View Post

quick question for 919 owners,

can you adjust the crossover settings PER speaker? or does it do it old school and you have to set a 'general' crossover point for all speakers.

Thanks for the replies gents.

Old school. Other AVRs do allow it (thanks afrogt) this one doesn't.
post #3397 of 5086
For those who are interested and still waiting. Amazon currently shows the 919 in stock and sold by Amazon. They also show that 6ave has a few 1019s, but amazon direct has none.

I finally got tired of waiting for my 919 from J+R and picked up a VSX-21 for just about the price of a 1019.
post #3398 of 5086
I am looking at buying one of these 1019 units. I noticed that it was released in April '09. What's the chances there is a new, updated unit being released in April-ish '10?
post #3399 of 5086
^^^

assuming pioneer is still in business, it's almost a certainty that a "replacement" for the 1019 will happen in that time frame...

the great majority of consumer avr's (and virtually all in the lower price ranges) are "replaced" on a yearly basis...
post #3400 of 5086
I am old guy. This is for music through house. I want to hook A and B sets where B is on a selector box to send the feed to various speakers. It looks like I should use "surr back system" speaker B setup. I am getting error L message. Any suggesstions would be helpful. No 5.1 etc. set-ups - just simple left and right speaker systems.
post #3401 of 5086
So i just picked up this receiver today. i hooked it up and figured i would give it a try. i threw a BluRay in my PS3 and started watching it but i noticed that the audio and video didnt sync up. the words didnt match up with the lips moving and whatnot. any idea whats going on and how i can fix it
post #3402 of 5086
I have the following setup
Direct TV hdmi > reciever
PS3 hdmi . reciever
wii composite wii cable > tv in on reciever
ipod

klipsch c-3 center
klipsch f-3 left and Right
klipsch s-3 surround left and right
Definitive Pro 1000 sub

Center speaker set on large
Left and Right set on small
Rears are set as sides on small

the Center is set on 9.5 db
L and R are set on 8.5
Surrounds are set on 9.5
sub is on 8.0

Issues...

1. I should not have to have the speaker levels so high to get loud high quality sound. The left and right channels sound pathetic on direct tv.
2. PS3 Blu Ray Star Trek newest one...sounds like small laser fire are almost inaudible. And voices are drowned out by music.
3. Sound levels on direct tv and Ps3 are loud enough for me at 17 db on the reciever but on radio and ipod the db level is loud at only 30 db
4.Direct TV sports ie Nascar and basketball games dont wow me at all.

Any suggestions?
post #3403 of 5086
Skippy
p.64, 4th box down - DELAY.
post #3404 of 5086
Old Guy-
p.95, item 2, SPEAKER B. Allows use as A/B speaker switching.
post #3405 of 5086
^^^

yes...

for #1... given the sensitivity of those speakers, unless you are trying to fill a concert hall, if those offset numbers are positive, i'd pretty much guarantee user error on mcacc set up....

try this...

- set center channel to "small"...

- re-run mcacc carefully following the directions given in the mcacc thread...

for #2...

that's the way the movie is mixed... check the thread on that movie and you'll see that...

for #3...

those aren't unreasonable "numbers" at all...

for #4...

you'll have to define what you want by "wow"...
post #3406 of 5086
I've worn out the manual and made it through most the the 114 pages in this thread but... Why am I not getting anything on Zone 2 when watching TV in both zones.

Details:
2 zone setup
HDMI from sat box to reciever
Assigned HDMI 1 input to "watch tv"
Autosurround inut selected
No sound regradless of input signal type
Tuner input works fine in Zone 2 (haven't tried other sources)

I wanna hear the health care summit while I take a crap. What am I missing?
post #3407 of 5086
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Originally Posted by kowalskisean View Post

I wanna hear the health care summit while I take a crap. What am I missing?

Could have done without this..

