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post #241 of 4719
Quick follow-up: I do have two serious questions about these sets. (1) Does anyone know how many local dimming "zones" or clusters these tvs have? I'm told the 55" has 240 zones, which is awesome, but I'd like to know about the 42" and 47", too. (2) Similarly, has anyone learned how many individual LEDs each tv has in its backlight? The numbers on these two variable are very, very important for ultimate image quality.

Yours,

David
post #242 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Silverfox1 View Post

Is their any validity to this thread and could this be the reason for the big price shift ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1159087

NO LH90 just came out. From what I see there is no price shift anywhere else
post #243 of 4719
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Quick follow-up: I do have two serious questions about these sets. (1) Does anyone know how many local dimming "zones" or clusters these tvs have? I'm told the 55" has 240 zones, which is awesome, but I'd like to know about the 42" and 47", too. (2) Similarly, has anyone learned how many individual LEDs each tv has in its backlight? The numbers on these two variable are very, very important for ultimate image quality.

Yours,

David

240 for the 55, less for the 47. The 55 has approx 3,000 LED's stated by an LG Rep at CES. No other info, sorry.

I believe the number of LED's and zones are posted on the new LH93/95 sets
post #244 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

NO LH90 just came out. From what I see there is no price shift anywhere else

Thanks, Chris since this rumor needs to be resolved quickly. Some of the largest citys in the U.S. still dont have the LG or Tosh in stock for folks to see on display and most of the large B&M stores in the west & south dont even have them in their system.

Regards,
post #245 of 4719
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Originally Posted by flyers View Post

240 for the 55, less for the 47. The 55 has approx 3,000 LED's stated by an LG Rep at CES. No other info, sorry.

I believe the number of LED's and zones are posted on the new LH93/95 sets

Hi flyers,

Thanks for that. 3,000 really is excellent. I see now why the lh90 performed so well at the shootout. To my eyes, the only place where it really stumbled was in handling motion. It got spanked pretty hard there, but someone there mentioned that much of that could be attributable to the 240hz motion smoothing being turned on. Those reference patterns do not seem to be at all forgiving to frame interpolation software.

Yours,

David

P.S.: If anyone else has access to the numbers on the 42" and 47", please do post it!
post #246 of 4719
Was anyone posting on here actually at the shoot out in person to be able to comment on the set?
post #247 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Lindseybp View Post

Was anyone posting on here actually at the shoot out in person to be able to comment on the set?

Hi Lindseybp,

I was. On Saturday night I sat front and center right in front of the LG55lh90 with the Pioneer KRP 500M right above it. That's how I know about the motion handling problem.

Even with that one problem, the LG was a beautiful, beautiful thing to behold. Especially given how cheap these suckers are at ClevelandPlasma right now, I'd say they're a great deal. It was very, very highly rated by D-Nice and the other professional calibrators at the shootout. It was one of my favorites, too. Watching it handle color patterns so easily, with the Panasonic V10 plasma right above it struggling even to approach an acceptable image for the 100% magenta (seriously--it was lavender), I was impressed. I honestly didn't expect them to come in at such a low price point, so this is a nice surprise.

Yours,

David
post #248 of 4719
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi Lindseybp,

I was. On Saturday night I sat front and center right in front of the LG55lh90 with the Pioneer KRP 500M right above it. That's how I know about the motion handling problem.

Even with that one problem, the LG was a beautiful, beautiful thing to behold. Especially given how cheap these suckers are at ClevelandPlasma right now, I'd say they're a great deal. They were very, very highly rated by D-Nice and the other professional calibrators at the shootout.

Yours,

David

Thoughts on the Toshiba?

Here is the info on the new LG's if interested. Of course these WAY more expensive than the LH90

"LG have announced the 55-inch LG 55LH95, and LG 55LH93 LCD HDTVs. Both have a claimed 5,000,000 dynamic contrast ratio, 240Hz refesh, and 3,360 LEDs."
post #249 of 4719
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Originally Posted by flyers View Post

Thoughts on the Toshiba?

Here is the info on the new LG's if interested. Of course these WAY more expensive than the LH90

"LG have announced the 55-inch LG 55LH95, and LG 55LH93 LCD HDTVs. Both have a claimed 5,000,000 dynamic contrast ratio, 240Hz refesh, and 3,360 LEDs."

