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post #301 of 9218
6/15/09 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

He was very explicit. From your primary listening position (ie where you personally sit) measure 5 other positions roughly 1-2' from that position. You'll get better results by having a tighter pattern centered around the main listening position.

Thanks guys, finally did it and yes a picture is worth a thousand words. LOL

Played Ironman, sounded good, but could not raise the volume. Neighbor will have a heat attack.

Her bedroom is just 2ft from the subwoofer.

Sold my HK AVR55, now I will try to sell my Celestion ditton 44. Great speakers, but if can sell them for 299.00 I'll be a happy camper. They weigh a ton each.
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post #302 of 9218
6/16/09 at 1:14am
I just got my 1910 over the weekend and setup the speakers using Audyssey. My volume always seems so low. I have to turn the volume up to -20 just to get a decent volume while watching movies. Granted my speakers are old Energy e:XL but that really shouldn't make a difference.

Any thoughts of why I have to turn the receiver so far up? Do you need to know any other settings to help figure out why? I'm using a PS3 for Blu-Ray.
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post #303 of 9218
6/16/09 at 3:12am
Volume level is of course subjective, depending on several factors including size of room, efficiency of speakers, personal preference, etc. A volume of -20db for movies is probably average, in fact a range of -20db to -10db is probably a good average for movies with most speaker setups. If the Denon has your front speaker settings in the (-) negative range (because they are very efficient at -94db), you can always bump them up a few db to be closer to your personal preference. Check your Owner's Manual for Channel Level settings (or simply press the CH SEL/ENTER button on the remote and cycle through each speaker and increase the volume). You can also raise the source volume on the PS3 itself as well as on the Denon, although probably won't be necessary once you adjust the channel levels.
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post #304 of 9218
6/16/09 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by remig View Post

Hi all,

Just want to confirm - the 1910 does not come with a second zone 2 remote control, right?

All the online specs & feature lists seem to include a second remote, but I got my 1910 yesterday with just the one main (nasty) remote. No mention of a second one in the manual or anything... I'm not missing anything, right?


This is how mine arrived last week - just the main remote.
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post #305 of 9218
6/16/09 at 5:04am
As it's been stated several times now .. unlike the 1909 where a 2nd remote for Zone 2 operations is provided, there is only ONE remote with the 1910 which can also be seen here on the product sheet.
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post #306 of 9218
6/16/09 at 7:10am
Alright, sorry to ask, but a search through this thread and the actual bloody horrible manual PDF doesn't seem to help me here.

There's a assignable optical output on the Denon. The manual shows it as being used to send sound to a DVR. Since it is assignable, etc, can I use this to output sound to Pioneer Dolby Headphone set, rather than having to draw a seperate optical output from each device to it? The manual doesn't seem to discuss what this output actually passes or sends.

If I can't make the Denon and the Pioneer headphones play nice, it isn't a terribly big deal. It would lend weight to my Wife's arguments that I should turn the game, movie, or whatever off and just go to sleep at night.

I am sorry to have to ask. Usually I can find some sort of way through to answering questions like this myself.
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post #307 of 9218
6/16/09 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by lzrdkng14 View Post

1910 has dual source/dual zone audio and 790 does not.

I doubt that Both have 2 source /2 Zone audio.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDeta...mageField.y=23

Refer Multi-Source/Multi-Zone (*Uses REC OUT)
1910 790
2S/2Z S/2Z
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post #308 of 9218
6/16/09 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by frankmar View Post

Played Ironman, sounded good, but could not raise the volume. Neighbor will have a heat attack.Her bedroom is just 2ft from the subwoofer.

