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post #4681 of 4719
Will be calibrating my old 55LH90 at my daughters place this weekend, using the Spectracal C6, profiled off my i1Pro and using Calman 5RC2. Will post the results.
post #4682 of 4719
The problem with all LGs is that the Service Menu White Balances don't even come close to matching LGs Specs! Once the White Balance is setup, then everything else falls into place. Last time I did my daughters 55LH90, it didn't come out the way I wanted. It looked better after than before, but with the new software, and the better profiling afforded by it, I'm hoping for the spectacular results I now have on all my LGs here now. (2 - 55LHXs and 1 55LV9500)
post #4683 of 4719
Oct 6, 2012

My old 55LH90 Calibrations using Calman 5RC2, C6 on TriPod, profiled off NonEn i1Pro

As per request:

Gamma Medium, White Balance Warm Luminance 156

Service Menu White Balance: Cool/Medium/Warm

RG: 186/192/192
GG: 192/192/168
BG: 174/157/83
RC: 64/64/64
GC: 64/64/64
BC: 64/64/64

BL: 50
CT: 85
BR: 48
HS: 56
VS: 56
CL: 53
Tnt: 0

2 Point Calibration:

Red Contrast (100 IRE): 0
Green Contrast (100 IRE): 0
Blue Contrast (100 IRE): 3
Red Brightness (30 IRE): 10
Green Brightness (30 IRE): -3
Blue Brightness (30 IRE): -16

CMS:
RC: 5
RT: 3
Gc: 0
GT: 5
Bc: 10
Bt: 9
YC: 0
YT: 0
CC: -5
CT: 0
MC: 8
MT: 1

10 Point Calibration:

100: -2/0/13
90 : 14/14/20
80 : 22/17/17
70 : 24/17/15
60 : 22/14/15
50 : 19/13/8
40 : 15/8/4
30 : 8/2/-1
20 : 4/1/-2
10 : 5/3/2

Notes:
Calman 5 is definitely a more precise calibration program. First time SMWB RGB cuts could be calibrated.
post #4684 of 4719
I have an LG 47LH90 HDTV connected via HDMI to my HTPC. The HTPC has an ATI Radeon HD5700 Series graphics card. I run Windows Media Center most of the time on this HTPC, which is on Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit). The HTPC is running AMD Catalyst 12.10 drivers.

The above setup works great for almost everything - watching and recording live TV (happy HDHomeRun Prime owner), watching movies (ripped Blu-rays and DVDs), etc., etc.

The only problem or annoyance with this system is the LG TV has a blank screen when it is restarted.

I rarely shut off this HTPC and it is running Windows Media Center almost 100% of the time. This way the PC is able to record TV programs at all hours. When we are finished watching, we simply power off the LG HDTV. When we want to watch the TV, we simple turn the LG HDTV back on. Normally, it should just display the Windows Media Center screen, but instead the screen is usually blank. I can get the Windows Media Center menu/screen to appear if I either disconnect and reconnect the HDMI cable or if I hit the "Live TV" button on my Media Center remote. This seems to wake up the TV.

It doesn't matter if I use any PC power saving features. I have this problem if I have the HTPC set to go into sleep mode or not.

This problem doesn't occur if I turn off the LG HDTV when the HTPC is displaying the desktop or any other application. It only happens when Windows Media Center is full screen.

Has anybody else experienced this problem, if so, what did you do to fix this?
post #4685 of 4719
I'll be getting my 47LH90 calibrated by Best Buy next Thursday. I would never pay Best Buy to do a calibration, but they are offering it free of charge to Silver Premiere Reward Zone customers.

I'd like them to calibrate settings to Expert 1 or 2 and not touch the service menu. Can anyone tell me if that's possible? I just don't want them to do something to the TV that I can't undo if I don't like it.
post #4686 of 4719
If that is all you want then you should just input CNETs settings into it yourself. It will probably look better then what the geeksquad is going to do to it!
post #4687 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Fuzznutz View Post

If that is all you want then you should just input CNETs settings into it yourself. It will probably look better then what the geeksquad is going to do to it!

