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post #4471 of 4715
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Originally Posted by vze33jng View Post

I finally have an update, but you aren't going to like it any more than I do.

LG has been in touch with me for several months about the optical output issue. I have been told that part of the delay involves a complete lack of communication channels between LG-USA and LG-Korea. Also, I was told that they were using my exact hardware (BS) to re-create the situation and come up with a fix. I have been told that a new firmware is in development to address this particular issue, and that it would only apply to my TV (more BS).

Finally, I was told that they had a fix!!! According to them, I needed to be downgraded to a previous firmware (undisclosed version) on a USB drive, then have the service remote change some EDID. Not exactly what they said they were doing, but if they dropped the ball on this aspect of the Tv in the first place, I'm not exactly surprised to find them telling me one thing and doing something else.

Last Friday, a technician appeared at my door. He had the service remote and nothing else. He tried to follow the instructions (he had written down from an email, a real techie, this guy) for accessing the EDID screen, but couldn't find it. He called tech-support and a fellow named Mark told him I needed a new AVR. The fix had been performed and the receiver still didn't see the DD5.1 stream, so it must be on my end. Except that the tech didn't DO anything. He just looked at menus and exited them. He hung up with tech-support and explained that Dolby Digital is just hype, and I should be able to live without it. Yay! (Maybe i'll sell my 55" LCD in favor of a 19" black and white tube TV, since it's all just hype anyway)

I emailed the Customer service rep I had been in touch with all this time, then called him, and he was troubled that the technician didn't have a clue what to do. He said he sent explicit instructions and that it should be obvious what to do and how. He set up a repeat service call to the same tech with a new set of instructions to follow. Two days ago (Friday again), the same tech showed up with the same piece of paper he had from before and no USB stick. I asked him where the software update was, and he said, "Oh, the cigarette lighter? That's what I call those. That won't fix this. You need a new mainboard. Those customer support guys don't fix anything; their job is to make people happy." He proceeded to go into every screen he could with the service remote, but nothing was where his hand-written notes said they should be.

He called tech-support again, and the fellow on the other end told him he needed to replace the mainboard. He told me he would be happy to do it, but he knows that I don't want to. He said he'd just lay the TV down on the floor and take 30 or so screws out and pull the case and swap boards. Easy-peasy. Oh well that I've already had the TV calibrated... my loss. Oh well that I have tree kids and my carpet is the absolute last place my TV should be face-down.

He left it in my court. He says he know the firmware won't do anything. He is waiting for my phonecall to schedule service.

Final results
Time spent: 7 months
Reps on the phone: 3
Possible solutions proposed by LG : 4
Times I have been told what to want: 6
Number of channels passing to my AVR: 2
The only good thing to come from this: LG entended my warranty by another year (though in my state, I get 4 anyway). I also got the model number for the service remote in case I want to buy it on ebay.

Maybe I should argue that they purchase me a new AVR, or at least a switch to cycle between four optical sources.

This isn't over, for me.

As far as laying the set down on the carpet, hopefully you have a nice clean soft blanket to protect the screen, or even a clean sheet of cardboard as the bezel would keep the screen from scratches.

As far as the calibration, can you make a copy of the settings, and be able to transfer them to the new MB.
Would they change that much, maybe someone else could chime in and advise you, but I know I would at least try.
Best of luck,
post #4472 of 4715
Sorry for your loss of time, Graham.

I kind of knew nothing would ever happen. It's just not important enough to LG (read, percentage of customers affected by) to actually invest resources in a fix.

I'm quite certian a new mainboard will not do anything either. I'd resigned to that fact quite a while ago. I simply have redundant connects of audio from my "appliances" to get what I want at all times. eg. for the STB, I have coax dig going to a component switcher (being used to aggregate coax audio only from all my "appliances"), while the HDMI from the STB goes directly to the TV.

