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post #31 of 92
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

The room dimensions are not well defined as my family room connects to the kitchen and there are several windows and sliding glass door. Ceilings are 10ft or 11ft.

My rear are in the celing and got them when the house was built. I cant recall the details on them, ie brand

I want to change the L/C/R...SCS-01 for all 3 is about $570 shipped
Ascends CMT340 L/C/R B stock $458 plus $240=$700 plus shipping
add a sub for $300...up to $900-1100

what elemental designs sub did you buy?

I have the eD A2-300 which is $350 shipped to your door. I don't think you will find a sub that offers more bang for your buck (there is some great info on these various subs in the dedicated subwoofer forum).

As cschang mentioned SVS makes very good subs as well, and they will most likely give you a 5% discount on your sub, but even their cheapest sub is going to run you close to $500 after the discount.

One more option would be to go with something like this if you get the Ascends:
http://www.beachaudio.com/Bic-Americ...tm_content=atr

But I think with your space the eD (or possibly SVS) sub would give you better performance.

And this is just one mans opinion
post #32 of 92
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Originally Posted by browninggold View Post

Keep checking....he lucked out that they had these he auditioned for: Ascend CMT-340 SE B-Stock {$488/pair shipped. I have seen 5Bs on Aperions site for less than the Ascends

Not sure what you are getting at...but the 5B is a lower model, so I would expect it to be less expensive than the 6B. The 5B is in the class of the SBS-01 and HTM-200SE as far as FR is concerned.

Full boat on the CMT-340SE is $598/shipped vs $690 for the 6B.
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post #34 of 92
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

As cschang mentioned SVS makes very good subs as well, and they will most likely give you a 5% discount on your sub, but even their cheapest sub is going to run you close to $500 after the discount.

I thought the discount was larger than that....sorry.

My advice: With all these speaker systems in this thread, they are all good, and provide great bang for the buck. That said, I would not skimp on the sub.
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post #36 of 92
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I know a speaker can't be judged based on numbers...but Sensitivity @ 82 db

OPEN BOX Intimus 6B Bookshelf Speaker
Frequency Response (+/- 3dB) 48-20,000 Hz -- (+/- 6dB) 42-22,000 Hz
Impedance 8 Ohms
Sensitivity 82 dB
Recommended Power 50 - 200 Watts
Amplifier Power
Tweeter 1" Audiophile-grade Silk-Dome Tweeter
Midrange
Woofer 6.5" Woven-Fiberglass Composite Woofer
Driver Configuration 2-Way
Enclosure Type 1" HDF, Ported
Dimensions 15" H x 8.3" W x 12.8" D
Weight 26 lbs
post #37 of 92
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Originally Posted by deepstang View Post

I know a speaker can't be judged based on numbers...but Sensitivity @ 82 db

OPEN BOX Intimus 6B Bookshelf Speaker
Frequency Response (+/- 3dB) 48-20,000 Hz -- (+/- 6dB) 42-22,000 Hz
Impedance 8 Ohms
Sensitivity 82 dB
Recommended Power 50 - 200 Watts
Amplifier Power
Tweeter 1" Audiophile-grade Silk-Dome Tweeter
Midrange
Woofer 6.5" Woven-Fiberglass Composite Woofer
Driver Configuration 2-Way
Enclosure Type 1" HDF, Ported
Dimensions 15" H x 8.3" W x 12.8" D
Weight 26 lbs

82db is very low imo. Depending on listening habits, you're going to need some decent power for these to fill a room. However, with some higher end speakers, many use seperate and/or higher power amps to drive them.

OP - Very nice writeup and good choice on speakers!
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post #39 of 92
Please don't let this thread get hijacked by the Aperion obsessive. If that guy has a comparative review to post, let him post it.

I would say that efficiency is definitely a consideration, though, particularly if your space is large or your power is limited. The Pio Elite 01 nealh was asking about isn't exactly a powerhouse, so maybe he should look again at the Hsu...
post #40 of 92
Thread Starter 
WOW! I go on lunch break and when I come back there are 20 new posts

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Originally Posted by deepstang View Post

So, the SCS would have been your 2nd choice? I know for my set-up you were recommending the HSU due its great sensitivity and off-axis performance. One thing that I did notice was that you were ranking the HSU last for the "Extreme off-axis test" and the "stand up / sit down vertical test". More than likely I will have the speakers on a 40" stand because my TV is mounted 6 feet high above the mantle .