I did plenty of messing around with the settings when I got the TV years ago. I tried all the member settings and CNET as well as tweaking it on my own. I just figured I'd give this a try since it claims to be done by an ISF certified tech and it's free.

I've been satisfied with the picture for the most part. I've noticed that SD and HD Dish viewing look better than Blu ray. I use the same input and settings for both. When I watch TV everything looks great, but when I switch over to Blu ray it looks dull and has a greenish tint.
post #4688 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

I did plenty of messing around with the settings when I got the TV years ago. I tried all the member settings and CNET as well as tweaking it on my own. I just figured I'd give this a try since it claims to be done by an ISF certified tech and it's free.
I've been satisfied with the picture for the most part. I've noticed that SD and HD Dish viewing look better than Blu ray. I use the same input and settings for both. When I watch TV everything looks great, but when I switch over to Blu ray it looks dull and has a greenish tint.


Well, I hope it works out for you sir. You might as well let them adjust the white balance in the service menu if that is the case. I would ask to view it when picked up, this way if you are not satisfied, you're not lugging it back and forth. I had Chad B do mine...no complaints. biggrin.gif
post #4689 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Fuzznutz View Post

Well, I hope it works out for you sir. You might as well let them adjust the white balance in the service menu if that is the case. I would ask to view it when picked up, this way if you are not satisfied, you're not lugging it back and forth. I had Chad B do mine...no complaints. biggrin.gif
I'd prefer to pay Chad too but he is outside my area. The white balance has been my biggest beef with the LG. I prefer cool even though warm seems to be the more accurate setting. Best Buy will be calibrating at my home so I hope to give some input on the final outcome.

The only other concern I have is that this TV seems to be a difficult one to calibrate accurately.
post #4690 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

I'd prefer to pay Chad too but he is outside my area. The white balance has been my biggest beef with the LG. I prefer cool even though warm seems to be the more accurate setting. Best Buy will be calibrating at my home so I hope to give some input on the final outcome.
The only other concern I have is that this TV seems to be a difficult one to calibrate accurately.


Gotcha. Again, good luck! smile.gif
post #4691 of 4719
BTW, it's also best if dark in the room to be calibrated. If it is a well it room, do what you can to get it dark.
post #4692 of 4719
I very seriously doubt a Geek Squad calibrator even knows how to get into the Service Menu. Are you sure they're not just going to do the Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Colour and Tint Adjustments?
Service Menu White Balance Specs: Cool - x=0.276 y=0.283 : Medium - x=0.285 y=0.293 : Warm - x=0.313 y=0.329 One of the RGB Gains in each Group must be 192, the others below this. Check my White Balance Values above as to which value I found Best for the 192 value.
post #4693 of 4719
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

I very seriously doubt a Geek Squad calibrator even knows how to get into the Service Menu. Are you sure they're not just going to do the Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Colour and Tint Adjustments?
Service Menu White Balance Specs: Cool - x=0.276 y=0.283 : Medium - x=0.285 y=0.293 : Warm - x=0.313 y=0.329 One of the RGB Gains in each Group must be 192, the others below this. Check my White Balance Values above as to which value I found Best for the 192 value.

Supposedly it is an isf calibration with a certified isf trained calibrator. I have my doubts too. I'll let you guys know.
post #4694 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

I'll be getting my 47LH90 calibrated by Best Buy next Thursday. I would never pay Best Buy to do a calibration, but they are offering it free of charge to Silver Premiere Reward Zone customers.
I'd like them to calibrate settings to Expert 1 or 2 and not touch the service menu. Can anyone tell me if that's possible? I just don't want them to do something to the TV that I can't undo if I don't like it.