Exc. Glad you like it. Neighbor should consider giving you a subdude for Father's Day. "Good (sonic) fences make good neighbors."
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post #309 of 9218
6/16/09 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by mirage01 View Post

I just got my 1910 over the weekend and setup the speakers using Audyssey. My volume always seems so low. I have to turn the volume up to -20 just to get a decent volume while watching movies. Granted my speakers are old Energy e:XL but that really shouldn't make a difference. Any thoughts of why I have to turn the receiver so far up? Do you need to know any other settings to help figure out why? I'm using a PS3 for Blu-Ray.

One point to add to jd's post: when using DynVol one tends to crank the Vol knob up.
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post #310 of 9218
6/16/09 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Sibilance View Post

There's a assignable optical output on the Denon. The manual shows it as being used to send sound to a DVR. Since it is assignable, etc, can I use this to output sound to Pioneer Dolby Headphone set, rather than having to draw a seperate optical output from each device to it? The manual doesn't seem to discuss what this output actually passes or sends.

It's not actually the OPT-2 OUT jack that is assignable, rather the OPT-1 IN and OPT-2 IN jacks that are assignable. I've never used the OPT OUT jack before, but if it's like the Analog OUT jacks (VCR, DVR), it is always on. Whatever the RECOUT Source is set to, the audio is output via the analog OUT jacks, so I'm guessing the same should apply to the optical jack as well. I have a pair of stereo wireless headphones that I connect to the VCR OUT jack and can listen to any analog source that way.
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post #311 of 9218
6/16/09 at 9:06am
Thanks JDsmoothie. I guess what confused me about the Opt 2 jack is that in this image, you can see the Opt Out DVR jack is labelled "Digital (Assignable)." It is located next to the HDMI out.

... And this is probably one of the worst manuals I have ever read, let me add.
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post #312 of 9218
6/16/09 at 9:07am
Understood. That label is meant to describe the COAX and OPT IN jacks in that same grouping.
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post #313 of 9218
6/16/09 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by Sibilance View Post

Alright, sorry to ask, but a search through this thread ....

Also, as this thread is new, you new 1910/790 owners are much better served by using the Search This Thread feature on the 1909/789 thread as it has been around almost a year now and the great majority of the features/functions are the same on both models.
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post #314 of 9218
6/16/09 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also, as this thread is new, you new 1910/790 owners are much better served by using the Search This Thread feature on the 1909/789 thread as it has been around almost a year now and the great majority of the features/functions are the same on both models.

where is this "search this thread" button, i cant find it anywhere!
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post #315 of 9218
6/16/09 at 11:31am
Reading through this thread really taught me a lot...I love this Forum...I think I found something else do dump my $$ into.

Anyways...here it goes...Just bought a Mitsu 1080P 73" (WD-73737) for my Manroom! Looking to get a receiver and speakers.

I originally went in thinking I would want a Receiver that upscales to 1080p..but after reading a prior post...it seams my Mitsu upscales everything as well. I originally thought that an upscaling AVR would make my nonHD Channels coming from my cable (480i/p, 720i/p) show everthing in 1080p...thus making it look better. I guess this is not the case.

I will have a PS3, HD Cable box and later my IPOD hooked into the AVR. No real legacy inputs.

Would you recommend any of my 3 choices of receivers over the other....

The guy at Electronics Expo recommended the Energy Take Classic 5.1 system but I think I may be better off getting last years AVRs (w/out the upscaling/upconverting) with higher audio output and try to get better speakers...

Any recomendations would be great. Leaning towards the 1910 + Energy .... but don't know if I really need the Video functions of this AVR (other than HDMI switching) since most of my sources are HD anyways.
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post #316 of 9218
6/16/09 at 11:32am
I was wondering if a solution was found, with regards to cable/sat HD boxes getting video to show on their tvs? I will be receiving my 1910 tomorrow, and I have a directv HD dvr, and wondered what the problem was the others were having?

In my front projector setup, I've been using the 3808ci since it was first released, and sometimes, at start up, I have handshake problems. My projector wont see the receiver. Most every time, I start my projector, and then the receiver, and I will have to power off the receiver, then power back on, and all is good. Other times it will see the receiver, but wont see my HD dvd player. Will only give me the denon logo, or will give me the HDMI signal detected, then act like its going to show the source, then say no source detected. Then I have to power down both reciever and dvd player. It always works out in the end though.