Hi flyers,

The Toshiba looked pretty good to me, too, but not as good as the LG. Its black levels were not as strong as the LG's except when the LG rep turned on its little auto-dimming AI. Also, the colors were not as crisp and accurate as the LG's (to my eyes). Still, I'd take one of those Toshibas over the edge-lit Samsung LCD and the Sony XBR9 they had there.

Yours,

David
post #250 of 4719
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi flyers,

The Toshiba looked pretty good to me, too, but not as good as the LG. Its black levels were not as strong as the LG's except when the LG rep turned on its little auto-dimming AI. Also, the colors were not as crisp and accurate as the LG's (to my eyes). Still, I'd take one of those Toshibas over the edge-lit Samsung LCD and the Sony XBR9 they had there.

Yours,

David

Were you able to see them both pre-calibration?
post #251 of 4719
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi flyers,

The Toshiba looked pretty good to me, too, but not as good as the LG. Its black levels were not as strong as the LG's except when the LG rep turned on its little auto-dimming AI. Also, the colors were not as crisp and accurate as the LG's (to my eyes). Still, I'd take one of those Toshibas over the edge-lit Samsung LCD and the Sony XBR9 they had there.

Yours,

David

Thank you for your comments David.
post #252 of 4719
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Originally Posted by mr grumpy View Post

Were you able to see them both pre-calibration?

Hi mr grumpy,

Nope. The shootout only featured calibrated sets.

Yours,

David
post #253 of 4719
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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Hi mr grumpy,

Nope. The shootout only featured calibrated sets.

Yours,

David

Thanks
post #254 of 4719
Grumpy, the LG will probably get the nod for OTB Settings as it offers a THX Mode & the Toshiba does not.
post #255 of 4719
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Originally Posted by BFJ 96 View Post

Grumpy, the LG will probably get the nod for OTB Settings as it offers a THX Mode & the Toshiba does not.

But can the average user calibrate each individual color on the LG like the Tosh?

I dont recall the LG menu capabilities.
post #256 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Silverfox1 View Post

But can the average user calibrate each individual color on the LG like the Tosh?

I don't recall the LG menu capabilities.

This is where the Toshiba shines IMO Silverfox, but in the ControlCal measurements, the LG did better in Color Gamut. Which for me was very surprising.

I think the ability to access the ISFcc Option within the LG's Service Menu is why the LG calibrated so well cause if you notice the LG was calibrated in ISF-1 (NIGHT) & ISF-2 (DAY)
post #257 of 4719
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Originally Posted by BFJ 96 View Post

This is where the Toshiba shines IMO Silverfox, but in the ControlCal measurements, the LG did better in Color Gamut. Which for me was very surprising.

I think the ability to access the ISFcc Option within the LG's Service Menu is why the LG calibrated so well cause if you notice the LG was calibrated in ISF-1 (NIGHT) & ISF-2 (DAY)

Thanks for the reply. I sure wish someone could post a few digital pics of this LG since most everything I have seen to simply judge the aesthetics of it looks like a drawing on the various websites.

Regards,
post #258 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Silverfox1 View Post

Thanks for the reply. I sure wish someone could post a few digital pics of this LG since most everything I have seen to simply judge the aesthetics of it looks like a drawing on the various websites.

Regards,

I also would like to see some screens of this set in action as it seems like it's not in many stores
post #259 of 4719
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Originally Posted by EricP2 View Post

Somewhat of an update.

Blu-rays look amazing! I still get the small break up with the 240hz set to high but it's not happening as much. I think I still prefer to have the setting on low.
As far as the viewing angle, I can't really comment on that as I have a small room and this tv fills it up. From what I have seen it's not bad at all though.

240hz has A LOT of break up on high setting when playing halo 3. Again I put it on low of off, can't really decide which I like better cause both have pros and cons.
Playing guitar hero metallica, I didn't have any break up that I noticed but that also could be cause I'm only focusing on the 5 moving circle.

If you have any specific questions or something that you would like me to try, I'll do my best to answer them.

What are the pros and cons of having the 240Hz turned on/off for gaming? I'm guessing increased motion handling with 240Hz on but that it also introduces input lag? Also, with the setting on low, are there any breakups during movie viewing?
post #260 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post

Are you talking about the:

"I couldnt stand how every time a white background would be displayed the backlight would fluctuate from white to a dirty white then back again.. "

issue?

