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post #451 of 956
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Originally Posted by Tachy View Post

Also, anyone know of any discrete on/off codes for the remote, using the samsung 3090?

(or perhaps any work-a-rounds?)

On my sa 8300hd there used to be a work-a-round for the lack of discrete on/off codes for my remote, since it would turn on with # keys, but cannot find anything similar for the 3090.

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Originally Posted by hdtvfan2005 View Post

The 3090 uses the same codes as the SA boxes so you should be able to find a discrete code. Maybe they did remove that feature but you can easily use your current SA remote with it.

There are no discrete power codes for either box... I have seen reports from several IR code hackers on Remote Central indicate that no discrete power codes exist for the SA units. While we can hope that Samsung may have slipped them into their firmware, if they did they have not been "discovered" that I am aware of.

The Samsung's do not respond to a channel input (while in the off state) as a pseudo power on command, as the SA boxes do. The best workaround is just to leave them on all the time.
post #452 of 956
I was afraid that was the answer (but kind of expected it). I am not sure why none of these cable box companies care to add discrete codes. The only thing more annoying is my pioneer wireless headphones that have no remote on/off codes at all.
post #453 of 956
Hi All,

I apologize in advance for some of these novice questions regarding the sammy SMT-H3090

1) I'm looking to buy an HD DVR and was lokking at at the Tivo and Moxi HD DVRs when I run into the SMT-H3090 here on Samsung's website. It says its a tru 2 way DVR. Does this mean that I won't need a cable card or an SDV adapter from my cable provider (cox)?

2) If it is- would you guys say from experience that it would be a cheap alternative to other dvrs on the market today and does it's job fairly well?

Thanks!!!
post #454 of 956
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Hi All,

I apologize in advance for some of these novice questions regarding the sammy SMT-H3090

1) I'm looking to buy an HD DVR and was lokking at at the Tivo and Moxi HD DVRs when I run into the SMT-H3090 here on Samsung's website. It says its a tru 2 way DVR. Does this mean that I won't need a cable card or an SDV adapter from my cable provider (cox)?

2) If it is- would you guys say from experience that it would be a cheap alternative to other dvrs on the market today and does it's job fairly well?

Thanks!!!

The Samsung is currently available only as a lease from your friendly Time Warner or BrightHouse cable system. It is a tru2way device, however, which means that it COULD theoretically show up as a retail device. However, ALL tru2way devices, by definition, use a CableCard that will always be available only from the cable operator who's system the device is deployed within.

tru2way is mainly about the common application platform running in the device that allows the cable operator to download and run their guide (and other apps) on your TV or DVR... the basics of the CableCard separable security are not significantly different than what you would deal with with your TiVo or Moxi.
post #455 of 956
Thanks!!! I think I'm beginning to understand now. I live in AZ where cox is the only available cable provider and charges a ridiculous $23 per month for leasing a SA DVR. I've been looking for a cheaper DVR STB (Tivo & Moxi HD DVRs are way too expensive in my opinion) and was wondering if we're going to see any alternatives any time soon.

If I somehow got my hands on the sammy SMT-3090, would it work for me as it's labeled as a tru 2 way STB DVR once I got my multi stream cable cards from cox? Is there any way for me to get my hands on one somewhere in the consumer market?

Thanks!!!
post #456 of 956
Well after writing a nice long reply to this post, my login timed out and I lost it all. Sucks, oh well now I will have to be brief.

First, great job to all and I especially like how people here are so patient with new post-ers that can't make time to look through all post.

Second, I just spent hours reading ALL the post and loved all the great info.

Third, I hate TW/Brighthouse but I have no other choice. (even my back porch in my apartment faces north).

I was in Orlando for years and always had issues but was kinda content with the SA8300. After being here for 2 months and not liking the new SMT-H3090 I decided to do research. This is what lead me here. I cleared an older WD My Book 320GB drive and plugged it in via USB. I was easily able to access the Diag screens and format the drive (thanks to you guys, you know who you are). After coming back from reboot the drive's status light (ring). Constantly flashed, as the DVR is always recording the chanel you are on this seemed a good sign.
I set it to record all HD content for the next 2 days. First thing I noticed is that after recording one 1 1/2 HR show and one 1/2 HR show it was almost to 10%. This did not seem like an improvement. I am now up to 13 hrs (HD) and 75% full. I will see what happens as it reaches 100% as no shows have been automatically deleted yet.
The Diag screens only show the ST drive and it's 130 (or so)GB but my status ring is still blinking as if it is being wrote to. I did do one test. I unplugged the box and rebooted with the drive disconnected. All the shows were still in the list but as soon as I tried playing one the screen went blank and all control was lost. I rebooted 2 more time with same effect. I then plugged the drive back in and all the shows played fine. This makes me think it is recording to the drive but not completely sure.