Again, the chap that had the problem with his sony tv, and the 1910 not getting picture from his cable box, was wondering if he solved the issue?

Thanks again,
Jeff
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post #317 of 9218
6/16/09 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Asb-123 View Post

where is this "search this thread" button, i cant find it anywhere!

For you lurkors out there, by becoming a FREE member of AVS Forum you will be able to login and then will have access to the Search This Thread button which will show up next to the Thread Tools button (located at upper right of the page). This will allow you to search the particular thread you're in for key words (eg. HDMI Control) to read just those posts with those key words.

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post #318 of 9218
6/16/09 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by troiano View Post

Again, the chap that had the problem with his sony tv, and the 1910 not getting picture from his cable box, was wondering if he solved the issue?

strangelet and I were/are having issues with getting audio from the receiver whenever a Sony TV is connected. The video portion is always sent to the TV just fine, however. Somehow (probably through some sort of HDMI/EDID handshake bug) the 1910 forces all connected components to downmix to stereo (or send no audio at all, in some cases, probably because the device cannot downmix) whenever a Sony TV is connected and powered-on.

I've made no forward progress with this issue through Denon tech support. At this point, I'm about to either return the 1910 to 6ave (the best I could negotiate was them paying 50% of the return shipping and re-stocking fee) or give it to my dad for father's day since he has a Samsung TV.

I'm a little upset with Denon over this issue, of course, but not enough to cancel my 4310 order that should hopefully ship soon.
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post #319 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by KP2 View Post

I originally thought that an upscaling AVR would make my nonHD Channels coming from my cable (480i/p, 720i/p) show everthing in 1080p...thus making it look better. I guess this is not the case.

More accurately, it MIGHT be the case. The question is whether the scaling in the AVR is better or worse than the scaling built into your TV. In most cases, the TV is likely to be better.

Check out CNet's reviews of the video processing in Yamaha, Onkyo, and Denon receivers. They run HQV test suites and have reviews posted for Yamaha 663 and 665, Onkyo 606 and 607, and Denon 1909 (plus others).

The 1910 adds a new chip and the ability to scale digital video in addition to analog video. It's still uncertain whether this new chip makes a difference in the video processing equation.


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I think I may be better off getting last years AVRs (w/out the upscaling/upconverting)

last year's models DO have upscaling ability; conversion to HDMI output and some form of scaling has been a feature of mid-level AVR's for a couple of years now.

that being said, in general most people on a budget are DEFINITELY better served saving money on the AVR and putting it into their speakers instead. If you have a limited budget, you should get the least expensive receiver that has the features you need and put more of your money into speakers/sub, for sure.

Will you only be running 5.1? Do you need Zone 2? If not, you may be well served by a step-down model like the AVR 1610/590 which can be found for around $300.
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post #320 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by mirage01 View Post

I just got my 1910 over the weekend and setup the speakers using Audyssey. My volume always seems so low. I have to turn the volume up to -20 just to get a decent volume while watching movies. Granted my speakers are old Energy e:XL but that really shouldn't make a difference.

Any thoughts of why I have to turn the receiver so far up? Do you need to know any other settings to help figure out why? I'm using a PS3 for Blu-Ray.

I am also having an issue with low volume but while watching movies from my HDMI Dish Network source. I follwed Batpig's setup guide and went with manual setup and have not run Audyssey yet as I am just running 3.1 right now. I have to turn it to about -15db to get a decent volume, not too loud in the evening if that provides any reference. When I listen to my Ipod connected via RCA at the same volume, the sound fills the entire house.

