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post #1921 of 3560
1/22/10 at 7:07pm
Actually, the clicking is kinda bad to be happening all the time. Those relays don't last forever. So, the more they click, the more they wear, and the faster they'll burn out.

It may sound better to hear in stereo rather than in some PLII type of mode, but if it prolongs the life of your AVR to use a Dolby-clone switchover, then that may be a factor if someone wants to avoid replacing their AVR every couple of years.
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post #1922 of 3560
1/22/10 at 8:28pm
Guys it looks like HDMI ****** us over, basically next year they are going to release their HDMI 1.4 and they said that any electronics will need a new HDMI chip inside to be able to use the benefits of HDMI 1.4 , i was under the impression a firmware upgrade for say the PS3 and all our other components, aswell as a HDMI 1.4 cable and we would be all set but thats not the case, this is really a bummer cuz now we willl all have to upgrade ALL of our components just to use HDMI 1.4

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Can older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices be firmware-upgraded to take advantage of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4?

Probably not. Most of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4 will require a new HDMI chip to enable, and cannot be upgraded via firmware.

Here is a link:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdm..._4_faq.aspx#13

This is really a bummer..
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post #1923 of 3560
1/22/10 at 10:41pm
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This is really a bummer..]

Only if you are considering 3D.

Will be awhile before the powers that be get this right and at a price <3k for a projector.
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post #1924 of 3560
1/23/10 at 1:29am
So far there has never been any product, where it is just a matter of a firmware upgrade to get a newer version of HDMI. Every new revision of HDMI, has also required a new HDMI chipset.
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post #1925 of 3560
1/23/10 at 2:42am
I got the 707 2 days ago and im happy with its preformace so far. Only one thing trubbles me.

I use my PS3 via HDMI to my Onkyo 707 and HDMI from the 707 to my Pioneer 5090H. I love to stream music form my computer to my ps3, but now when I have selected the music I wanna play and turn of the TV the Onkyo 707 also turns off. Can this be disabled?

Atm im bypassing this problem by running optic out from PS3 to CD on the onkyo.
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post #1926 of 3560
1/23/10 at 3:34am
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Originally Posted by Drew_V View Post

Actually, the clicking is kinda bad to be happening all the time. Those relays don't last forever. So, the more they click, the more they wear, and the faster they'll burn out.

It may sound better to hear in stereo rather than in some PLII type of mode, but if it prolongs the life of your AVR to use a Dolby-clone switchover, then that may be a factor if someone wants to avoid replacing their AVR every couple of years.

No they don't last forever and it's all about personal choices. However most signal switching relays are rated at >50,000,000 mechanical operations. I think the longevity issue is being blown way out of proportion.
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post #1927 of 3560
1/23/10 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by hand-filer View Post

No they don't last forever and it's all about personal choices. However most signal switching relays are rated at >50,000,000 mechanical operations. I think the longevity issue is being blown way out of proportion.

I was thinking about this a bit more last night and I came to roughly the same conclusion. I assumed maybe 1 million cycles and a max of 50 clicks per hour of continuous use. It would still last for something like 8 years operating for 10 hours every single day.

At 50 million cycles, yes, it would not be an issue at all.

So then it just boils down to the irritation factor of hearing the clicks all the time.
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post #1928 of 3560
1/23/10 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Hell my CD's play Blastin with my Blu-Ray player
They Never sounded THIS good!! with the Blu-Ray player !

But are you sending the audio via pre-outs to an external amp?
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post #1929 of 3560
1/23/10 at 2:42pm
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But are you sending the audio via pre-outs to an external amp?

I am using my 707 strictly as a processor/preamp. My CD player is a modded Sugden SDT-1. It sound pretty darn good to my ears.
To emphasize my point, I am no longer using my Audio Research SP9 preamplifier which when new cost 4 times more than what I paid for the 707.
Something might be wrong with your set-up or the pre-out stage of the receiver.
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post #1930 of 3560
1/23/10 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by janzing View Post

But are you sending the audio via pre-outs to an external amp?

No don't need to ! my Klipsch Cornwalls do Just fine on the A/V & the fact that the Sony Blu-Ray BDP-N460 is way better a machine than my Sony CD player was !
& the fact that I have one less gear & I input the Sony Blu-Ray with HDMI it's a No Brainer
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post #1931 of 3560
1/23/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by melanderhenrik View Post

I got the 707 2 days ago and im happy with its preformace so far. Only one thing trubbles me.

I use my PS3 via HDMI to my Onkyo 707 and HDMI from the 707 to my Pioneer 5090H. I love to stream music form my computer to my ps3, but now when I have selected the music I wanna play and turn of the TV the Onkyo 707 also turns off. Can this be disabled?