As a side note for you RoadRunner INTERNET captives, we have been upgraded to 10Mbps (if you had the 7Mbps service..at least here in Florida). For the past month and a half I was not able to watch news and HD content on the net like I had been back in Orlando. Only after I called did this improve. I talked to a tech and he was the one that made me aware of the upgrade (at the same time I could here him typing away at his keyboard). He then had me go to speedtest.tampabay.rr.com and see if there were any "network problems". I got close to the max every try (9800 9900 kbps etc). He said everything seemed to be fine (as if he did not just change something). He had me go to an HD site I was having trouble with and the HD movie trailers played seamlessly with the down load bar way in front of the play bar. Been doing great ever since. Off topic but might help.






post #457 of 956
I have the same problem, and tried the never delete setting but now when it gets to 17-18% full I get a prompt to delete stuff to make room for new recordings. HAve you had better luck? anyone have better luck in getting the DVR expander by Wd to work properly with the Samsung 3090?
post #458 of 956
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Originally Posted by clang81969 View Post

I have the WD 500 gb DVR expander and the 3090.
After a couple of tries I was able to get the 3090 to format the expander.
After which the capacity of my DVR dropped from 50% to about 10%.
Once the capacity reached 17% the DVR started to delete older content to free up space for new content.
It appears that once the internal drive is full data does not get written to the external drive.

I was told that TWC in NYC has the SA 8300 HDC and the 8000.
Has anyone gotten either of these or better yet the 390 to function with a dvr expander?

I have the same problem, and tried the never delete setting but now when it gets to 17-18% full I get a prompt to delete stuff to make room for new recordings. HAve you had better luck? anyone have better luck in getting the DVR expander by Wd to work properly with the Samsung 3090?
post #459 of 956
I asked this about a week ago.......but did not get a reply....does anybody know the answer?

I have tried the select up remote combination and it seems to work, but the select down button combo seems to just put the words "Diag" on the front of the box, but my screen seems to be blank.

Am I doing something wrong?

(I am using the samsung smt-h3090)

I apologize if someone replied and I missed it.
post #460 of 956
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Thanks!!! I think I'm beginning to understand now. I live in AZ where cox is the only available cable provider and charges a ridiculous $23 per month for leasing a SA DVR. I've been looking for a cheaper DVR STB (Tivo & Moxi HD DVRs are way too expensive in my opinion) and was wondering if we're going to see any alternatives any time soon.

If I somehow got my hands on the sammy SMT-3090, would it work for me as it's labeled as a tru 2 way STB DVR once I got my multi stream cable cards from cox? Is there any way for me to get my hands on one somewhere in the consumer market?

Thanks!!!

The $$$ picture changed quite a bit recently with Moxi going to 500 for a 500G DVR, TiVo matched them, 500 for a 1T DVR. With a savings of 23 bucks from renting, I'd say run the numbers, you will save some money over a few years (more so with a Moxi than a TiVo).
post #461 of 956
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Originally Posted by rhinos View Post

I have the same problem, and tried the never delete setting but now when it gets to 17-18% full I get a prompt to delete stuff to make room for new recordings. HAve you had better luck? anyone have better luck in getting the DVR expander by Wd to work properly with the Samsung 3090?

3 factors at play here... the stock HDDs are way way too small for HD recording, they should be at least 500G. Second, Craptigator does a longer look ahead then previous software... so it looks 72 hours ahead. If you have, say 4 hours in recordings and 6 scheduled each night, 3 days out it means you are close to 4 hours over the capacity. Third, you have a lot of series recordings, so it's not unusual to have up to 6 hours scheduled each night.

Not to mention if you are a sports fan. If you have to be away on Sun, you COULD need about 1/2 the space on the HDD to accommodate 2 football games.
post #462 of 956
I am newbie to this stuff here...but I read the entire thread and was looking for a fix.
I have a samsung 3260 from twc and am running it to an LG (not sure of the code) LCD tv. My volume has to be turned up quite a bit more than it does with the component cables. Component cables have great sound but a green horizontal line that flows through the pic. I also get some av sync issues on the hd channels.
I looked in the diagnostics and didn't see anything.
The volume is all the way up on the box.
Any ideas for a fix?