Forgot to mention. I ONLY use the THX Mode, all other Modes are set to the calibrated settings gotten when setting up THX Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Tint. Colour left at Zero. Only THX is Colour calibrated. Expert Modes for 2 Point, 10 Point IREs and CMS, also Zeroed out. Found too much interference between Modes when setting other settings in place, especially the Expert Modes. Also do this for all my other LGs as well. (55LHX and 55LV9500) Where there's only Sharpness, usually set in between Sharpness H & V values of THX settings.
This is my view on setting my sets from past experiences that skrewed up my nice THX PQs.
Edited by p5browne - 11/11/12 at 6:23am
post #4695 of 4719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

I'll be getting my 47LH90 calibrated by Best Buy next Thursday. I would never pay Best Buy to do a calibration, but they are offering it free of charge to Silver Premiere Reward Zone customers.
I'd like them to calibrate settings to Expert 1 or 2 and not touch the service menu. Can anyone tell me if that's possible? I just don't want them to do something to the TV that I can't undo if I don't like it.

Not sure what you mean by not touching the service menu. One thing you might want to do us use an un-used HDMI input (there are 4 to begin with). Connect your source to the unused HDMI input and let the Best Buy calibrate using that input. If you don't like it then you can re-connect back to the current HDMI input. which won't have changed.

I know that others have claimed there is some interaction between the settings for different modes (e.g. the settings for Expert 1 affects the PQ on THX, or whatever). But, this is total nonsense.
post #4696 of 4719
Thursday is getting closer!

It's Thurday. Did the BB calibrator show up?

It's Friday, and no word. Does this mean, no news is good news?
Edited by p5browne - 11/16/12 at 9:29am
post #4697 of 4719
Lol. It was good news.

I had to get a new laptop and internet because I my previous employer took those back when I left the company on Monday. I didn't want to sit down and tap it out on the phone. I'm back up and running now.

The calibrator called ahead to let me know he was on his way, and he showed up on time. He used the Calman software and the C6 meter along with a Quantum Data 701A. I was happy to hear that he would not go into the service menu. Because it is an isf certified TV he was able to use one the Expert isf modes to calibrate the TV.

The initial reading showed a bias to blue that was off the charts. Red and green were much lower. I watched as he adjusted the Color Contrast and Color Brightness to balance out the colors. He didn't quite get it even or balanced. He left it with blue a bit higher because he was having a hard time getting blue in line with the rest. He made the comment that it would be ok since I prefer that anyway. I had told him that tended to set my TV toward a brighter and whiter picture which tinted more blue. If I were paying for the calibration or doing it myself I would have insisted that it be more precise.

After using the meter and software he popped in a Blu Ray test disc to adjust sharpness and to adjust for flesh tones. I'm sure this threw the numbers off a little, but we were more concerned about how it looked at this point. The final step was turning on Dish network to see how it looked. He turned down the color 2 notches.

I asked him to lock the mode so it couldn't be changed. I ended up unlocking it and changed the sharpness. He had both set at 65 and turned Horizontal down to 55 and Vertical to 49 after he left. The odd thing is that he had mentioned not turning it too high, and I felt that he had it up too far.

I am still getting used to the picture. I do think it is probably more accurate and looks like it is supposed to. I have been used to a cool picture with bright whites for years. It is now an "accurate" warm picture that to me seems like reds, yellows, and greens stand out more. I think I may end up using Expert 2 to find a happy medium, but I'm going to give it some time for me to get used to it first.
post #4698 of 4719
isf Day

Backlight 83
Contrast 93
Brightness 55
H Sharpness 55
V Sharpness 49
Color 55
Tint G3

isf Control

Dynamic Contrast Off
Noise Reduction Off
Gamma Medium
Black Level Low
Real Cinema On
TruMotion 240hz Off
Color Standard HD
Color Gamut Standard
Edge Enhancer Off
xvYCC Auto
Expert Pattern Off
Color Filter Off

White Balance Warm
Method 2 points
Pattern Outer
Red Contrast -2
Green Contrast 46
Blue Contrast -50