I wanted to ask if you could also comment on which speakers you thought was the most forward....and perhaps the best one for primary HT use. Thanks again for your time to this tread.

I think that no matter what L/C/R speakers you chose mounting them that high could work IF they are angled down, so they are directly facing toward ear-height at the listening position. They all had a relatively "forward" sound to them except for the Emotivas which tended to create a very nice subtle depth to the sound-stage. This creates a very natural space around the sound which enhances both music and home theater listening. It is the ONLY speaker under $1000 that I have heard do this! They will all do home theater well, but another important consideration that it sounds like you must take into account is how much space you will have between the rear of the speaker and the wall. If you will have less than 8" of space (for the mains or center channel) than I would recommend you consider sealed speaker designs (SVS and Emotiva). With rear facing ports the the speakers will tend to sound bloated and muddy if not given enough room.

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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Hey, I am originally from Lakeland, FL and my family still lives there (I know live outside Salt Lake City, Utah).

Small world indeed

Cool!

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Originally Posted by browninggold View Post

What no review of Aperion speakers ?????? Should be illegal

I had definitely considered Aperion B-Stock, but the prices for the mains and center channel that I was interested in was just over my budget. And because of the low sensitivities of their bookshelf speakers (5B = 84db , 6B = 82db) I would need to use an external amplifier to get the dynamic headroom that I need. [100W@90db (sensitivity) = 400W@84db (sensitivity)] Double the power required for every 3db increase in output.

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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

ack_bk...truly a small world. I work in Lakeland and Brandon, FL.

Muzikal-JRNE..thanks for the offer. I will PM you.

Now the question is should I get the SCS01 and used the saved money to get a new sub as well vs just the CMT 340 L/C/R and no new sub? My old sub is again from 6yr old Onkyo HTIB HT500. I have no idea the spec on it...it could be pure crap for all I know.

I would definitely get the SCS-01 and use the saved money for an upgraded sub. For primarily home theater use the SCS-01 sounds close enough to the CMT-340 that the price savings would definitely be more effectively spent going towards finding a sub able to keep up with your main speakers.

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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Muzikal-JRNE.....any thoughts on adding acoustical treatments to your room? It is always good to see people take the time to compare speakers in their own environment, it really offers you a better understanding that reading the individual praises of good speakers really can not help you compare.

The acoustics of my family room space is actually pretty well balanced in its current state for being untreated. I am in the process of buying a house which will have a very live sound "without treatment" in my home theater space due to having tile floors, and I will definitely be experimenting with room treatments in the space to determine what works best.
post #41 of 92
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They will all do home theater well, but another important consideration that it sounds like you must take into account is how much space you will have between the rear of the speaker and the wall. If you will have less than 8" of space (for the mains or center channel) than I would recommend you consider sealed speaker designs (SVS and Emotiva). With rear facing ports the the speakers will tend to sound bloated and muddy if not given enough room

is this true for HSU but not the CMT340?
post #42 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

is this true for HSU but not the CMT340?

It is true for both the HSU and Ascend speakers because both are rear ported designs.
post #43 of 92
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Originally Posted by Muzikal-JRNE View Post

It is true for both the HSU and Ascend speakers because both are rear ported designs.

OK thanks, this maybe a real issue for me. 8in away from a wall, not sure the wife is going to accept that.

Maybe I am best suited to go with SCS 01 L/C/R and ED A2-300 sub
post #44 of 92
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

OK thanks, this maybe a real issue for me. 8in away from a wall, not sure the wife is going to accept that.

Maybe I am best suited to go with SCS 01 L/C/R and ED A2-300 sub

But make sure the front of the speakers are in front of the plane of the TV and/or bookshelf.
post #45 of 92
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

But make sure the front of the speakers are in front of the plane of the TV and/or bookshelf.

not sure I understand what you mean? The speakers will not be at the edge of the shelf, there pushed back on the entertainment center.
post #46 of 92
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

not sure I understand what you mean? The speakers will not be at the edge of the shelf, there pushed back on the entertainment center.

If that is your only choice, then there is not much you can do, but the idea is to free the sound coming from the speaker from any immediate reflections.

If on a shelf and pushed back and not at the edge, the sound will immediately reflect off of the surface it is sitting on. If all the surfaces are behind the face of the speaker, reflections are reduced greatly.