Can I run an HDMI for the picture and cables for the sound? If so how do i do that?
Any help would be appreciated.
post #463 of 956
New firmware is coming soon for San Diego.
post #464 of 956
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

The $$$ picture changed quite a bit recently with Moxi going to 500 for a 500G DVR, TiVo matched them, 500 for a 1T DVR. With a savings of 23 bucks from renting, I'd say run the numbers, you will save some money over a few years (more so with a Moxi than a TiVo).

I think $500 is still too expensive. In this day and age, I believe we truly should have had a basic/ entry level HD DVR being sold in the consumer market somewhere in the $200-$300 range. I believe this is currently happening in Canada so its quite frustrating that this isn't happening yet here state side
post #465 of 956
Actually I think tru2way DVR's will cost at least $300. I think more like $500-800.
post #466 of 956
Ok I have a question, hopefully someone can help. I have the Samsung H3090. I just bought a denon receiver, and speakers for a HT system, here is my problem. I have a ps3, BR player and a 360 hooked into the receiver via HDMI then one HDMI going out to the TV. The receiver only has3 HDMI inputs so I cant hook the Cable box to the receiver via HDMI as well, so I have an optical cable going out to the receiver, and an HDMI cable going out to the television, my thoughts were I will have audio to the receiver when I want to use it but also to the television when I dont want to turn the receiver on, and I was correct, but....here is the problem. I get audio to the television and the AVR both if I go to settings/devices and put audio coding format to HDMI. The problem with it is, it only sends 2 channel audio to the receiver instead of surround audio. Now I can switch the audio coding format to Dolby AC-3 and it will sent audio to the receiver correctly but I get no audio through the HDMI to the television this way. Is there any way to have audio going to the television through HDMI but still get correct audio through the optical for my receiver?
post #467 of 956
The SA 3800HD works the same way. If you choose DD5.1 instead of HDMI in the cable box software[Navigator or Passport] it disconnects audio to the television and passes the DD to the reciever in that format. I do not know of any work around for this.
post #468 of 956
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Originally Posted by Fors View Post

Ok I have a question, hopefully someone can help. I have the Samsung H3090. I just bought a denon receiver, and speakers for a HT system, here is my problem. I have a ps3, BR player and a 360 hooked into the receiver via HDMI then one HDMI going out to the TV. The receiver only has3 HDMI inputs so I cant hook the Cable box to the receiver via HDMI as well, so I have an optical cable going out to the receiver, and an HDMI cable going out to the television, my thoughts were I will have audio to the receiver when I want to use it but also to the television when I dont want to turn the receiver on, and I was correct, but....here is the problem. I get audio to the television and the AVR both if I go to settings/devices and put audio coding format to HDMI. The problem with it is, it only sends 2 channel audio to the receiver instead of surround audio. Now I can switch the audio coding format to Dolby AC-3 and it will sent audio to the receiver correctly but I get no audio through the HDMI to the television this way. Is there any way to have audio going to the television through HDMI but still get correct audio through the optical for my receiver?

Well here's a thought: Instead of hdmi, run component to your display from the 3090 and use the l/r rca plug analog outs for the audio to the display. Continue to use optical to your avr. I'm not positive, but I believe that would do the trick. Aside from the extra cabling, I don't think you'll see any difference in picture quality. Keep in mind I haven't tried this setup. I'm not sure if the analog audio and toslink audio are live at the same time in the 3090.
post #469 of 956
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Originally Posted by Fors View Post

Ok I have a question, hopefully someone can help. I have the Samsung H3090. I just bought a denon receiver, and speakers for a HT system, here is my problem. I have a ps3, BR player and a 360 hooked into the receiver via HDMI then one HDMI going out to the TV. The receiver only has3 HDMI inputs so I cant hook the Cable box to the receiver via HDMI as well, so I have an optical cable going out to the receiver, and an HDMI cable going out to the television, my thoughts were I will have audio to the receiver when I want to use it but also to the television when I dont want to turn the receiver on, and I was correct, but....here is the problem. I get audio to the television and the AVR both if I go to settings/devices and put audio coding format to HDMI. The problem with it is, it only sends 2 channel audio to the receiver instead of surround audio. Now I can switch the audio coding format to Dolby AC-3 and it will sent audio to the receiver correctly but I get no audio through the HDMI to the television this way. Is there any way to have audio going to the television through HDMI but still get correct audio through the optical for my receiver?