Red Brightness -12
Green Brightness 1
Blue Brightness -37

Color Management System
Red Color 0
Red Tint 0
Green Color 0
Green Tint 0
Blue Color 0
Blue Tint 0
Yellow Color 0
Yellow Tint 0
Cyan Color 0
Cyan Tint 0
Magenta Color 0
Magenta Tint 0

Screen
H Position 0
V Position 0
H Size 0
V Size 0
post #4699 of 4719
From what you are saying, your 55LH90 was previously calibrated? Was the White Balances calibrated then, if so?
All the LGs' Service Menu White Balances are way too high! Warm is supposed to 6500K - White Balance Warms are usually in the neighbourhood of 9500K!
Back in the old days, with the calibration softwares available at that time, Yellowish Warms were the norm.
With the new Calman and ChromaPure softwares, this is no longer the case. With the latest ChromaPure, Yellow is finally gone.
One problem with your settings, especially on the 55LH90 as it's Panel is not as Black as the 55LHX, is you have to keep the Brightness down! 52 is the Max you can go, elsewise the Backlight will never shut off during the Black scenes, thereby always leaving with whiteish Blacks. At 52, the Backlight shuts off and gives you the best Black that the Panel can give. (One thing we've noticed about the LG Panels is, when you first purchase them, the Panel appears to be a Dark Grey. As they get older, the Panel now tends to lose the Dark Grey, and look more Black.)
The next problem if he used Calman and only the C6, and not profiled off another Meter such as the i1Pro or i1Pro 2, the C6 has a slight problem with the Reds.
But it appears you seem to have an improved PQ, but I would try putting the Brightness back to 52, and see if that doesn't improve your Blacks.
post #4700 of 4719
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

From what you are saying, your 55LH90 was previously calibrated? Was the White Balances calibrated then, if so?
All the LGs' Service Menu White Balances are way too high! Warm is supposed to 6500K - White Balance Warms are usually in the neighbourhood of 9500K!
Back in the old days, with the calibration softwares available at that time, Yellowish Warms were the norm.
With the new Calman and ChromaPure softwares, this is no longer the case. With the latest ChromaPure, Yellow is finally gone.
One problem with your settings, especially on the 55LH90 as it's Panel is not as Black as the 55LHX, is you have to keep the Brightness down! 52 is the Max you can go, elsewise the Backlight will never shut off during the Black scenes, thereby always leaving with whiteish Blacks. At 52, the Backlight shuts off and gives you the best Black that the Panel can give. (One thing we've noticed about the LG Panels is, when you first purchase them, the Panel appears to be a Dark Grey. As they get older, the Panel now tends to lose the Dark Grey, and look more Black.)
The next problem if he used Calman and only the C6, and not profiled off another Meter such as the i1Pro or i1Pro 2, the C6 has a slight problem with the Reds.
But it appears you seem to have an improved PQ, but I would try putting the Brightness back to 52, and see if that doesn't improve your Blacks.

It is disappointing that it didn't turn out better, but it was free. I think the colors look a bit better than they did before, but I'm not totally satisfied overall. I will probably use these settings and put them into Expert 2 to play with them a bit to see what else I can come up with.

I was surprised about the backlighting and brightness being set so high. Surprisingly it hasn't looked terribly washed out. I will have see how these settings look with color, brightness, and backlight turned down.
post #4701 of 4719
I hadn't paid attention to the BL, but I see where mine was 50, he had yours set to 83!

Anyways, wife comes out today about her bedroom set - LG 47LH90, (Have never been allowed to touch it since we bought it how many years ago, since it just looked fine!) to complain to about doing something about the Orange People!
Have Zeroed out all the 2, 10 Point and CMS settings on all 4 HDMI Inputs, and it's currently doing it's 10 Hour Pixel Protector Washes. Will leave for a day, and calibrate tomorrow night. Will Post the settings.
post #4702 of 4719
Newer and Better Calibration below.
Edited by p5browne - 12/26/12 at 7:47pm
post #4703 of 4719
You have a service remote, correct? Is that what you are using to get into the service menu?
post #4704 of 4719
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Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

You have a service remote, correct? Is that what you are using to get into the service menu?