Sure. Turn off HDMI control on the 707.
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post #1932 of 3560
1/23/10 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by hand-filer View Post

I am using my 707 strictly as a processor/preamp. My CD player is a modded Sugden SDT-1. It sound pretty darn good to my ears.
To emphasize my point, I am no longer using my Audio Research SP9 preamplifier which when new cost 4 times more than what I paid for the 707.
Something might be wrong with your set-up or the pre-out stage of the receiver.

Yah, OK, thanks. I've looked the setup over pretty carefully. I will simply have to do some cable swapping and comparisons to fully suss it out. Just seems like the low end and "oomph" is missing without the AR preamp.
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post #1933 of 3560
1/24/10 at 1:39pm
Recieved the new PS3 today, and after much research, connected to 707 via HDMI 4 (game). Updated all software: Settings on PS3 are:

BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) > Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

BD/DVD Dynamic Range Control > Off

BD 1080p 24Hz Output (HDMI) > Automatic

BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) > Bitstream

Cross COlor Reduction Filter > Off

RGB Full Range (HDMI) > Full

Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super White (HDMI) > On

While playing a Blu-Ray, hitting screen display shows video input and output as 1080P, however for audio is shows 2 Channel Input and 7.1 output. Is this the way it is supposed to be? Seems like the Bitstream would input 5.1 DD, at a minimum?

Next, have to work on getting sound out to the pool area via zone 2 with ability to control volume somewhere on the patio..... Fortunately already wired to that area.
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post #1934 of 3560
1/24/10 at 10:32pm
I have an onkyo 707 and am having a weird issue. When watching a movie and the camera in the scene pans from one side of the shot to the next meaning the film starts at point
A...............pans.........................to point B it seems like there's every now and then a subtle jump as if the receiver can't keep up with the image. The player is set to 1080/24p and when connecting it directly to the TV it does not have this issue. I remember reading that some onkyo's have slight issues with 24p I was just wondering if anyone else experiences this with their receiver or if I should exchange. I absolutely did not have this issue with my much cheaper Sony receiver and do not have the issue with a direct connection from bluray player to tv, so please give me advice. It might be a sort of handshake issue but I don't think so. Just for reference so anyone who answers knows the resolution is set to through so nothing can possibly be messing with the video process. I just want to know if this is normal for onkyo's or other receivers. Any opinion would help. But I did see that onkyo released a firmware update for the 807 to handle 24p better so maybe the 707 has an issue with24p. Is it possible that this is just a glitch or is it a normal issue?
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post #1935 of 3560
1/25/10 at 12:00am
DirecTV HR2X Owners

RE: Clicking of the relays (may help others, as well)

Since this seems to keep coming up and the info on here is slightly off. Yes, set all of your other input types so that they utilize all of the channels, but do not set DD to DD.

Please set DD to something like TV Logic.

What I have noticed is that the DTV receiver does some unusual things coming out of DD mode, which causes the 707 to have a problem. Putting a bit of "post-processing" on the DD signal seems to allow the 707 to handle the transition better.

Keith
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post #1936 of 3560
1/25/10 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

I have an onkyo 707 and am having a weird issue. When watching a movie and the camera in the scene pans from one side of the shot to the next meaning the film starts at point
A...............pans.........................to point B it seems like there's every now and then a subtle jump as if the receiver can't keep up with the image. The player is set to 1080/24p and when connecting it directly to the TV it does not have this issue. I remember reading that some onkyo's have slight issues with 24p I was just wondering if anyone else experiences this with their receiver or if I should exchange. I absolutely did not have this issue with my much cheaper Sony receiver and do not have the issue with a direct connection from bluray player to tv, so please give me advice. It might be a sort of handshake issue but I don't think so. Just for reference so anyone who answers knows the resolution is set to through so nothing can possibly be messing with the video process. I just want to know if this is normal for onkyo's or other receivers. Any opinion would help. But I did see that onkyo released a firmware update for the 807 to handle 24p better so maybe the 707 has an issue with24p. Is it possible that this is just a glitch or is it a normal issue?

Nope nothing like that here !
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post #1937 of 3560
1/25/10 at 6:18am
Fixed the problem, missed a setting in sound on PS3, not an Onkyo issue.
5.1 out for games is nice.
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post #1938 of 3560
1/25/10 at 10:40am
ok, so I'm new to the surround sound game, and I have a question regarding A/V sync.

I started to notice for the first time that my audio was coming in just a bit faster than the video. I figured this makes sense, the Onkyo is getting the audio and playing it when it can, and the tv is doing whatever processing it needs to then displaying the video.

My question is, why do we mere mortals need to manually set the A/V Sync time? Why isn't this part of the HDMI standard? It seems like you could just devise a standard clocking scheme in the signal the synch's all of the devices in the playback chain.