Actually, I LIKE this design as it works exactly like how I want it to work. Like a lot of "things" it suits some to a T and drives others up the wall. I doubt anyone at TWC knows much about creating software that has actual options so everyone is a lot closer to being happy (in this instances, that would be having a set of options so I could set it to suit me and you could set it to suit your use).
post #470 of 956
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Originally Posted by adrman View Post

Well here's a thought: Instead of hdmi, run component to your display from the 3090 and use the l/r rca plug analog outs for the audio to the display. Continue to use optical to your avr. I'm not positive, but I believe that would do the trick. Aside from the extra cabling, I don't think you'll see any difference in picture quality. Keep in mind I haven't tried this setup. I'm not sure if the analog audio and toslink audio are live at the same time in the 3090.

I had actually thought of this but wasnt sure it would work, got around to trying it earlier, and it worked perfectly. So if anyone else has this issue this is the only solution it seems. BTW I also tried the SA Explorer 8300HD box from TWC as well, same thing it wont put out DD over optical and HDMI audio at the same time.
post #471 of 956
On another note, I havnt read the entire thread, but I did notice some people had trouble with it just plain not recording shows, has anyone had this problem lately? Mine just did it the other night, on Fox "Glee" we have set up to record every new episode, it has also happened on ABC with greys anatomy, also again on Fox with House. It just didnt record them like it wasnt set up too.
post #472 of 956
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Originally Posted by Fors View Post

On another note, I havnt read the entire thread, but I did notice some people had trouble with it just plain not recording shows, has anyone had this problem lately? Mine just did it the other night, on Fox "Glee" we have set up to record every new episode, it has also happened on ABC with greys anatomy, also again on Fox with House. It just didnt record them like it wasnt set up too.

It's been an ongoing issue here in Charlotte since the 3090 was rolled out in April, but there have been very very few reports from any other system. Here it is 99.9% on FOX and CBS... extremely rare to be on another channel. A reboot of the box will cure the issue for 2-3 days, typically, so a preventative reboot on Monday, Wednesday and Friday have keot mine working smoothly with virtually no missed recordings since we discovered that trick.
post #473 of 956
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

It's been an ongoing issue here in Charlotte since the 3090 was rolled out in April, but there have been very very few reports from any other system. Here it is 99.9% on FOX and CBS... extremely rare to be on another channel. A reboot of the box will cure the issue for 2-3 days, typically, so a preventative reboot on Monday, Wednesday and Friday have keot mine working smoothly with virtually no missed recordings since we discovered that trick.

I am about 40 miles from Charlotte in Albemarle so I assume thats why I am getting this also, I am thinking of taking it back and getting the Explorer box again, I never had any trouble out of those I just wanted the samsung because it was black!
post #474 of 956
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Originally Posted by Fors View Post

I am about 40 miles from Charlotte in Albemarle so I assume thats why I am getting this also, I am thinking of taking it back and getting the Explorer box again, I never had any trouble out of those I just wanted the samsung because it was black!

I still prefer the Sammy... the 8300 had its quirks as well. The faster GUI response, 320GB HDD and black color are worth the little bit of extra effort needed to keep it recording. I'm just hoping for a fix to be issued sometime soon.
post #475 of 956
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

I still prefer the Sammy... the 8300 had its quirks as well. The faster GUI response, 320GB HDD and black color are worth the little bit of extra effort needed to keep it recording. I'm just hoping for a fix to be issued sometime soon.

Mine only has a 160gb HDD so pretty much all I am getting out of it right now is black color and a little faster GUI.
post #476 of 956
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....snip.... I'm just hoping for a fix to be issued sometime soon.

I've sent 2 messages to CS and never got a reply on either. i suppose next time I'll have to actually ask a question. seems just informing them of a problem wont get a responce...even acknowledgment of receipt.


i dont record much on ABC but i have missed recordings on ABC even on a reboot day. dont know whats up with that. the majority of the problem is CBS and FOX. but last night i missed one of 2 recordings that were back to back on discovery channel.
post #477 of 956
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Originally Posted by strutter View Post

I've sent 2 messages to CS and never got a reply on either. i suppose next time I'll have to actually ask a question. seems just informing them of a problem wont get a responce...even acknowledgment of receipt.


i dont record much on ABC but i have missed recordings on ABC even on a reboot day. dont know whats up with that. the majority of the problem is CBS and FOX. but last night i missed one of 2 recordings that were back to back on discovery channel.

