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post #1561 of 9206
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Originally Posted by maldives View Post

I will have to double check my bluray settings tonight, but I used to have it directly into the TV and never had problems with sound.

Yes, the menu DOES show on screen.

As far as the speaker wire connected to the back of the unit (I don't have banana plugs), the manual says (page 11)"peel off about 10mm of sheething from the tip of the speaker cable".. This seemed like alot to me. maybe I didn't strip the wire enough? I would say I only stripped off about 1.5mm or about 1/2 inch.

??

it really doesn't matter how much insulation is stripped back, only that you have enough to make contact at the terminal and not enough that you risk grounding it somewhere else...

but, fyi 10 mm = ~3/8"
post #1562 of 9206
Hey Batpig, have you heard of this no osd problem before? It seems I have a bad unit. I have one day left to get a replacement, so I'm packing it up now. Hopefully the new one will work better. It just seems strange that it was working correctly, then not. This leads me to believe that something went wrong in the unit. I have reset, gone through the menu, tried many things and still no osd on screen. I don't see any posts about this.
post #1563 of 9206
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

it really doesn't matter how much insulation is stripped back, only that you have enough to make contact at the terminal and not enough that you risk grounding it somewhere else...

but, fyi 10 mm = ~3/8"

Thanks for the replies.. that rules out that. I can't think of any more reasons why I can't get ANY sound out of this thing? Looks like I may be sending it back

and just so I know, will reversing the speaker wiring damage anything? or just reverse the phase?
post #1564 of 9206
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by klicker View Post

Hey Batpig, have you heard of this no osd problem before? It seems I have a bad unit. I have one day left to get a replacement, so I'm packing it up now. Hopefully the new one will work better. It just seems strange that it was working correctly, then not. This leads me to believe that something went wrong in the unit. I have reset, gone through the menu, tried many things and still no osd on screen. I don't see any posts about this.

it's basically just supposed to work. sounds like a bad unit to me.
post #1565 of 9206
Thanx. I was beginning to think I was an idiot.
post #1566 of 9206
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Originally Posted by maldives View Post

Well, I finally got my 790. I mounted the speakers and wired everything up. I powered the unit on, and per batpig's guide I went to the Audyssey setup. I started the process, and heard about 2 seconds of sound coming from my left front speaker, and then... silence. The screen just sits on "testing LF speaker". The only way to get out is to cancel.

I powered everything off, and double checked everything, and (to my dismay) found that the front left speaker was wired backwards. So I rewired it, turned on the unit, and still nothing. Next, I did a reset on the microprocessor, and still nothing!

Though I can get video from my bluray player, I can't get any sound. I even tried the FM tuner and nothing! There was a slight pulsing noise coming from my speakers?

I am trying to figure out what is wrong. Is it just a setup issue? It doesn't appear to have tripped a safety switch or anything as the unit powers on (green indicator). And are the speakers damaged? If the receiver is damaged, what do I do? Call Denon?

Please help! Thanks in advance.

I can only address the first part of your note. When I received my 790 a week ago and ran the Audyssey setup, I was surprised at how long the delay was after the sounds on the left channel finished before it began testing the right channel. I did not put a stop watch on it so I cannot quantify exactly. I decided to be patient, go fix a cup of coffee, and the process eventually went on to the right speaker. So, perhaps, you were not patient enough and you only thought it was hung.

As you canceled the process, I can only speculate that you are not hearing sound because you did not finish the Audyssey setup. I would try the setup process again.

When it was done, on my system it correctly diagnosed that when I removed the banana plugs for the old system and wired it directly to the 790, I managed to switch the wires to one speaker so it detected the right front channel out of phase with the left.

Good luck,
Bill

P.S. I did have a sound problem later. After cabling more devices, and changing the bluray audio settings from PCM to bitstream, I no longer had any sound. It was weird: PCM worked and bitstream failed, when it had been working earlier. Disconnecting and re-seating the HDMI cable fixed the problem.
post #1567 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

I can only address the first part of your note. When I received my 790 a week ago and ran the Audyssey setup, I was surprised at how long the delay was after the sounds on the left channel finished before it began testing the right channel. I did not put a stop watch on it so I cannot quantify exactly. I decided to be patient, go fix a cup of coffee, and the process eventually went on to the right speaker. So, perhaps, you were not patient enough and you only thought it was hung.

As you canceled the process, I can only speculate that you are not hearing sound because you did not finish the Audyssey setup. I would try the setup process again.

When it was done, on my system it correctly diagnosed that when I removed the banana plugs for the old system and wired it directly to the 790, I managed to switch the wires to one speaker so it detected the right front channel out of phase with the left.

Good luck,
Bill

Thank you for the good info. Do you recall how long sound was emitted from the left front speaker? For me, it was 2 seconds or less. It seemed to me that the tones were cut off, but maybe I should have waited longer as you say.