TV's optical out goes to the AVR's TV optical in. If programming exhibits sync issues, I switch the AVR to DVD coax in, switch the component switcher to port for the STB, and effectively bypass the TV, eliminating the sync for that program.

BTW, in case you forgot, I do not have the same model as you guys here. I have a much "lesser" plasma model and only participated here because the thread for my model is not active-- and the sync problem effects most of LG's product line (many don't realize it at all, some don't care).
post #4473 of 4715
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Originally Posted by vze33jng View Post

Some may recall that I (along with alster and some others) had noticed that the LH90 isn't forwarding DD5.1 along the optical output as designed and stated in the manual.

Where in the manual does it state that DD5.1 audio is supposed to be forwarded from an HDMI input to the optical out? From my experience with my LH90, DD5.1 is only forwarded to the optical out if I'm using the QAM tuner as the input source.
post #4474 of 4715
I finally took delivery of my 55LH90 on Monday. Two homies in an Enterprise van showed up on time but, didn't make me feel very good. But the set checks out OK. Great price and service from Adorama!

BTW, my serial number sticker on back seems to be crinkle at the corner. Like someone tried to peeled it off. Perhaps they applied these stickers by hand at the factory. Can someone check your sticker, do they wrinkle at corner too?

Regardless, PQ on this set is incredible. Now to head over to calibration thread for some tweaking advice...
post #4475 of 4715
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Some members found the Lip sync problem more than they could bear, others never saw it. Usually those using AVRs, didn't notice the problem, just those using the Internal Speakers. So if you are using an AVR, the older MB and FW may solve your problem.

I don't know what is causing the lip-sync issue, but everything I've read in this thread leads me to believe it has nothing to do with use of the internal speakers or with an external AVR. Instead, it has everything to do with whether you route audio THROUGH (HDMI in, optical audio out) the TV or not. Few have any problem if they use the TV's internal speakers or if they route directly from the audio source to the AVR bypassing the TV.

I'm also convinced that there is absolutely no firmware, motherboard, or other software update that will pass 5.1 audio through the TV without lip-sync issues. The only "fix" is to not pass 5.1 audio through the TV.

- Mark
post #4476 of 4715
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I don't know what is causing the lip-sync issue, but everything I've read in this thread leads me to believe it has nothing to do with use of the internal speakers or with an external AVR. Instead, it has everything to do with whether you route audio THROUGH (HDMI in, optical audio out) the TV or not. Few have any problem if they use the TV's internal speakers or if they route directly from the audio source to the AVR bypassing the TV.

Correct.

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I'm also convinced that there is absolutely no firmware, motherboard, or other software update that will pass 5.1 audio through the TV without lip-sync issues. The only "fix" is to not pass 5.1 audio through the TV.

Mmmm, partially correct.

Some signals the LG's can properly decode and keep in sync and pass on to the AVR, while others it screws up.
post #4477 of 4715
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Originally Posted by alster View Post

Some signals the LG's can properly decode and keep in sync and pass on to the AVR, while others it screws up.

This may be. But I wonder if many (all?) of these cases where it appears to sync pass-thru are where where the audio is not true 5.1. I've tried a lot of different configurations and if I change my audio source away from 5.1, the problem disappears.

My main point is that chasing firmware updates doesn't do any good - reconfiguring how you route audio does. And if you use the internal speakers, its a non-issue.

Thanks for input.

- Mark
post #4478 of 4715
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Originally Posted by jdpdata View Post

I finally took delivery of my 55LH90 on Monday......Great price and service from Adorama!

Thanks for the feedback - delighted to hear it

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Originally Posted by jdpdata View Post

...my serial number sticker on back seems to be crinkle at the corner. Like someone tried to peeled it off. Perhaps they applied these stickers by hand at the factory......

I'll check with the warehouse manager, and come back to you.
post #4479 of 4715
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Originally Posted by HelenOster View Post

Thanks for the feedback - delighted to hear it



I'll check with the warehouse manager, and come back to you.

