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post #1 of 99
Thread Starter 
This is from machine's manitenance manual

the following is the general princinpal of CBHD player TCL THBD-1008



this is the internal view of TCL THBD-1008


This is the motherboard of the player


above red numbers are:
Chip No.1

Silicon Image HDMI 1.3a transmitter
model: Sil9134CTU

chip No.2

Anchor Bay video processing chip
model: ABT1018
function: upconvert and optimize NEC EMMA3 chip's 1080i signal to 1080p
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post #2 of 99
Thread Starter 
chip No.3

ABT1018 Processing RAM
MODEL: EM638325TS. speed: 6ns, bandwidth: 32bit
storage size: 64Mbits, total storage size: 16MB, total bandwidth: 64bit。

chip no.4
Spansion 256Mbit NOR flash memory:
model: S29GL256N90T, 32MB, for storaging firmware.
chip No.5
SST 4Mb flash memory
storage size: 512KB,bandwidth: 16bits
serves for NEC 64bit MIPS processor VR5701C.

chip No.6
NEC USB controller
model: μPD720102, support USB 2.0

chip No.7
RealTek Ethernet Controller
model: RTL8100C, 10/100Mbps
NOTE: above two chips have no use in CBHD player so far.


chip No.8

Analog Devices audio processor
model: SHARC DSP-21262, for decoding Dolby Digital TureHD etc.

-the end-
translation is indeed mind-blowing......
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post #3 of 99
The internal view picture and the motherboard picture in the first post don't seem to be of the same player. Looks like the internal view picture has no analog 5.1 connectors in the back (a la A30) and the motherboard pic has got the analog 5.1 connectors (a la A35).

I think the motherboard pic is from a Toshiba A35, just added for information purposes. The cable from the Power Supply is also not the same on the internal view pic as on the motherboard pic. The picture is probably just added to show where the different components are placed.

Anyway, it seems like they are using the Toshiba A30 and A35 motherboards for the CBHD players. Maybe the only difference is in the firmware.

Is it possible for you open up your player and see what is the name of the drive, and see if the motherboard is marked Toshiba?
post #4 of 99
263629749, could you post the link to the Stor-age.com article you used? I notice the Stor-age.com watermark in the second motherboard image. For anyone curious Stor-age.com is a Chinese website which for example took apart the HD-A3.
post #5 of 99
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul View Post

263629749, could you post the link to the Stor-age.com article you used? I notice the Stor-age.com watermark in the second motherboard image. For anyone curious Stor-age.com is a Chinese website which for example took apart the HD-A3.

the motherboard image and all above images are from a pdf file, maybe it's Stor-age.com who just shot this photo and compile this pdf file.
I searched the Storage website, no related user reports found except the link you post about HD-A30.
post #6 of 99
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Viking61 View Post

The internal view picture and the motherboard picture in the first post don't seem to be of the same player. Looks like the internal view picture has no analog 5.1 connectors in the back (a la A30) and the motherboard pic has got the analog 5.1 connectors (a la A35).

I think the motherboard pic is from a Toshiba A35, just added for information purposes. The cable from the Power Supply is also not the same on the internal view pic as on the motherboard pic. The picture is probably just added to show where the different components are placed.

Anyway, it seems like they are using the Toshiba A30 and A35 motherboards for the CBHD players. Maybe the only difference is in the firmware.

Is it possible for you open up your player and see what is the name of the drive, and see if the motherboard is marked Toshiba?

The internal view picture is indeed taken from a TCL THBD-1008, and this model is based on HD-A30, and the motherboard is no doubt from Toshiba, CBHD just did some firmware modification and power supply adjustment( to 220V)

Just 8 hours ago, Shinco CBHD-9100 was announced, it's likely to be a HD-A35 based model, superior to TCL THBD-1008, pic in the following:


i currently didn't own a CBHD player, mine is HD-XA2.
i have some HDDVD titles, i think i can try them in the nearest store which sell CBHD players. and i'll keep the news updated.
post #7 of 99
Do you have the latest firmware on your HD-XA2? If so could you try a CBHD movie on it?
post #8 of 99
What happened with this? Did anyone try a HD DVD disc yet? Would love to see a hack firmware able to support both formats. Looks like these are just re-badged Toshiba HD DVD players with a firmware tweak.

This could be a real dark horse. $8 HD Movies would be awesome
post #9 of 99
This thread has my interest.
post #10 of 99
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Originally Posted by Emannikcufesin View Post

This thread has my interest.

I'm interested too.
post #11 of 99
Me three...
post #12 of 99
The China High-Definition DVD Industry Association (CHDA) on Thursday announced its development plans for the China Blue High-Definition (CBHD) disc format at a conference in Guangzhou.