I did try to rerun the audyssey setup again (a few times) and now I get no tone whatsoever.

I also tried manual config, and still no sound.

????
post #1568 of 9206
There is a short wait after each speaker, but there is writing on the Screen which indicates that Audyssey is making "distance calculations". Then it goes to next. That only happens on the First Run.
post #1569 of 9206
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Originally Posted by maldives View Post

Thank you for the good info. Do you recall how long sound was emitted from the left front speaker? For me, it was 2 seconds or less. It seemed to me that the tones were cut off, but maybe I should have waited longer as you say.

I did try to rerun the audyssey setup again (a few times) and now I get no tone whatsoever.

I also tried manual config, and still no sound.

????

The "chirp" sound in the front speaker test described in the Audyssey setup guide took only about 2 seconds to go through the entire range. That was why I, too, was surprised at the several minute delay before the next test started.

No tone whatsoever now does sound like a different issue. That's why I added my postscript that I later solved a loss of audio issue by reseating the HDMI cable from the bluray player.
post #1570 of 9206
6ave finally emailed me! 1910 is on the way!!
post #1571 of 9206
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Originally Posted by jimlad2000 View Post

Wow thanks for the super fast response

I've just reset the microprocessor and tried again but same results so looks like a duff mic...

Just my luck and I thought these were ment to be calibrated and checked before they are sent out.....


Will let you know how i get on

Cheers

J

I have tried another mic but still the same problem!

I have been in contact with my dealer who has in turn contacted Denon direct and they have come to the decision that i need to return my amp
and swap it out.

I have been running the amp tonight and all sounds well (very well infact) apart from not being able to run the autosetup, I have set it up manually for now and will probably in time to be able to get the calibration I want.

As people well know the AVR 1910 is ih high demand atm and my dealer cannot tell/know when he will be able to secure a replacement for me!

Am I right in getting a replacement or shall I just keep it as it is?

I still have the amp and am using it so all its not that bad of an inconvience.
post #1572 of 9206
klicker - take a video wire (rca plug, yellow) from the avr-1910 monitor out to an analog input on your tv, then look at that input on your tv (it's #3 on my Kuro Plasma) and you'll see the OSD menu, etc. A component 3-wire connection will also work. It is my understanding of the manual that the OSD won't work over a digital connection, like HDMI. So I have to switch to input 3 to tweak settings when necessary. Good Luck.
post #1573 of 9206
Thread Starter 
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It is my understanding of the manual that the OSD won't work over a digital connection, like HDMI.

as has been repeated many times in this thread... the OSD absolutely WILL show over HDMI! What it won't do is OVERLAY ON TOP of the video image. The screen should blank out and then the OSD (white text on black background) should appear.
post #1574 of 9206
And that's exactly what it did out of the box for about one day, until it stopped working. So, it's most likely an internal problem. I have another on the way, so we'll see how the next one behaves.
post #1575 of 9206
How do you actually re memorize the quick selects? My volume is set low when I select them and I hear you have to do that to change it. So I set my volume where I want it and go into the menu where I can change the name of the quick selects and also where I can assign inputs but neither places do it. It just keeps going back to low volume. Where am I going wrong? Thanks.
post #1576 of 9206
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Originally Posted by jimlad2000 View Post

I have been in contact with my dealer who has in turn contacted Denon direct and they have come to the decision that i need to return my amp and swap it out.I have been running the amp tonight and all sounds well (very well infact) apart from not being able to run the autosetup, I have set it up manually for now and will probably in time to be able to get the calibration I want. As people well know the AVR 1910 is ih high demand atm and my dealer cannot tell/know when he will be able to secure a replacement for me! Am I right in getting a replacement or shall I just keep it as it is?

Good sound without Audyssey becomes great sound with Audyssey. Sorry about your problem but OF COURSE you should replace it. A few ideas come to mind. Can the dealer look for a replacement while you keep the defective unit? Or, if you bought from a local dealer perhaps he can loan you a demo unit of some sort if yours has to go in for service. Or, if it is within the return period return it and if they don't have one to sell you, buy one somewhere else. It also wouldn't hurt to ask Denon to just send a replacement, though unlikely. Good luck.
post #1577 of 9206
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Otto2 View Post

How do you actually re memorize the quick selects? .... Where am I going wrong?

not reading the manual is where you went wrong

see pg 50... it's so easy you will slap yourself for missing it
post #1578 of 9206
OK, so when I start the Audyssey setup, it says "Now measuring main listening position and checking speaker connection. (Front L)"

I can either wait or click Cancel

Been about 10 minutes now sitting here. Very frustrating!! Still can't get any sound to come out of this thing.
post #1579 of 9206
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Originally Posted by maldives View Post

OK, so when I start the Audyssey setup, it says "Now measuring main listening position and checking speaker connection. (Front L)"

I can either wait or click Cancel

Been about 10 minutes now sitting here. Very frustrating!! Still can't get any sound to come out of this thing.