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Originally Posted by kowalskisean View Post

I've worn out the manual and made it through most the the 114 pages in this thread but... Why am I not getting anything on Zone 2 when watching TV in both zones.

Details:
2 zone setup
HDMI from sat box to reciever
Assigned HDMI 1 input to "watch tv"
Autosurround inut selected
No sound regradless of input signal type
Tuner input works fine in Zone 2 (haven't tried other sources)

I wanna hear the health care summit while I take a crap. What am I missing?

The 1019 can only send analog signals to Zone 2. HDMI is a digital signal, so it won't go through. The only digital signal that gets sent to your second zone is iPod / USB and that's only on the 1019.

What you want to do is to connect your source (let's say the sat box) by analog RCA cables to the TV/Sat in analog inputs on the receiver, select those for Zone 2 and that should do the job. Leave the HDMI connection intact, you still want to use that for your main zone.

Other sources have the same issue. If you want to listen to music, then connect your CD or DVD player by analog to the DVD input.
post #3408 of 5086
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Originally Posted by kowalskisean View Post

Skippy
p.64, 4th box down - DELAY.

your a genius!! thanks
post #3409 of 5086
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Originally Posted by myjeep4x400 View Post

I have the following setup
Direct TV hdmi > reciever
PS3 hdmi . reciever
wii composite wii cable > tv in on reciever
ipod

klipsch c-3 center
klipsch f-3 left and Right
klipsch s-3 surround left and right
Definitive Pro 1000 sub

Center speaker set on large
Left and Right set on small
Rears are set as sides on small

the Center is set on 9.5 db
L and R are set on 8.5
Surrounds are set on 9.5
sub is on 8.0

Issues...

1. I should not have to have the speaker levels so high to get loud high quality sound. The left and right channels sound pathetic on direct tv.
2. PS3 Blu Ray Star Trek newest one...sounds like small laser fire are almost inaudible. And voices are drowned out by music.
3. Sound levels on direct tv and Ps3 are loud enough for me at 17 db on the reciever but on radio and ipod the db level is loud at only 30 db
4.Direct TV sports ie Nascar and basketball games dont wow me at all.

Any suggestions?

How big is the room? My AVR is plenty loud in a 16x16 ft and cathedral ceiling.
What gauge speaker cables do you use? I'm not very sure, I think mine are 14 or 16. The thicker the better.
How long are your speaker cables - the shorter the better. My fronts are 6ft or so.
How was the microphone positioned? Should face up, be at ear level and if that means on a couch, you may be better off raising it above the backrest.
Were there any obstacles between the mike and the speakers. I move my cocktail table away when I run MCACC. I like the result better that way.
Where there any noise makers during the calibration - a loud fridge or airconditioning, voices?
If you clear a memory or try an unused memory with the default levels, distances and a flat EQ, is the dialog standing out better and is the volume around -20dB somewhat satisfactory?
post #3410 of 5086
Does anyone know if the subwoofer test tone in the MCACC for this receiver is 20hz or is it higher? I ask because i am buying an SPL meter tomorrow and i read on Aperion University that the meter is only accurate down to 32hz therefore you need to add around 7db to your measurement to ensure proper level.Can anyone help with this so i do it right the first time?
post #3411 of 5086
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

yes...

for #1... given the sensitivity of those speakers, unless you are trying to fill a concert hall, if those offset numbers are positive, i'd pretty much guarantee user error on mcacc set up....

try this...

- set center channel to "small"...