By next year, the Association plans to see an increase in CBHD vendors from the current 2 companies to 10, with a total of 1,000 CBHD programs offered, and sales of 1 mln CBHD players in 2010, eventually reaching 10 mln units within three years.

The Association also unveiled a new generation CBHD disc, which is based on the Chinese-owned Audio Video Standard (AVS) and copy-protection (DKAA) systems.

CAV Warner Home Entertainment said at the conference that aside from itself, U.S.-based content providers including Universal and National Gepgraphic will also support the CBHD format.

Both CAV Warner and China Record have released dozens of CBHD products, and plan to surpass 100 releases within the year. Video stores, Xinhua bookstores and a number of chain stores nationwide have begun sales, while e-commerce sites Joyo-Amazon and Dangdang also offer CBHD products online. The Association also stated that, in addition to content providers, consumer electronics retail giants Gome and Suning signed sales agreements in August, joining in to promote sales of CBHD players.

The Association added that next year it will focus on developing CBHD players and discs supporting non-Mandarin minority languages.

TCL and Shinco have already developed CBHD players. Li Dongsheng, chairman and president of TCL Corp., believes that changing from "red laser" to "blue laser" is the general trend. Along with the upgrading of Chinese domestic market color TV consumption, the development potential of CBHD products should be enormous.

The CBHD format is backed by China High-definition DVD industry Association (CHDA), the Optical Memory National Engineering Research Center (OMNERC) and the DVD Forum and it is based on Toshiba's HD DVD format.

The format is protected against piracy using the AACS content protection schemes, also used by the Blu-ray format. The Chinese government is supporting the CBHD format and is backing its introduction in China's industries financially. The government has already funded some manufacturers engaged in the CBHD format in order to accelerate CBHD projects.

The potential growth of the format in China has already become clear. In just a couple of months since it was launched, the cheaper all-Chinese CBHD players are thought to be outselling Blu-ray players at a rate of about three to one. The discs, priced at 50 yuan, set consumers back about a quarter of the cost of a Blu-ray.

China?s decision to back the new format ? the Government owns the critical software ? is understood to arise from a desire to protect its electronics industry from the royalty costs of using technology developed overseas. Chinese makers of ordinary DVD players have to pay about $22 per machine in royalty costs to a variety of patent holders; the dominance of Blu-ray would have condemned them to many more years of payments as that technology grew in market share.

From the perspective of Hollywood studios, meanwhile, the sale of movies on a cheap format may temporarily counteract the damage done by piracy. The Blu-ray released in the China territory have been hit by the so-called "BD-9" discs, which are currently sold in China for US$5.00. They are actually DVD-R discs that hold Blu-ray movies that have been re-compressed using the H.264 format. The specific discs are compatible with some Blu-ray players.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=25988
post #13 of 99
This would be awesome.
post #14 of 99
Where´s Wally?...(CBHD)


"Hong Kong Electronics Fair Autumn 2009"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CDNfPrMkWI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC2yCXcocx8

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Originally Posted by What HiFi View Post

HONG KONG: Blu-ray players - the Chinese are coming!
Andrew Everard 14 October 2009 04:28



Fine sunshine for the opening of the Hong Kong Electronics Fair's 2009 Autumn Edition, and while the show feels a little more compact than this time last year, there's a clear indication that the Hong Kong and mainland China- based companies represented here are moving into the TV and Blu-ray market in a very big way.

There may have been stories of late of China opting for its own high-definition disc format – known as China Blue –, but it's clear that whether you want a Full HD LCD TV or a bargain Blu-ray player, these companies are ready to deliver.

http://community.whathifi.com/blogs/...re-coming.aspx


http://hkelectronicsfairae.hktdc.com/

Roberto
post #15 of 99
Quote:


by Richard Lawler of EngadgetHD

We've given HD DVD's bastard child China Blue HD its due for a good start in its native land, but now that U.K. Importer GBAX has made a few units available it's time for English language buyers to at least consider this Blu-ray alternative. Of course, with a £259.99 ($413.22 U.S.) pricetag for this plain TCL player, AV and HD cables, plus 14 CBHD movies (The Aviator, Blood Diamond, The Invasion, The Island, Flood, Poseidon & 8 Chinese-only flicks) to get you started the barrier to entry is high, but as shown in the unboxing / preview video -- embedded after the break, watch for ninjas -- the experience is very familiar. As Format War Central points out, the 220/240Hz power cord makes things complicated for the U.S. and other places outside Europe, but hardcore HD DVD holdouts are used to a world filled with only Warner and Universal movies already, so why not give the other blue laser flavor a try? http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/10/13...ar-inevitable/

CBHD players available for purchase here http://gbax.com/
post #16 of 99
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Originally Posted by EngadgetHD View Post

We've given HD DVD's bastard child China Blue HD its due for a good start in its native land, but now that U.K. Importer GBAX has made a few units available it's time for English language buyers to at least consider this Blu-ray alternative.