I wasn't 10 minutes patient. The test sound came out right away, the delay was only after the chirp, before moving on to the Front R test.
post #1580 of 9206
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the "HUGE SOUND" feeling you are describing is not created by the receiver, it's mostly going to be produced by a combination of your speakers and room acoustics. A PA in a good club or concert venue is using gigantic, extremely efficient horn-loaded speakers powered by professional amps pumping out several hundred watts of power.

You can't take a pair of moderately efficient speakers that don't handle a ton of power, and think that swapping from, say, an Onkyo to a Denon is going to turn them into a HUGE sounding setup like a professional PA. 50W vs 70W or whatever isn't going to make a difference; as JD notes above even if you DOUBLE the power you are only gaining 3dB of headroom.

Now, that being said, you don't actually NEED that much power in a typical living room as you aren't talking about nearly as much volume. The good news is you own Klipsch speakers, which are incredibly efficient (your KM-6's have a sensitivity of 98dB with 1 watt @ 1 meter) and can probably be pumping out 100dB+ with about 10 watts of power at a typical listening distance (e.g. 3m away).

So, short story, power is not the issue with your setup. A standard stereo receiver (like your current Sherwood) has more than enough power to drive them to ear-splitting volumes, just like any standard mid-range AVR like the Denon 1910. So, if you are currently experiencing the "HUGE" sound you want with your stereo receiver, you will still get it with the Denon (which can probably put out a clean 100W/ch+ in stereo mode).

The reason you have a recessed mid-range is your speakers have two 10" woofers and then a single 1" tweeter, there is no driver that is going to be smooth and competent with the midrange there. Also, Klipsch's tend to have a very "bright" sound as it is, and if your room is "live" (e.g. bright acoustics, lots of reflections) it will make the treble sound even more overbearing relative to the midrange. In this sense, Audyssey WILL help because the entire purpose is to equalize your room/speaker acoustics for a flatter response.




first off, all processing (EQ, bass management, etc) in a modern receiver is going to be digital, period. Not just Denon.

Second... Audyssey does NOT allow any tweaking of the EQ bands. You have two choices for EQ using Audyssey -- the "Audyssey" reference curve (flat with a tapered roll-off on the high end) or the "Flat" curve (flat all the way up). There is a separate manual EQ option which is a simple, 9-band graphic EQ (non parametric). Audyssey's EQ filters are a completely different thing and are not related at all to parametric EQ or any other traditional EQ system.

If you are a tweaker who wants to diddle around with a parametric EQ and like to have a bunch of different EQ "curves" memorized for various types of content, you may want to look at the Pioneer AVR's. The MCACC system on Pioneer is based on parametric EQ (unlike Audyssey) and you can tweak the EQ yourself and save multiple different EQ presets that you design yourself. Audyssey, on the other hand, is a "black box" system where you set-it-and-forget-it.


wow, you sound very knowledgeable...thanks for the lo-down. The 9 band graphic EQ may suffice, if it can give me a boost around the 150-500 hz range, where the Klipschs surprisingly lack, I want the snare drum to have some DENSITY to it, instead of sounding like a sharp handclap, lol....It's too bad that Denons mid range stuff doesn't have pre outs...for folks who want to stick a high powered amp in the chain. Higher powered amps work less hard for one, and transient spikes in the music sound cleaner and more musical, but I digress.... I'll give the 1910 or 790 a spin from a dealer who accepts returns , exchanges ,etc and see if it's simpatico with my preferences...I found the part about upscaling video from a standard DVD player (as one example) a big draw too....if it improves the video quality noticeably, I'd be less inclined to get a newer DVD player, we'll see how it goes...
post #1581 of 9206
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Originally Posted by guitz View Post

wow, you sound very knowledgeable...

You should see when he's really showing off! But we love him anyway.
post #1582 of 9206
Just couple of minutes ago while I was watching TV, the receiver suddenly cut off the signal, and I saw the power button light turned red and started blinking, I thought I accidentally hit some button on the remote, so I pressed the remote power button again, it stop the blinking and but still red, so I pressed the power button on the remote again, this time, the light turned green and something displayed on the receiver's front panel for like 3,4 seconds, then I clearly saw a spark coming out in the back of the receiver and smelled something burning. Now the receiver can not be turned on.

Anyone has the similar situation?
post #1583 of 9206
Just got a Denon AVR-790 and everything is going fine, except for one thing: on the Playstation 3 main menu bar, the screen is static. White flecks of digital distortion all over the place. However, when playing games or blu-ray movies, the issue goes away. There's no issue whatsoever with the 360 or satellite receiver HDMI connections. All the cables seem tight and firmly in place. I'm at a loss. Then again, I'm probably just missing something really obvious. Any ideas?