So my question: Is manually adjusting the A/V Sync the only way to fix it? or is there smarter ways to do it? Also, once I set it, is it possible that I'd have to change it for each movie I watch to get it perfect, or is the delay associated with tv's/recievers a constant delay?
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post #1939 of 3560
1/25/10 at 10:45am
Understand the issue I have is so subtle unless you look for it you won't find it. A good example is the movie Moon there's a scene where it pans around the ship it's around 1 hour and 13 mins into the movie. At least 1out of every 6 times there's lag. I'm sure if you lookfor it you'll find the same issue. Just keep rewinding and letting a panning scene play it'll do it eventually. Like I said I think it's normal lag I was just shocked to see some.
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post #1940 of 3560
1/25/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

Understand the issue I have is so subtle unless you look for it you won't find it. A good example is the movie Moon there's a scene where it pans around the ship it's around 1 hour and 13 mins into the movie. At least 1out of every 6 times there's lag. I'm sure if you lookfor it you'll find the same issue. Just keep rewinding and letting a panning scene play it'll do it eventually. Like I said I think it's normal lag I was just shocked to see some.

I have been having this exact same issue. On the DVD for the movie "Elite Squad' if you have your DVD player set to 1080p24 output with the disc's subtitles turned on, this becomes the greatest demonstration of the problem (the frame drop/frame skip issue runs rampant).

About two weeks ago, I shipped off my 707 to the area service center. Unfortunately for me, the service center says that service work can sometimes take up to a month.

The service center also informed me that a firmware update is available for the 707, but they weren't sure what issues it addressed.

On this forum, there have been about three or four others with the problem like we are having.

I hope to get my 707 back soon so I can see if the service center actually fixed this annoying bug in the receiver.

I think I'm also going to send a detailed description of this problem to Onkyo via their website. They need to be fully aware that this issue is cropping up in the field, even if it only seems to affect a small number of users.
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post #1941 of 3560
1/25/10 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by drvais View Post

I have been having this exact same issue. On the DVD for the movie "Elite Squad' if you have your DVD player set to 1080p24 output with the disc's subtitles turned on, this becomes the greatest demonstration of the problem (the frame drop/frame skip issue runs rampant).

About two weeks ago, I shipped off my 707 to the area service center. Unfortunately for me, the service center says that service work can sometimes take up to a month.

The service center also informed me that a firmware update is available for the 707, but they weren't sure what issues it addressed.

On this forum, there have been about three or four others with the problem like we are having.

I hope to get my 707 back soon so I can see if the service center actually fixed this annoying bug in the receiver.

I think I'm also going to send a detailed description of this problem to Onkyo via their website. They need to be fully aware that this issue is cropping up in the field, even if it only seems to affect a small number of users.

Drvais - Let me know what comes of this. I just received mine from amazon a few days ago. I have not used it yet as i am waiting to move on 2/12. Sounds like a lot of minor stuff going on with this receiver. I wonder if that is why the price has come down so much. If i need to, i will send it back and get the Denon i was eying up...of course it costs more. :-(

Good luck bro.

PS - the Onkyo website does not list any firmware updates for the 707.

-B
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post #1942 of 3560
1/25/10 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by BigSchwagg View Post

Drvais - Let me know what comes of this. I just received mine from amazon a few days ago. I have not used it yet as i am waiting to move on 2/12. Sounds like a lot of minor stuff going on with this receiver. I wonder if that is why the price has come down so much. If i need to, i will send it back and get the Denon i was eying up...of course it costs more. :-(

Good luck bro.

PS - the Onkyo website does not list any firmware updates for the 707.

-B

I've had my 707 for two months and have had none of the problems mentioned in this entire thread.

It is a great AVR, and I especially enjoy the new DSX capabilities which no other AVR in this price range offers !

People who are having problems tend to post more than those who are not. Hopefully you will get a bug free 707 and enjoy it as much as I do mine.
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post #1943 of 3560
1/25/10 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by BigSchwagg View Post

Drvais - Let me know what comes of this. I just received mine from amazon a few days ago. I have not used it yet as i am waiting to move on 2/12. Sounds like a lot of minor stuff going on with this receiver. I wonder if that is why the price has come down so much. If i need to, i will send it back and get the Denon i was eying up...of course it costs more. :-(

Good luck bro.

PS - the Onkyo website does not list any firmware updates for the 707.

-B

Yes, I know their website does not list any firmware notices or updates for 707, but this contradicts what the area repair center told me.

I went ahead and sent a message to Onkyo Support on the website asking them if they are aware some owners are having this issue. No response yet.
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post #1944 of 3560
1/26/10 at 5:21am
Got my 707 yesterday, so today I took a day off ;-)
Allmost everything is fine, there is one problem I can't seem to solve.