Did you ever sell, see or inventory, the 55LHX Version 2 with the new Wireless system and improved PQ. The Service People have trained to service these units, but I can't find anyone who has them available.

Just talked to the service guy again - he says the new Wireless with improved PQ is the LE8500 series! There's no such animal as a 55LHX Version 2! (Unfortunately, there's also no Matte Screen & a banding problem with the new series!)
post #4480 of 4715
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This may be. But I wonder if many (all?) of these cases where it appears to sync pass-thru are where where the audio is not true 5.1.

The audio is true 5.1, unless premium channels are sending out false 5.1 audio (they're not).

I agree with everything else in your post, except, that I do believe f/w could fix the problem, if LG wanted to invest the time/resources to fix it- they don't give a ****.
post #4481 of 4715
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

Aspect Ratio: Just Scan
Backlight: 30
Contrast: 81
Brightness: 57
H Sharpness: 50
V Sharpness: 50
Color: 47
Tint: 0

Expert Control:
Dynamic Control: Off
Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On
TruMotion 240Hz: High (I normally run this at OFF)
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
Color Filter: Off
White Balance: Warm
Method: 10 Point IRE
Pattern: Outer
IRE: 100 (luminance)

10 point IRE settings (R G B)
100 [28,-20,30]
90 [-9,14,-45]
80 [11,2,0]
70 [3,9,-11]
60 [5,1,-6]
50 [14,4,-8]
40 [1,0,-6]
30 [4,3,-4]
20 [2,1,-4]
10 [-6,-7,-12]

No adjustments were made to the CMS because the CIE was spot on at the outset.

Are these settings good to use or should I use someone else's? I'm getting my 55" LH90 in 10 days.
post #4482 of 4715
Is it true this tv has poor motion and poor color saturation? I've heard somewhat about the motion, but the color saturation is something new to me. Someone on another forum who's owned the LH90 has told me this, is this true?
post #4483 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Are these settings good to use or should I use someone else's? I'm getting my 55" LH90 in 10 days.

Probably not, since these are for a July 2009 build with 3.04 firmware.
Won't hurt to try though.
post #4484 of 4715
Update:

LG is now sending me the FW downdate and the service remote so I can perform the rollback procedure myself. They are letting me keep the USB stick, and I can hang on to the remote until I am satisfied that it is fixed.

For the feller who asks where in the manual it says the optical out forwards Digital audio from HDMI: you're right, it doesn't say exactly that. On pg33 it says, "If you want to enjoy digital broadcasting through 5.1-channel speakers, connect the optical digital audio out..." which could be read to mean only live TV will do it. BUT: Mine doesn't do this either. Also, the engineers assure me that they DO intend the TV to forward all digital audio through the optical out.

For anyone interested in the USB update (downdate, whatever), feel free to PM me. It should be here on Tuesday. Of course, it may not work for all...

Here's to hoping that i don't end up with more noticable lip-sync issues after all this.

Wish me luck!
post #4485 of 4715
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Originally Posted by vze33jng View Post

Update:

LG is now sending me the FW downdate and the service remote so I can perform the rollback procedure myself. They are letting me keep the USB stick, and I can hang on to the remote until I am satisfied that it is fixed.

For the feller who asks where in the manual it says the optical out forwards Digital audio from HDMI: you're right, it doesn't say exactly that. On pg33 it says, "If you want to enjoy digital broadcasting through 5.1-channel speakers, connect the optical digital audio out..." which could be read to mean only live TV will do it. BUT: Mine doesn't do this either. Also, the engineers assure me that they DO intend the TV to forward all digital audio through the optical out.

For anyone interested in the USB update (downdate, whatever), feel free to PM me. It should be here on Tuesday. Of course, it may not work for all...

Here's to hoping that i don't end up with more noticable lip-sync issues after all this.

Wish me luck!