EDIT: the problem goes away on video game and blu-ray playback. it persists on the menu screens and DVD playback.
post #1584 of 9206
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Originally Posted by theWalkinator View Post

Just couple of minutes ago while I was watching TV, the receiver suddenly cut off the signal, and I saw the power button light turned red and started blinking, I thought I accidentally hit some button on the remote, so I pressed the remote power button again, it stop the blinking and but still red, so I pressed the power button on the remote again, this time, the light turned green and something displayed on the receiver's front panel for like 3,4 seconds, then I clearly saw a spark coming out in the back of the receiver and smelled something burning. Now the receiver can not be turned on.

Anyone has the similar situation?

The blinking red light does sound like the protection circuit diagnosed a short. This is described on page 11 of the 790 manual; it is probably near there in the 1710 manual. (I tried to cut and paste the section, but the downloadable Acrobat manual is protected against copy operations.)

Blinking every 0.5 seconds is supposed to indicate a short on the speaker connections; every 2 seconds indicates overheating, typically with 4 ohm speakers.
post #1585 of 9206
Hello, I've read this entire thread and decided a week (or so) ago to order the 1910. I don't really have any questions, just thought I would share my experience.

I went to the Denon site an ordered from an authorized online site. It ended up being from OneCall. They had a $50 off back to school special, so I got it for $499 and free shipping. The weird thing is (I guess) since they are in Washington and I'm in Montana, I got it the next day. Plus, it was a Saturday delivery! I was very happy with free next day Saturday delivery, lol!

Anyway, hooked up the speakers, and the Sony 350 blu-ray. I left the old Directv box hooked directly to the TV (coaxial) and ran an optical back to the 1910. HDMI from blu ray to reciever and also from AVR to TV.

The only problem I really had was when watching blu rays, it would only say "multi channel". Well it seems there was a setting in the Sony 350 to either "mix" the audio out or send it "direct". I switched it to direct and now get "Dolby HD" an the pretty blue HD light.

So that's about it for now. Couldn't be happier!
post #1586 of 9206
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Good sound without Audyssey becomes great sound with Audyssey. Sorry about your problem but OF COURSE you should replace it. A few ideas come to mind. Can the dealer look for a replacement while you keep the defective unit? Or, if you bought from a local dealer perhaps he can loan you a demo unit of some sort if yours has to go in for service. Or, if it is within the return period return it and if they don't have one to sell you, buy one somewhere else. It also wouldn't hurt to ask Denon to just send a replacement, though unlikely. Good luck.


Yes I still have my part defective 1910 atm so i'm not without the amp that I can use, and he is on the case about sorting a new unit it's just when? lol

I did mention about a free upgrade to the 2310 but he said "lets stick with the 1910 first" well there's no harm trying

I've waited 5 years to finally sort a decent AV package out after doing the house up! I supose the old saying of "good thing's come to those who wait...."
and then wait a little bit longer lol
post #1587 of 9206
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

The blinking red light does sound like the protection circuit diagnosed a short. This is described on page 11 of the 790 manual; it is probably near there in the 1710 manual. (I tried to cut and paste the section, but the downloadable Acrobat manual is protected against copy operations.)

Blinking every 0.5 seconds is supposed to indicate a short on the speaker connections; every 2 seconds indicates overheating, typically with 4 ohm speakers.

I think something burned, I saw the sparkle and smelled the something burning. My speakers are all 8ohm and all monoprice banana (closed) plugs connected to the receiver. I immediately checked the connection, didn't see any cross wire or anything to short circuit the wire, I even unplug everything except the power wire, still not coming on, keep shutting off and flashing. I guess I need to give Denon a call today.
post #1588 of 9206
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

not reading the manual is where you went wrong

see pg 50... it's so easy you will slap yourself for missing it


Wow, that was really easy. All you need to do is hold down the button. I feel like an idiot but that's nothing new. Thanks batbpig!
post #1589 of 9206
this may be a novice question, but what is the point of having the A/B speaker switch and the second zone on this receiver?

For context, I use my receiver for my home theater and also to power outdoor speakers in the backyard. I initially set up the outdoor speaks in the B terminals, but am thinking i should switch them over to zone 2.
post #1590 of 9206
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Originally Posted by ran-diesel View Post

this may be a novice question, but what is the point of having the A/B speaker switch and the second zone on this receiver?
For context, I use my receiver for my home theater and also to power outdoor speakers in the backyard. I initially set up the outdoor speaks in the B terminals, but am thinking i should switch them over to zone 2.

A/B speakers are more of an audiophile holdover, usually used for for when you have 2 sets of fronts in the same room, but for different purposes, say A for critical audiophile listening and B for HT. Your situation is exactly what Z2 is designed for.
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