- re-run mcacc carefully following the directions given in the mcacc thread...

for #2...

that's the way the movie is mixed... check the thread on that movie and you'll see that...

for #3...

those aren't unreasonable "numbers" at all...

for #4...

you'll have to define what you want by "wow"...

ll try that, I set up the system myself after I ran the setup. The setting it gave were way to low and it was like I was listening to a dvd home theater setup. Bland, no pop, system turned up loud 15 db main volume and it sounds marginally better than just my tv speakers.
post #3412 of 5086
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Originally Posted by gunsmoker View Post

How big is the room? My AVR is plenty loud in a 16x16 ft and cathedral ceiling.
What gauge speaker cables do you use? I'm not very sure, I think mine are 14 or 16. The thicker the better.
How long are your speaker cables - the shorter the better. My fronts are 6ft or so.
How was the microphone positioned? Should face up, be at ear level and if that means on a couch, you may be better off raising it above the backrest.
Were there any obstacles between the mike and the speakers. I move my cocktail table away when I run MCACC. I like the result better that way.
Where there any noise makers during the calibration - a loud fridge or airconditioning, voices?
If you clear a memory or try an unused memory with the default levels, distances and a flat EQ, is the dialog standing out better and is the volume around -20dB somewhat satisfactory?

14 gauge wire, 5 ft in length, room is 20 x 12 20 long 12 wide mic was at ear level no coffee table no noises i even went two rooms over so it couldnt hear me breathe. Default setting produce almost nothing but center speaker out put almost non existent side rears, the left and right for the size of those f-3 should sound a lot better ie louder crip, hear foot steps walking past etc i spent a lot of money, well alot of money for me, on this system I want it to sound like a small theater. Not like a $120 dvd home theater system
post #3413 of 5086
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Originally Posted by myjeep4x400 View Post

ll try that, I set up the system myself after I ran the setup. The setting it gave were way to low and it was like I was listening to a dvd home theater setup. Bland, no pop, system turned up loud 15 db main volume and it sounds marginally better than just my tv speakers.

-15db isn't "loud", it's well under reference level... you seem to have some misconceptions about how the volume scale works on the avr....

"set up yourself"... with a spl meter, correct?

it's always possible that mcacc is producing an outlier result for you... but judging from what you've said in your posts, i think you need to be just a tad more careful in your setup...

edit: you may "want" it to sound like a small theater... but keep in mind that there is a lot more to it than merely speaker eq/leveling... tell us what your room looks like and what is in it...
post #3414 of 5086
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

-15db isn't "loud", it's well under reference level... you seem to have some misconceptions about how the volume scale works on the avr....

"set up yourself"... with a spl meter, correct?

it's always possible that mcacc is producing an outlier result for you... but judging from what you've said in your posts, i think you need to be just a tad more careful in your setup...

edit: you may "want" it to sound like a small theater... but keep in mind that there is a lot more to it than merely speaker eq/leveling... tell us what your room looks like and what is in it...

Setup myself means I took the mcacc level and adjusted the speaker volume levels myself for about 3 hours trying to make it sound decent. the room is basic 4 walls 20 x 15 or 12 and 2 couches.
post #3415 of 5086
again, re-run... your trim levels are WAY too high... setting them by ear borders on worthless...

IGNORE what is on the display of the avr for "volume level", unless you can get past the fact that you "think" the numbers are too high... for example, when i'm watching a movie, the volume level on my pio avr is generally around -5... and i can guarantee you that it's not underpowered...

"size" (as in "how big is the speaker") doesn't equate to "sound quality"...

rugs? windows? openings to other room? 20X15 or 20X12 (yes, it matters)? speaker positioning?

there's no magic bullet here... if you want good results, you may have to work at it a bit, and you'll have to be willing to provide us with specific information...
post #3416 of 5086
I thought my system sounded a little bright so i looked at the eq and was suprised.My mains and center are SVS SCS-01 with 2 6 inch woofers and a silk tweeter. The MCACC trims everything on the bass side into the negatives,and jacks up the mid band while leaving the high end flat.If i wanted a little more mid-bass from my fronts,how much and what band or bands would i adjust?Of course my speakers are set to small and sub is at 80hz in the avr,disabled at the sub.It sounds pretty good right now but when i turn it up to movie levels it's a bit much.
post #3417 of 5086
^^^

prof, have you tried adjusting the x-curve parameter? that might help a bit, since you are saying you notice it more a movie levels...