#1 - The Service Remote has NO Instructions! (I assume LG is going to provide some kind of info sheets for the job they've given you to do?)
#2 - If you hit the In-STOP button (Only to be used AFTER the FW is installed) the whole TV is Reset to Factory Original settings. All IREs and CMs are returned to Zereo State! Write your THX IRE settings down ahead of time, and any other setups that you may want to put back in!
#3 - IN-START puts you into the Service Menu - to exit - Hit the Exit Button - NOT the IN-STOP! (Refer to #2)
#4 - Do NOT mess with the Service Menu unless you're specifically told to do so, and are given instructions on what to do when you do get in there!
#5 - In the Service Menu there is a Lip Sync Option - No one has mentioned this anywhere in the Forum, that I'm aware of. (As per #1)
#6 - Service Remote can be purchased online for about $35 + shipping.
#7 - As mentioned previously in this Forum, backtracking the FW does risk that the current FW may leave some residual upgrades not compatible with an older FW.
#8 - Do NOT attempt to do the FW changeover if tired, hung over, had one to many alcoholic drinks, smoked a joint to calm down, or, just been told by your wife `You're going to screw it up!'
post #4486 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

Is it true this tv has poor motion and poor color saturation? I've heard somewhat about the motion, but the color saturation is something new to me. Someone on another forum who's owned the LH90 has told me this, is this true?

Color accuracy is a strength of this TV. I've never heard of any color problems.
post #4487 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

Color accuracy is a strength of this TV. I've never heard of any color problems.

Never really had any motion problems! The PQ was great, with the only drawback being the Milky Blacks. Was not really noticeable until I purchased the LG 55LHX and compared. After that, the Milk Blacks were always noticeable because I'd now been spoiled by the Blacks of the 55LHX!.
post #4488 of 4715
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

#1 - The Service Remote has NO Instructions! (I assume LG is going to provide some kind of info sheets for the job they've given you to do?)
#2 - If you hit the In-STOP button (Only to be used AFTER the FW is installed) the whole TV is Reset to Factory Original settings. All IREs and CMs are returned to Zereo State! Write your THX IRE settings down ahead of time, and any other setups that you may want to put back in!
#3 - IN-START puts you into the Service Menu - to exit - Hit the Exit Button - NOT the IN-STOP! (Refer to #2)
#4 - Do NOT mess with the Service Menu unless you're specifically told to do so, and are given instructions on what to do when you do get in there!
#5 - In the Service Menu there is a Lip Sync Option - No one has mentioned this anywhere in the Forum, that I'm aware of. (As per #1)
#6 - Service Remote can be purchased online for about $35 + shipping.
#7 - As mentioned previously in this Forum, backtracking the FW does risk that the current FW may leave some residual upgrades not compatible with an older FW.
#8 - Do NOT attempt to do the FW changeover if tired, hung over, had one to many alcoholic drinks, smoked a joint to calm down, or, just been told by your wife `You're going to screw it up!'

They sent instructions. I was to install 3.13 and then go to the EDID/DL section with all cables unplugged and do a reset .

Buuuuuuuut: My TV is bricked now. Following LG's instructions, the firmware update had gotten to 36% complete when I looked away to help my daughter with some multiplication by exponents. (Firming up my belief that algebra and higher mathematics are ruining the universe When I looked back, what should have been 50-70% was a powered-off set. Now I can't power on. I have read about connecting a serial cable to the set and establishing a terminal connection to manually load the proper firmware, but am still in shock.

I have emailed LG and asked for a superior product replacement. Any suggestions? (I know that the LE8500, with its glossy screen, is out)

Guess I should have smoked that joint, after-all.

