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LP experience: Digital better than Analog?

post #1 of 14
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I just want to share my experience in connecting my Stanton T-90 turntable through both the analog and digital inputs. Initially, I have planned to focus on analog sounding setup, playing my old LPs (old as in the great unwashed mass of immigrants...I need to get the record cleaning machine).
Never completely satisfied with the LP's sounds from the analog only (through HK 3490), I changed to the digital connection, and damn! it sounds fuller, less muddled, and the subwoofer came to life.

With the analog, there was more of an audio blurring, of different sounds trying to come out but somehow poorly blended together, becoming puree like.

The digital seemed to allowed the different sounds to come out more clearly defined, attractive as a chopped salad brightly decorated with healthy vegetables and nuts.

Granted, I am not a professional audiophile, but I love music and want to make it part of my daily entertainment now that the kids have taken over the cable tv and my other systems. This is the one last refuge for me and my LPs.


Speakers: R-50 Polk
SW: Energy
HK 3490
Stanton T90-USB turntable
post #2 of 14
I think you have answered your own question - at least with regard to your own listening preferences. Now maybe you will want to try some well-recorded CDs?
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
Ha...guess I have...but I know that there are serious audiophiles who swear by their analog system, especially with reference to vinyl. After looking at the various necessary steps to wash and clean the old vinyl records, I'm thinking, gosh...all that work!

Now, talking about the well recorded CDs...I am always partial to Future Sound of London and Chemical Brothers...I eventually explored the SACDs, but having missed that trend, I tried DVD-A, and now the Blu Ray discs are where it's at. Maybe sticking with the vinyl is not a bad idea.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

Ha...guess I have...but I know that there are serious audiophiles who swear by their analog system, especially with reference to vinyl.

there are "serious audiophiles" who swear by a lot of things... that doesn't make them correct...
post #5 of 14
For the first time in a while, I sat down earlier this week and played a few records. The sound was warm, sweet and smooth; I wanted to play more, but there was a slight problem with the table's speed (it began running slow for some reason). I hope it's not going to die on me soon, as I recently upgraded other things and don't have the money for major upgrades on a turntable. It's a VPI HW19-MkIV, purchased way back in 1993.

By contrast, yesterday I was playing CDs on one of my recent upgrades, a McIntosh MCD301; I was done after 3 CDs. There just wasn't the urge to keep going. As good as the 301 is, I was more at ease with the vinyl. It may be I need to upgrade my amplification (2 pair of B&K monos), it may be the particular selections, but the vinyl was a more connective experience. The 301 isn't fully broken in, I suppose, but I'm not sure that's the difference.
post #6 of 14
its a tuff one, find myself with a foot in both camps on the record /cd thing.

in my opinion it comes down to your preference in music mostly, as before you look at anything else, you have to appreciate that the quality of the recording makes a larger difference to the ability of the system than anything else.

recordings on vinyl made in and before the 80's have a vastly larger dynamic scale for a start-and i mean VASTLY. and also tend to hold more information about the background/room ect that today is cut out of the recording much more effectively-but many ppl like this information.
modern records realy arnt as impressive and do tend to be muddled as they are mastered digitally then dac'd to vinyl-that kills the quality.

i feel that turntable sound better with valves also.-many will disagree.
but in my experience nearly all valve power amp users also use high efficiency speakers-and they (imo) happen to be a MUST for good sound reproduction.

so one choice tends to lead to preference in another.

in your case- if you find yourself listening to the likes of chemical brothers ect then the recordings of that type have information in the lower registers not available on a record- so due to the music being driver by the bass in this type of music i would strongly suggest cd/ solid state amplification is the only choice.
i do think the majority of sound quality improvement is avalible through better speakers-so concentrate efforts there- go diy if you can -its sooo worth it!
ps if you like chemical brothers -have you tried;
morcheeba
massive attack,
trentmoller,
zero 7,
groove armada
goldfrapp,
hot chip'
ladyhawke,
modjo,
mylo,
ect??
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

I just want to share my experience in connecting my Stanton T-90 turntable through both the analog and digital inputs. Initially, I have planned to focus on analog sounding setup, playing my old LPs (old as in the great unwashed mass of immigrants...I need to get the record cleaning machine).
Never completely satisfied with the LP's sounds from the analog only (through HK 3490), I changed to the digital connection, and damn! it sounds fuller, less muddled, and the subwoofer came to life.