Actually have 2. Couldn't find my first one for a long time, so purchased a 2nd. Shortly thereafter, wife pulls the 1st out of a box in her room. Put it there after me leaving in her loft while calibrating her set. Then forgot about it, until she had to go into that box for something else.

http://www.newremotecontrol.com/lg/catalog_item.php?catnum=105-201M
post #4705 of 4719
After giving it some time, my wife and I both agree that we do not like the calibration from Best Buy due to the yellow tinge.

Can anyone tell me what effect it would have to use the "calibrated" settings with medium white balance instead of warm? Does that throw everything off or does that just change the whiteness?
post #4706 of 4719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick_WI View Post

After giving it some time, my wife and I both agree that we do not like the calibration from Best Buy due to the yellow tinge.
Can anyone tell me what effect it would have to use the "calibrated" settings with medium white balance instead of warm? Does that throw everything off or does that just change the whiteness?

For several years now, I was ending up with that Yellowish overtone as well, and was told that was the way it was supposed to look. I t wasn't until Calman 5 came along, with more appropriate Meter Menus to set for the correct screen, was I able to do away with the Yellow overtones. So if BestBuy was using older Meters and Software, and it wasn't on a Sony or Samsung set, then you won't get the proper calibration. The other possiblity is, if he had newer Software and Meter, he used the improper Meter Menu for your set.
Now with either the iScan Duo, or Radiance XE, plus the Darbee - White Balance on Warm - Great PQ - and NO Yellow Overtone, and a nice crisp, detailed PQ!
post #4707 of 4719
nice to see people still lovin this tv, mine still working great and still beat most sets i seen (if not all) at best buy the other day.
post #4708 of 4719
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Originally Posted by seatownfunk View Post

nice to see people still lovin this tv, mine still working great and still beat most sets i seen (if not all) at best buy the other day.

Was back at my daughters for Christmas dinner, so went down to checkout how the 55LH90 was looking. The Yellow was bothersome. It also took at least an hour before the PQ was looking more watchable. (Sorry, spoiled by my 55LHX now with the Darbee and Radiance XE with the 125 Point 3D LUT AutoCal!)
Kept thinking I'll have to have another go at it sometime.
Tried re- calibrating the wife's 42LH90 tonight but same Yellowish Overtone - it appears the Meter settings for my 55LHX, just aren't going to work on the LH90 sets. Wife told me to leave it alone and work on it when she's away next weekend! If I can get hers figured out, then I can re-do my daughters.
(Forgot to transfer the HDMI calibrated settings over to the other HDMI Inputs - did this this morning, but my wife's complaints about Orange People, still has to be looked into.)
Blu-ray looks great - may have to replace the 30' HDMI cable from the Dishnet Receiver in the other room.:

Dec 26, 2012

Wife's 42LH90 Calibrations using Calman 5, C6 on TriPod, profiled off NonEn i1Pro
Now using iScan Duo for Patterns instead of the Spectracals DPG1000 Pattern Generator

As per request:

Gamma Medium, White Balance Warm Luminance 156

Service Menu White Balance: Cool/Medium/Warm
A much more fine tuned Brightness and Contrast were done through Calman 5

RG: 182/192/192
GG: 192/192/166
BG: 168/149/65
RC: 62/63/63
GC: 61/62/62
BC: 62/63/63

BL: 46
CT: 76
BR: 49
HS: 56
VS: 52
CL: 50
Tnt: 0

2 Point Calibration:

Red Contrast (100 IRE): 2
Green Contrast (100 IRE): 1
Blue Contrast (100 IRE): 21
Red Brightness (30 IRE): 6
Green Brightness (30 IRE): 0
Blue Brightness (30 IRE): 21