when you reference "brightness", that's a function of the higher frequencies, and would be addressed by cutting those (edit: killing a few of the first reflections wouldn't hurt either), not boosting the mid-range (especially since it's already boosting the mid-range, you don't really want to boost TOO much)...
post #3418 of 5086
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

prof, have you tried adjusting the x-curve parameter? that might help a bit, since you are saying you notice it more a movie levels...

when you reference "brightness", that's a function of the higher frequencies, and would be addressed by cutting those (edit: killing a few of the first reflections wouldn't hurt either), not boosting the mid-range (especially since it's already boosting the mid-range, you don't really want to boost TOO much)...

I would do that but honestly i have no idea how to correctly do that as not to mess up my sound.The highs are eq'ed flat at the moment.My understanding from my youth that the middle band of the eq is the voice section.MCACC seems to like setting the middle band much higher than the rest and the low end in the negative. Since i do have your attention could you answer my previous question? I'm getting an spl meter tomorrow and i have read that they are only accurate down to 32hz.Aperion audio advised that if the test tones for your sub are 20hz then you need to adjust your readings by 7db or so.My question is what frequency are the MCACC bass test tones produced at? I need to know so i can adjust accordingly if needed.I'm also curious as to which is better,the analog or digital radio schack spl meter?
post #3419 of 5086
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Originally Posted by profchaos71 View Post

I thought my system sounded a little bright so i looked at the eq and was suprised.My mains and center are SVS SCS-01 with 2 6 inch woofers and a silk tweeter. The MCACC trims everything on the bass side into the negatives,and jacks up the mid band while leaving the high end flat.If i wanted a little more mid-bass from my fronts,how much and what band or bands would i adjust?Of course my speakers are set to small and sub is at 80hz in the avr,disabled at the sub.It sounds pretty good right now but when i turn it up to movie levels it's a bit much.

I have a similar scenario. The fix for me was to play with the timing parameter in the EQ pro manual calibration. Start with 30-50ms and keep reducing the time parameter and rerunning EQ pro until you get something you like. In the end I still trimmed manually 1.5dB at 4kHz on all channels and bumped the 125Hz up by 1.5dB on the fronts. I think I chose the 10-20ms setting, but it depends on the room. It's hard to determine that from the reverb measure graphs and maybe that's why the auto MCACC does not do it and uses a wide time interval.
I also used the 3-point standing wave calibration option of EQ pro. I like the results better this way. The standing wave filters end up very different with the 3-point measure, although the standing wave compensation has very little effect in my case.
No need to play with the X-curve. Especially in your case when the highs are flat, it will crush them even more. With the smallest setting - 0.5dB/oct at 2kHz, it will be -1dB@4kHz, -1.5dB@8kHz, and -2dB@16kHz.
post #3420 of 5086
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Originally Posted by gunsmoker View Post

I have a similar scenario. The fix for me was to play with the timing parameter in the EQ pro manual calibration. Start with 30-50ms and keep reducing the time parameter and rerunning EQ pro until you get something you like. In the end I still trimmed manually 1.5dB at 4kHz on all channels and bumped the 125Hz up by 1.5dB on the fronts. I think I chose the 10-20ms setting, but it depends on the room. It's hard to determine that from the reverb measure graphs and maybe that's why the auto MCACC does not do it and uses a wide time interval.
I also used the 3-point standing wave calibration option of EQ pro. I like the results better this way. The standing wave filters end up very different with the 3-point measure, although the standing wave compensation has very little effect in my case.
No need to play with the X-curve. Especially in your case when the highs are flat, it will crush them even more. With the smallest setting - 0.5dB/oct at 2kHz, it will be -1dB@4kHz, -1.5dB@8kHz, and -2dB@16kHz.

Thanks for the info.I will try it tomorrow when i set it all up with a meter.By any chance do you know if the sub test tone is 20hz or is it higher?
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