With the analog, there was more of an audio blurring, of different sounds trying to come out but somehow poorly blended together, becoming puree like.

The digital seemed to allowed the different sounds to come out more clearly defined, attractive as a chopped salad brightly decorated with healthy vegetables and nuts.

Granted, I am not a professional audiophile, but I love music and want to make it part of my daily entertainment now that the kids have taken over the cable tv and my other systems. This is the one last refuge for me and my LPs.


Speakers: R-50 Polk
SW: Energy
HK 3490
Stanton T90-USB turntable

I use a VPI machine to clean records. There are less expensive options available also. Check Audio Advisor.
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
lbaccoustics ,
You bring up a good point about the dynamics range from the recording back in the 80's and earlier. It would explain why my memories of music sounding so much better back then then now. Although i did not have a high gear turntable, (back then, it was just a record player!) still I remember how great the sounds were back then...

Whoa! you got a great list of musicans that I need to check out, although I know a few of them: moorcheba massic attack, and zero 7etc. Yesterday I listened to FSOL's Son of the Far Out Lung or whatever, and I just can't get over how I am still discovering or re-discovering new sounds...


Later dude.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
prepress, yeah, I am concerned about the need to "wash" my albums...wish it was as simple as loading up the dishwashing machine...hmm, maybe just a quick rinse???
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

prepress, yeah, I am concerned about the need to "wash" my albums...wish it was as simple as loading up the dishwashing machine...hmm, maybe just a quick rinse???

At the least, a proper brush and cleaning fluid would do it. The plus for the machines is they'll dry the LP also, the vacuum taking up excess fluid. If you have really dirty records, a machine might be the best solution. Nitty Gtitty makes one (Record Doctor) which is simpler than the VPIs for less money.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

prepress, yeah, I am concerned about the need to "wash" my albums...wish it was as simple as loading up the dishwashing machine...hmm, maybe just a quick rinse???

Do yourself a favor and buy a spray bottle, distilled water and rubbing alcohol.
Do a 50/50 mix. Spray on the vinyl and wipe in with a record brush. Wipe off with a piece of clean cotton cloth, moistened with more distilled water, and then a dry cloth.

I like to do one more step, and use a clean brush attachment on a vaccum to suck up any remaining particles, while still moist.
Its a lot cheaper than those machines, and it will bring those LPs back to at least 95% like new.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

Never completely satisfied with the LP's sounds from the analog only (through HK 3490), I changed to the digital connection, and damn! it sounds fuller, less muddled, and the subwoofer came to life.

Does your turntable have both analog and digital outputs?
Maybe you just prefer the digital one. There are lots of reasons this could
be. As long as you are happy, then smile
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by dknightd View Post

Does your turntable have both analog and digital outputs?
Maybe you just prefer the digital one. There are lots of reasons this could
be. As long as you are happy, then smile

yeah i was wondering how this happened as well--how did you manage to connect the table to a digital connection? was there a dac involved somewhere before the avr? some kind of eq involved? a phono preamp? in any case glad youre enjoying the table--cleaning does make such a difference...
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by natchie View Post

Never completely satisfied with the LP's sounds from the analog only (through HK 3490), I changed to the digital connection, and damn! it sounds fuller, less muddled, and the subwoofer came to life.

With the analog, there was more of an audio blurring, of different sounds trying to come out but somehow poorly blended together, becoming puree like.

The digital seemed to allowed the different sounds to come out more clearly defined, attractive as a chopped salad brightly decorated with healthy vegetables and nuts.

There are a number of possible explanations for what you perceive.

When you use the digital connnection, you change a lot more than just the connection. You also change other parts of the signal path. You also no doubt change the loudness that your turntable plays at for a given position of your receiver's volume control. This alone can bias your preferences.

When you use the digital connection, you are switching between using the phono preamp in the turntable to the phono preamp in the receiver. It is possible that the phono preamp in the turntable is a better match to the turntable and cartridge than the phono preamp in the receiver.

Phono preamps are somewhat different from other amplifiers in that their input can interact with the phono cartrdige and lead to audible differences in the cartridge's frequency response.

Of course, you may unknowingly favor one path over the other because of something that you read or were told that you now don't recall.

So, there are a number of reasoanble explanations but without further study, its hard to say which is the most important one.
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