I use a Dreambox 7000s sat receiver, connected with component to the Onkyo 707.
Before de Dreambox was directly connected to the TV (Panasonic Plasma).
When cycling through the channels, with some channels the Onkyo switches to 4:3 (an not 16:9) which results in a partly image. (or a "boxed" image)
Tried every setting on my TV and Dreambox. Is there a setting on the Onkyo to avoid resizing to 4:3?
Or should I go back to connecting the dreambox directly to the TV?
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post #1945 of 3560
1/26/10 at 7:53am
Have you tried setting the HDMI output to Through or Auto? Other than that, you might just run component video direct to the TV.
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post #1946 of 3560
1/26/10 at 8:47am
Finally, this worked for me, no clicking, it was just about the only thing I didn't try, thanks for the help. I'm enjoying this receiver waaaaayyyy more now. Other question: is there a way to adjust the speaker levels (main, rear) during playback without sending the test tone? In reference to : DirecTV HR2X Owners.
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post #1947 of 3560
1/26/10 at 9:02am
Update: Here is Onkyo's Tech Support Website response to my inquiry about the 1080p24 video issue that some of us our having (for proper context, also remember that my unit is currently at my area's repair center):

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Originally Posted by Onkyo Tech Support - "Marc H." View Post

Hi Drvais,

The Forums on the internet are not an official Onkyo USA website. The Forums are just other customers who are posting their opinions. If it's at a repair center I would recommend contact Onkyo's Parts and Service Dept. at 1-201-785-2600-option#4.

Thank you,

Marc H.

I just love how big companies love to discount the internet forums as a valid source of info. I ran into similar responses a few years ago from Sony and Zenith. Granted that a lot of bull gets generated in the forums, but it still offers plenty of good & truthful info. Here's my response:



My response:
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Originally Posted by Me View Post

Marc,

I realize that the "Forums on the internet" do not represent Onkyo USA. However, if several different people from around the country who are unknown to each other report having the exact same issue with the product, I would say this is indicative of a minor issue that necessitates Onkyo's awareness.

I just called the number you provided and spoke to someone in parts. She was completely unaware of the issue but said she wasn't in a position to do anything about it.

At this point, I'm crossing my fingers that the local service center can troubleshoot the problem and resolve it. Nevertheless, I still think your company should look into this matter so that more customers do not have to send in a brand new receiver to fix an annoying video issue.
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post #1948 of 3560
1/26/10 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by janzing View Post

I started reading the thread and 50+ pages is brutal to search for an answer, so I inquire of you gurus:

I've had my 707 for a week and it does great with ovies and cable via HDMI. DVDs good via HDMI and coax digital. I've spent a good bit of time reading and experimenting. For the most part, I feel like I have a handle on it.

What's not right is playing of CDs.

I am using the 707 pre- outs to a couple amps.
I have front speakers set up full range.
I've tried assorted modes but all are anemic with the CD player. I have a decent CD player - Jolida - and I thought direct or pure audio modes would be good but it just seems like there is no power there; the speakers are not being driven and are missing low end. Turning up the volume has little effect.

The headphone jack is putting out; sounds good with CD.

I've tried both the component audio in and coax digital from the CD player. I figured I wanted to use the DAC in the Jolida, so I was expecting component to work.

Just don't see what I am missing. If the CD player was having an issue, don't see why headphone jack would put out full spectrum sound.

Anything y'all can think of to check? I guess I will test hooking the front LR directly to the amp but since PSW and DVDs seem to be utilizing the pre- outs well... just don't get it.

This thing should be kickin' with redbook.

After having reread your post, I may now have an answer for you.
Try setting the listening mode to stereo. It will output at 2.1 and allow your sub to do it's magic. The pure audio mode doesn't quite cut it for me as you are only getting sound from the fronts.
Hope this helps.
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post #1949 of 3560
1/26/10 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs View Post

Have you tried setting the HDMI output to Through or Auto? Other than that, you might just run component video direct to the TV.

Yes, tried that. No succes. I've connected the dreambox directly to the TV now. No problems at all. Allthough I think the image is slightly better from the Onkyo.

Is it possible to disable the blue led light from the volume control? I find the led way to bright. It's annoying me...
Have searched in the manual, haven't found it...

Maybe I have to do a hardware mod.
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post #1950 of 3560
1/26/10 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by subsense View Post

Yes, tried that. No succes. I've connected the dreambox directly to the TV now. No problems at all. Allthough I think the image is slightly better from the Onkyo.

Is it possible to disable the blue led light from the volume control? I find the led way to bright. It's annoying me...
Have searched in the manual, haven't found it...

Maybe I have to do a hardware mod.

Just use the DIM function. It steps through brightness levels for the display and the first step turns off the volume led.
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