Above-mentioned serial cable insrtuctions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1225883 Post #14
http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showthrea...1206458&page=2 Post #47
post #4489 of 4715
Been there, done that. Problem for me wasn't the FW update, but a Bad HDMI cable. Unfortunately, the warranty repair depot is an 8 hour drive away, but I was lucky enough to have a wife who wanted a shopping trip to Buffalo X 2. (Had to go back to retrieve the set.) I almost bricked it again, not knowing at that time about the defective cable - cable now in garbage. Pulled it out in time!) Gave the set to the wife in appreciation for her travel time. (Purchased another 55LHX for myself.)
In the instructions, did they tell you to turn on your set, wait a couple of minutes then insert the USB stick? After the FW is downloaded, the set does turn off, but normally will turn back on, at which point you press the IN-STOP button and do the total reset. I assume you tried the unplug the set for a half hour, then re-plug back in?
post #4490 of 4715
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Never really had any motion problems! The PQ was great, with the only drawback being the Milky Blacks. Was not really noticeable until I purchased the LG 55LHX and compared. After that, the Milk Blacks were always noticeable because I'd now been spoiled by the Blacks of the 55LHX!.

With TruMotion on, I consistently see motion artifacts surrounding moving objects on the screen, especially when there is high contrast between the object moving and the background. If you haven't been noticing any of this, I'm starting to think maybe something is wrong with my 55LH90?
post #4491 of 4715
I see motion artifacts too, sparkles around object with TruMotion on. I have a March 2010 build. I have turn off for now.
post #4492 of 4715
I'm still waiting on my 55" LH90 to arrive, I think it will come tomorrow.
post #4493 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

I'm still waiting on my 55" LH90 to arrive, I think it will come tomorrow.

You got it from Adorama? Be prepare to receive a gigantic box
post #4494 of 4715
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Originally Posted by jdpdata View Post

You got it from Adorama? Be prepare to receive a gigantic box

I got it from QVC, the estimated delivery date is the 25th, but it shipped last Friday so I think it'll be here tomorrow.
post #4495 of 4715
Well congrats, I think you'll be a very happy owner.
I replace a Sony 55XS955, which I thought had a great picture, but the LH90 blows the Sony out of the water. PQ is amazing! The wife and I are still at awe.

Now head over to the 'calibration' thread for some tweaking advice. I tried some p5browne settings on mine, it looks very good!
post #4496 of 4715
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Originally Posted by jdpdata View Post

Well congrats, I think you'll be a very happy owner.
I replace a Sony 55XS955, which I thought had a great picture, but the LH90 blows the Sony out of the water. PQ is amazing! The wife and I are still at awe.

Now head over to the 'calibration' thread for some tweaking advice. I tried some p5browne settings on mine, it looks very good!

How are the blacks on the tv?
post #4497 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

How are the blacks on the tv?

I haven't finish tweaking mine to my liking yet. Black are milky right now, I think there's room for little improvement if I play around a bit with my IRE settings. But p5browne mention LHX has better black performance than LH90.
post #4498 of 4715
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Originally Posted by jdpdata View Post

I haven't finish tweaking mine to my liking yet. Black are milky right now, I think there's room for little improvement if I play around a bit with my IRE settings. But p5browne mention LHX has better black performance than LH90.

OK, I just hope they are a bit better than my Samsung 860 plasma.
post #4499 of 4715
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Been there, done that...[edited]...In the instructions, did they tell you to turn on your set, wait a couple of minutes then insert the USB stick? After the FW is downloaded, the set does turn off, but normally will turn back on, at which point you press the IN-STOP button and do the total reset. I assume you tried the unplug the set for a half hour, then re-plug back in?

The instructions just say that when moving to a higher version, the update is automatic. In my case, since they wanted to move me back v3.13, I needed to press menu and hover over "option" and press "fav" 7 times for the expert update menu. I did that and followed the directions to the letter.

As for unplugging, it was unplugged for hours last night, and then when that didn't work, I still left the main power switch off. No response either way.

I am very depressed.
post #4500 of 4715
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

OK, I just hope they are a bit better than my Samsung 860 plasma.

You might want to read Chad's review on those two sets. He gave the LH90 better shadow detail ratings.

http://hdtvbychadb.com/reviews.htm
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