Am I having this issue because Audyssey has not been ran? I may try to "Reset the processor" tonight and try to setup again to see if that changes anything.
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post #321 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:22pm
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what exactly makes you people think there is an "issue"? especially since the ipod sound nice and loud, why would you think there is a problem with the Denon? Have you checked the audio output settings on your cable box?

1. make sure Dynamic Volume is OFF when making any judgments about volume level
2. different sources will have different output levels, ESPECIALLY if you use the "Source Level" or "Dynamic EQ Reference Level" adjustement!
3. it is totally normal to be in the -10 to -20 range for normal listening levels (again, depending on things like source, speaker/room size, personal preference, etc)

As long as you can get to a REALLY LOUD listening level without going above "0" on the dial, nothing is wrong.

And, yes, running Audyssey will affect things because it balances your speaker volumes and calibrates the volume dial so that "0" = reference.
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post #322 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Direwolf View Post

strangelet and I were/are having issues with getting audio from the receiver whenever a Sony TV is connected.

Sorry to hear you havent been able to solve your problems. But I am happy to hear its a "sony" thing, as I will have this connected to a samsung lcd.

I thought I read in one of the posts that someone had problems with their directv HD-dvr box, and I have the same dvr.
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post #323 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by hung8489 View Post

I am also having an issue with low volume but while watching movies from my HDMI Dish Network source. Am I having this issue because Audyssey has not been ran? I may try to "Reset the processor" tonight and try to setup again to see if that changes anything.

Audyssey will calibrate your system to reference 0, prior to that we don't know what to make of your Vol settings. If this is just one source then it can have to do with the source or the input level setting for that input in the AVR, i.e., if that has been trimmed down you will have to turn the Vol knob up.

What is all this worry about Vol settings? Does it sound good or not?

Oops missed bp's post. Nevermind.
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post #324 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:28pm
Thanks BatPig. Ill look into the reviews on CNet.

I originally plan on starting w/ 5.1 but I want to have the option to go 7.1 / dual zone. Haven't decided if I want to run a set of speakers to the living room from the basement to play music upstairs.

Any speakers you recommend if I save a bit on the receiver?
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post #325 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:32pm
I just installed the 1910 this weekend. I have a comcast HD cable box. I am very pleased with what the chip in the 1910 has done with the SD channels.
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post #326 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:36pm
I agree about the input source. Both my HD dvd players (1 first gen, and 1 second gen) require the volume to be up louder then normal, to meet my listening requirements. But my Blu ray, and Sat boxes are at lower listening levels for the same amount of sound produced.
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post #327 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

What is all this worry about Vol settings? Does it sound good or not?

Ipod sounds great, the satellite box didn't seem up to par.

I searched through the 1909 thread and saw your response about checking channel Level, input source and resetting the processor and posted the question here because I wanted to make sure there wasn't something obvious I was missing.
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post #328 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by BobMN55446 View Post

I just installed the 1910 this weekend. I have a comcast HD cable box. I am very pleased with what the chip in the 1910 has done with the SD channels.

Granted I will be using a directv hd-dvr, but I was wondering. When upconverting SD channels, if the input source is 4:3, will it show the picture with bars on the side of the screen, or will it allow you to stretch to fit the screen? Ive been watching 4:3 on a 16:9 screen for so long, Im use to everyone looking short and fat. In my dedicated setup, I set my 3808ci to just pass through HDMI video, and allow my projector to do the work. A lot of the time, I wont upconvert my standard dvds, because the picture looks better if the projector gets a 480i signal;
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post #329 of 9218
6/16/09 at 12:47pm
You choice. It will do whatever you want. It will keep the aspect of the source or it will stretch it to the 16:9. I believe you set it per input.
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post #330 of 9218
6/16/09 at 1:39pm
There has been posts made about Denons complex setup in which many put that as a Con. At the same time there is the Audyssey calibration so what I do not understand is how it is difficult to set it up. Enlighten me about this matter as I have been hearing a lot of good things about Denon.
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