A TV between two speakers...which almost all of us have, is damaging to the imaging and soundstage speakers create.....it is one huge reflective surface, which is why for the best sound, you want to have the speakers as far in front of that surface as possible/practical. If behind that surface, it blocks some of that even dispersion we want to have.

It is like talking and using your hands to create a megaphone....same type of an effect.
post #47 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

If that is your only choice, then there is not much you can do, but the idea is to free the sound coming from the speaker from any immediate reflections.

If on a shelf and pushed back and not at the edge, the sound will immediately reflect off of the surface it is sitting on. If all the surfaces are behind the face of the speaker, reflections are reduced greatly.

A TV between two speakers...which almost all of us have, is damaging to the imaging and soundstage speakers create.....it is one huge reflective surface, which is why for the best sound, you want to have the speakers as far in front of that surface as possible/practical. If behind that surface, it blocks some of that even dispersion we want to have.

It is like talking and using your hands to create a megaphone....same type of an effect.

I agree with Cutris. Maybe whenever you get your new speakers you can tell your wife that you would just like to place them at the edge of the shelf for a couple of days while you are getting things set up. Hopefully after a few days she will get use to them in their new home. A little Sweet Talkin' never hurts either.

Proper speaker placement plays a critical role in moving up from decent sound to GREAT sound. With any on these speakers you are considering you have the opportunity for GREAT sound in your home.
post #48 of 92
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

If that is your only choice, then there is not much you can do, but the idea is to free the sound coming from the speaker from any immediate reflections.

If on a shelf and pushed back and not at the edge, the sound will immediately reflect off of the surface it is sitting on. If all the surfaces are behind the face of the speaker, reflections are reduced greatly.

A TV between two speakers...which almost all of us have, is damaging to the imaging and soundstage speakers create.....it is one huge reflective surface, which is why for the best sound, you want to have the speakers as far in front of that surface as possible/practical. If behind that surface, it blocks some of that even dispersion we want to have.

It is like talking and using your hands to create a megaphone....same type of an effect.

I understand never thought about that. I did move speakers away from the wall and noticed the sound was much better tonight. Crap, my sub is in the worst place possible now. It is sort of in a cubby. Really no other place I can place it.

I am going to move the speakers and see what happens prior to buying anything new. Not sure where to move the sub. The center channel is in front and below the TV, on top shelf of the TV stand.
post #49 of 92
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

I understand never thought about that. I did move speakers away from the wall and noticed the sound was much better tonight. Crap, my sub is in the worst place possible now. It is sort of in a cubby. Really no other place I can place it.

I am going to move the speakers and see what happens prior to buying anything new. Not sure where to move the sub. The center channel is in front and below the TV, on top shelf of the TV stand.

The sub usually works best in a corner of the room. It doesn't have to be in the front of the room either. There are plenty of people that place their sub to the side of a wall or the back of the room. A good test is to place the sub in your normal listening position, play some heavy bass, and crawl around the floor listening for the spot where you get the cleanest bass response. This would identify a good place for your sub. You wife may think your crazy for crawling around on the floor, but by now she is probably used to it
post #50 of 92
Saw this in another thread, the Emotiva ERM-1's are being closed out at a great price. This is a great bang for the buck speaker, just keep in mind they are 4 ohm speakers that need a sub.

http://emotiva.com/erm1.shtm
post #51 of 92
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Originally Posted by KnowledgeSeeker View Post

Saw this in another thread, the Emotiva ERM-1's are being closed out at a great price. This is a great bang for the buck speaker, just keep in mind they are 4 ohm speakers that need a sub.

http://emotiva.com/erm1.shtm

Wow. That is a great price. Free shipping if you order 3 as well. That makes them cheaper than the SVS speakers by about $100 if you factor in shipping costs as well. But you are right, you will want either a receiver or amp that supports 4 ohm.
post #52 of 92
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Wow. That is a great price. Free shipping if you order 3 as well. That makes them cheaper than the SVS speakers by about $100 if you factor in shipping costs as well. But you are right, you will want either a receiver or amp that supports 4 ohm.

Are ERM-1s better speakers (or have better reviews) than the SCS-01??
post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

I have the eD A2-300 which is $350 shipped to your door. I don't think you will find a sub that offers more bang for your buck (there is some great info on these various subs in the dedicated subwoofer forum).

As cschang mentioned SVS makes very good subs as well, and they will most likely give you a 5% discount on your sub, but even their cheapest sub is going to run you close to $500 after the discount.