CMS:
RC: 6
RT: 3
Gc: 0
GT: -4
Bc: 0
Bt: 12
YC: -5
YT: -2
CC: 0
CT: -1
MC: 8
MT: -2

10 Point Calibration:

100: -5/-6/16
90 : -2/-1/22
80 : 0/-4/18
70 : 0/-4/17
60 : 0/-3/16
50 : 2/-3/14
40 : 3/-4/15
30 : 4/1/10
20 : 8/3/11
10 : 6/5/6

Notes: Service Menu Values changed due to Spectracal C6 now profiled off NonEn i1Pro
Calman 5 is definitely a more precise calibration program. First time SMWB RGB cuts could be calibrated.

Currently trying out a new calibration method on my LG 55LHX. Service Menu White Balances Cool, Medium and Warm are being calibrated all to Warm settings. It appears a flatter Grayscale is the result, and a more stabilized set. If this is indeed the result, will try on the XXLH90s.

Jan 29, 2013
The New Calman Beta 1092 is doing a unbelievable job on the 55LHX - can't wait to apply to the 90 later in February while wife is away.
Edited by p5browne - 1/28/13 at 9:33am
post #4709 of 4719
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Originally Posted by greggplummer View Post

I have an LG 47LH90 HDTV connected via HDMI to my HTPC. The HTPC has an ATI Radeon HD5700 Series graphics card. I run Windows Media Center most of the time on this HTPC, which is on Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit). The HTPC is running AMD Catalyst 12.10 drivers.

The above setup works great for almost everything - watching and recording live TV (happy HDHomeRun Prime owner), watching movies (ripped Blu-rays and DVDs), etc., etc.

The only problem or annoyance with this system is the LG TV has a blank screen when it is restarted.

I rarely shut off this HTPC and it is running Windows Media Center almost 100% of the time. This way the PC is able to record TV programs at all hours. When we are finished watching, we simply power off the LG HDTV. When we want to watch the TV, we simple turn the LG HDTV back on. Normally, it should just display the Windows Media Center screen, but instead the screen is usually blank. I can get the Windows Media Center menu/screen to appear if I either disconnect and reconnect the HDMI cable or if I hit the "Live TV" button on my Media Center remote. This seems to wake up the TV.

It doesn't matter if I use any PC power saving features. I have this problem if I have the HTPC set to go into sleep mode or not.

This problem doesn't occur if I turn off the LG HDTV when the HTPC is displaying the desktop or any other application. It only happens when Windows Media Center is full screen.

Has anybody else experienced this problem, if so, what did you do to fix this?


Hi Gregg -

I too have this display connected to my HTPC. I recently upgraded my HTPC from Win XP running BeyondTV to Win7 MCE (to use the HDHomeRun Prime). When I did this - I also upgraded the video card - the Nvidia I had was great with XP and BeyondTV - not strong enough for Win7 MCE. I decided to go with a Radeon HD7770 (my first non-Nvidia card).

Under the XP setup with the Nvidia card, I had connected it from the PC directly to the TV HDMI - via a DVI to HDMI cable and converter... Never had a blank screen on restart issue.

Under the Win7 MCE configuration - I started to notice the Blank Screen... I believe it has something to do with the Radeon card - but have not gone back to try and re-create the issue with the Nvidia card.

I tried everything I could think of Software and Driver to no avail...

I stumbled onto a fix one day when I was plugging in some other component and switching back and forth between inputs, etc...

The solution for my setup was to connect the HTPC to my Receiver (Yamaha) via HDMI rather than to the TV. Not sure exactly what is going on at a signal level - but somehow the devices "talk" better in this configuration so when I "Power Back On" - the screen comes back to life...


One other observation that I noticed is that when I was encountering the "Blank Screen" - I was able to connect my Xbox as an extender to MCE and verify that the PC was actually "Alive".


Mike
post #4710 of 4719
Unfortunately, I don't have an A/V Receiver to use as a bridge connection. I connect directly from my Radeon to the HDTV.
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