Ah...Wally is in UK...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...in-London.html
http://www.findwally.co.uk/

Roberto
post #17 of 99
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Originally Posted by junglalien View Post

CBHD players available for purchase here http://gbax.com/

Will these work if connected to an American HDTV via HDMI?
post #18 of 99
This is a nice development, but I would like to see someone talented from China is able to use this hardware to load and run third party video software like VLC and make this into a media streaming hardware. I have XA1 and XA2 which I will be keeping for awhile, along with couple of BD-players.
post #19 of 99
I wonder if there is any way to update my HD DVD player's firmware to run these discs.
post #20 of 99
yes the firmware can be changed in the player to work both unit... most of the technology inside the player is from toshiba and the firmware is aswell..
post #21 of 99
Great, is anyone working on a solution for this?
post #22 of 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdxa1user View Post

yes the firmware can be changed in the player to work both unit... most of the technology inside the player is from toshiba and the firmware is aswell..

That's awesome. Here I sit and wait
post #23 of 99
I think there is a market for such a fw update if it in fact allows the HD DVD players to play both formats.
post #24 of 99
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Originally Posted by segaklon View Post

The Blu-ray released in the China territory have been hit by the so-called "BD-9" discs, which are currently sold in China for US$5.00. They are actually DVD-R discs that hold Blu-ray movies that have been re-compressed using the H.264 format. The specific discs are compatible with some Blu-ray players.

A "BD-9" is a DVDR DL disc that contains a full Bluray Movie structure in it. Not just some H264 files

Say, for example, you have a really short Bluray Movie (20 mins), that occupies, for example, only 7GBs out of the 25/50GBs of the bluray disc. This means you can copy it into a DVDR DL, which is much cheaper!

You can also compress a full 25/50GB movie into a BD-9, by reducing the bitrate/picture quality if you don't have a bluray recorder. The advantages over ripping the movie into some other format (ex mkv, dvix hd) is that you keep the whole bluray movie structure, such as menus and the like.
See: forum.videohelp.com/topic361854.html
corusa.com/public/Blu-Ray_Backup_Guide_milOtis.pdf

Although it's part of the BD spec, standalone support is really a hit or miss situation.

See also: cDVD (DVD-Video structure on CD)

As regards CBHD, don't expect to see it in US or Europe, ever. The hollywood studios aren't going to support it. It has smaller capacity that bluray and less copyprotection.
In the US, hollywood dictates the dominant media, and bluray is perfect for them. In China however, movies are published in the format the pirates choose (ex VCD/SVCD etc).
China has tried in the past to produce a competitor for the DVD called CVD, but because it used last gen technology and offered inferior picture, and didn't had any copy protection, it never made it on the Western world. Can't see why CBHD is different...
post #25 of 99
Um-Is'nt the intent of the studios supporting this format to isolate China from the rest of the world so as to recreate the "Great Wall of China" in order to try to control piracy & inflate non-china prices?

How effective was the first Great Wall of fending off attackers?
Ironic that this wall is intended to do the opposite.

Regardless, I would be intrested in playing with one of these players & software-but not for ~$400+ USD.
post #26 of 99
Picked this up on another forum. Can it be that the picture fake?



Look at the HD DVD logo next to the CBHD logo. It's supposed to be from a TCL player shown on CES 2010.

Link to the article:
HD DVD rides again -- Engadget
post #27 of 99
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Originally Posted by Viking61 View Post

Picked this up on another forum. Can it be that the picture fake?[/url]

Everything on the net could be fake, but it shouldnt be hard to make a CBHD player also play HD DVD. Its just software.
post #28 of 99
If Engadget posted it it is most likely legit, but the question is thing intended for release in the US? I highly doubt it.

CBHD players even with HD DVD playback capabilities have no place in the market where BD won over two years ago.

Do we need this thing when you can find decent name brand BD players approaching the $100 barrier? Catalog BD software is no longer overpriced especially if you watch for sales and do the age old shop around practice.

The studios are going to see to it that CBHD titles do not easily make their way into the grey import markets. And so far, is it not only Paramount and Warner (the final/sole HD DVD supporters) that have officially committed to releasing titles?
post #29 of 99
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Originally Posted by Toknowshita View Post

CBHD players even with HD DVD playback capabilities have no place in the market where BD won over two years ago.

Unless you have HD DVD titles and wants a extra player. And if it has improved startup times some will even replace their old HD DVD player.

And that it also plays CBHD is just a bonus. If it played BD aswell we would have a real winner.
post #30 of 99
FWIW, if you actually look at the HD DVD logo, it's similar (possibly identical) to the original logo for the CBHD format, which used to be called "CH DVD" and "HD DVD China". In other words, still not the DVD Forum's official HD DVD format.
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