This is my mom's TV, so I don't have a ton of time to play with it. I got some help with the camera settings and I'll try some more photos tonight.

I can't/won't pull here 36" CRT back up into the TV room (It must weigh 2x the 47" LCD). I might grab here little CRT out of the RV. What is the lag test and how do you want it setup? I do NOT see any lag in the audio/video from the DISH Vip722.

I also only have 1 "good" source for her TV (DISH Vip 722 connected with a 12' Monoprice HDMI cable-Premium 24AWG HDMI 1.3a). I also don't own an Xbox 360 or PS3 to test any kind of games.

It sounds like the CRT in your moms RV is a TV, correct? The test can only be done with a CRT monitor, unless that small CRT TV has a VGA or DVI input, which I highly doubt.

The lag test would require you to hook up the TV and CRT at the same time from the computer. Your video card would need either two VGA outputs, two DVI outputs, one of each, or you'd need a splitter. You then run the TV and CRT in dual-monitor mode and run a stop-watch program so that you can take pictures of the two screens with a camera on a high shutter speed setting. When you look at the times on the pictures, the difference between them is how much input lag the HDTV has. Typically, CRT monitors have 0ms of input lag, so that's why they are ideal for the test.

I understand if you are not up to it, as it does take a bit of time and you may not have all the components. It's just that these new 120Hz/240Hz TV's add a lot of input lag due to processing, even when game mode is enabled.
post #261 of 4719
davidjschenk why was the LG 50ps60 ranked so low?
post #262 of 4719
Seeing alot of chat about all the sets that where reviewed over the weekend and buy chad and I in the last 3 months. Keep in mind guys these are ALL great sets.

There is not one solid answer for everyone or every application. The best set is the one "you" pick as you are the one who gets to use the display devise daily.
post #263 of 4719
Based on its shoot-out performance, the LH90 series appears to be a great value. Prices for comparable LD LED displays, including the Toshiba, are higher. I think the AVSForum has once again discovered a "Mine That Bird" -- for you Kentucky Derby fans.

Unless I see something radically better in the next few weeks, I'm going to pull the trigger on a 47LH90, to use my favorite AVS saying.
post #264 of 4719
SHOOT-OUT RESULTS PDF

Wonder why the LH90 did so poorly with blacks, perhaps it was crushing them?

Doesn't look like it did very well with motion either.
post #265 of 4719
I think I give up on the photo thing. I've tried different settings on the cameras and I can't seem to get a good photo. Here is what I got tonight.

I'll also add that I noticed some weird movement around Liz's hair in Hellboy2. That might have been due to the 240hz thing.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG2.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG3.jpg

My Samsung, just playing with more settings on the camera.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...s_999/SAM1.jpg
post #266 of 4719
Did you notice the weird movement with her hair on the low or high setting for 240Hz.
post #267 of 4719
I think it is still set to High, I forgot to check that when I setup the Wizard on the HDMI input.

I also took a short video of the Peerless Mount in action

Peerless Mounts
PLA50-UNLP Articulating Wall Arm (Black, not the Gloss Black)
for 32"- 50" Plasma and LCD Screens Weighing Up to 150 lb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQjYQ1mZaU
post #268 of 4719
Strange, the audience preferred the blacks of the Toshiba yet the Toshiba's measured black level was .02 FtL while the LG went down to .002 FtL.
post #269 of 4719
Well I went and picked up the 55LH90 from BB last night in Raleigh, NC. The guys must of been really nice, as they pricematched the clevelandplasma price+shipping.

They didnt have any on display so I made them drag one out and hook it up to a BR source. I dont think you can go wrong on this panel if you have a room that cant be light controlled so need a matte panel.

They had it next to the the LH40 panel and the difference was night and day. That on top of the price they gave me convinced me this was the set for me.

Pictures incoming when I get home from work and get it set up.
post #270 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post

I think I give up on the photo thing. I've tried different settings on the cameras and I can't seem to get a good photo. Here is what I got tonight.

I'll also add that I noticed some weird movement around Liz's hair in Hellboy2. That might have been due to the 240hz thing.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG2.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...cs_999/LG3.jpg

My Samsung, just playing with more settings on the camera.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...s_999/SAM1.jpg

Thank you very much for the photos !
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