One more option would be to go with something like this if you get the Ascends:
http://www.beachaudio.com/Bic-Americ...tm_content=atr

But I think with your space the eD (or possibly SVS) sub would give you better performance.

And this is just one mans opinion

im running 3 ascend 340s across the front l/r/c and an a2-300 as well and that is one great sub for the money. the 340's just speak for themselves fantastic speakers.
post #54 of 92
how does everyone like the svs scs for music? ive read enough reviews to know for home theater they should be great but im thinking of pairing the scs set with an ed a2-300 and once the break in is over they will be judged on linkin parks live at milton keys blu ray.
post #55 of 92
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Originally Posted by ceiph View Post

how does everyone like the svs scs for music? ive read enough reviews to know for home theater they should be great but im thinking of pairing the scs set with an ed a2-300 and once the break in is over they will be judged on linkin parks live at milton keys blu ray.

I like mine for music. I watched/listened to The Police's "Certifiable" Blu-Ray this weekend and was very impressed with the sound quality compared to my Polk Towers. The SVS speakers had better imaging and soundstage. BTW, I also have an eD A2-300 and I am very happy with the SVS SCS-01 and eD combo.
post #56 of 92
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

I like mine for music. I watched/listened to The Police's "Certifiable" Blu-Ray this weekend and was very impressed with the sound quality compared to my Polk Towers. The SVS speakers had better imaging and soundstage. BTW, I also have an eD A2-300 and I am very happy with the SVS SCS-01 and eD combo.

is the SCS-01 center channel just a main horizontal oriented???
post #57 of 92
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

is the SCS-01 center channel just a main horizontal oriented???

the scs started its life as a center and was sold only with sbs speakers. it was turned vertical and made into mains (i believe when they did this they tweaked the tweeter positioning)
post #58 of 92
If any of you are interested, Emotiva has the ERM-1s on closeout for $149 each - 10$ shipping - unless you buy 3 or more - then its free shipping. I just bought 3 for my bedroom - with an HK 247 to drive them.

For any of you worried about driving the Emotiva 4 ohm speakers, I used an Onkyo 506 to drive my HT speakers - 8.3s - AV123 Bigfoot center - and Emotiva ERT surrounds with no ill affects. The 506 is not a power house by any stretch. It never did go into protect mode - but I didn't drive it too hard either.

Muzikal-JRNE: great post on some very good speakers. Keep up the fine work.
post #59 of 92
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

For any of you worried about driving the Emotiva 4 ohm speakers, I used an Onkyo 506 to drive my HT speakers - 8.3s - AV123 Bigfoot center - and Emotiva ERT surrounds with no ill affects. The 506 is not a power house by any stretch. It never did go into protect mode - but I didn't drive it too hard either.

Muzikal-JRNE: great post on some very good speakers. Keep up the fine work.

Weren't you using that Onk 506 temporarily because your other reciever was fried? We won't blame the 4ohms BTW, when you did use the Onk...how many speakers total were you pushing along with the Emotiva?

Muzikal-JRNE , did you ever specify which receiver you used to test all these speakers?
post #60 of 92
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Originally Posted by deepstang View Post

Weren't you using that Onk 506 temporarily because your other reciever was fried? We won't blame the 4ohms BTW, when you did use the Onk...how many speakers total were you pushing along with the Emotiva?

I'll forgive you for not so great memory.

No receiver died/fried. My 5.1 speaker setup is:

Fronts: Emotiva ERTs
Center: AV123 "bigfoot"
Surrounds: Emotiva ERDs

Usually driven by the Onkyo SC885/UPA-7 combo. When the 885 coughed up a video chip I stuck the 506 in to drive the speakers while waiting for the 885 to come back.

The Onkyo 506 did an adequate job - at moderate sound levels of driving these speakers - running a tad warm - but never did go into protect mode.

And my point - in case you missed it - many speakers rated at 4 ohms can be driven by the average AVR. Some are difficult to drive and need external amps - or a very stout AVR - the Emo speakers do not require it.

Read this review in which the reviewer tested the Emo speakers for dips in impedance - and came to the conclusion that the "average" AVR should have no problem driving the Emo speakers.

I am in no way advocating anyone with a 506 Onkyo go out and buy the Emo 5.0 or 7.0 expecting it to drive that speaker package. However, anyone with a "stout" AVR such as an Onkyo 875 or a 906 should be able to do just that with no problems.

And remember - no receivers were "fried" in my home. Not yet at least.
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