Do you check occasionally for conflicts? The practice of having a show go a minute over the hour (e.g., 8:00 show ends at 9:01) can be a problem when two 9:00 shows are scheduled on two networks different than the 8:00-9:01 show network. All you can really hope for in that case is that at least one of the 9:00 shows is a cable show with a repeat showing... I actually have one of those occurring tonight, but the conflict resolution algorithm in Navigator will automatically bump The Closer to a later showing. If they are all broadcast network shows, you're pretty much screwed by that extra minute making for three shows at 9:00, even if only for a minute.
post #478 of 956
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Originally Posted by strutter View Post

I've sent 2 messages to CS and never got a reply on either. i suppose next time I'll have to actually ask a question. seems just informing them of a problem wont get a responce...even acknowledgment of receipt.


i dont record much on ABC but i have missed recordings on ABC even on a reboot day. dont know whats up with that. the majority of the problem is CBS and FOX. but last night i missed one of 2 recordings that were back to back on discovery channel.

You need to contact executive customer care in NY. They will forward your email to the appropriate engineering rep. Regular customer service is not aware of the issue. That's what I did with my problem of incomplete recordings on the 8300HDC. The engineers were able to duplicate the incomplete recordings. Back-to-back recordings often were problematic on one channel. They were never able to figure out what the problem was however, they did know that the problem did not occur on the 8300HD. They switched my box out to one of those to solve my issue. I imagine the problem is similar to the one you are experiencing with the Samsung as I read that the Samsungs and the 8300HDC both run the same software.
post #479 of 956
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Do you check occasionally for conflicts? The practice of having a show go a minute over the hour (e.g., 8:00 show ends at 9:01) can be a problem when two 9:00 shows are scheduled on two networks different than the 8:00-9:01 show network. All you can really hope for in that case is that at least one of the 9:00 shows is a cable show with a repeat showing... I actually have one of those occurring tonight, but the conflict resolution algorithm in Navigator will automatically bump The Closer to a later showing. If they are all broadcast network shows, you're pretty much screwed by that extra minute making for three shows at 9:00, even if only for a minute.

there was nothing else scheduled at either time. when it missed the ABC show it was the only show scheduled. that show doesnt re-air at a later time.
when it missed the 2nd of 2 new episodes on the discovery channel but got the first there was nothing else scheduled then either. that show does re-air as new a couple of times between 9pm- 5am but it didnt rescedule it. in both instances the recording log had the same message as with fox and cbs. channel not available.

i noticed something tonight on discovery channel. i was recording 2 back to back and watching them. the first one stopped recording about 2-3 minutes before the show was over. it stopped at about 8:27 on the dvr clock even though in the guide it was scheduled through 8:30. the yellow progress bar shows a small amount left to record also. the red record light came back on at 8:30. then the light went out. and it didnt record the 2nd show.

to be on the safe side for the 2 new episodes of Dr.Who scheduled for sat. at 8 and 9. i also went later in the guide and set up to record the second one individually.
post #480 of 956
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Originally Posted by mrralan View Post

You need to contact executive customer care in NY. They will forward your email to the appropriate engineering rep. Regular customer service is not aware of the issue. That's what I did with my problem of incomplete recordings on the 8300HDC. The engineers were able to duplicate the incomplete recordings. Back-to-back recordings often were problematic on one channel. They were never able to figure out what the problem was however, they did know that the problem did not occur on the 8300HD. They switched my box out to one of those to solve my issue. I imagine the problem is similar to the one you are experiencing with the Samsung as I read that the Samsungs and the 8300HDC both run the same software.

dont suppose you can hook me up with an email adress for that executive customer care in NY? my messages to CS through TWCcarolinas web site was a request for the issue i discribed to be forwarded to an engineer. so yes regular customer service is aware of the issue as i have told them twice. and if they did as i requested and forwarded it then engineering knows about it to. i was at least expecting one of their canned replies saying they forwarded it.
the 8300hd isnt an option for me. i had one for years. kept it for several months after getting the 3090. you are correct it never missed any recordings. but i will never again have that silver eye sore in my stand if i have a choice. plus i need the 320GB thats in the 3090. an external drive and enclosure for a 8300 doesnt fit into my budget for the forseeable future.
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