*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1910/790 Owner's Thread - Page 104

My input sources are a cable HD-DVR that can do native mode from 480i all the way to 1080i.
My Samsung 50B650 I believe scales everything to 1080p.
My BR is 1080p.
I read that the chip in the 1910 is good other than with 1080i. My Samsung is reportedly good with upscaling 1080i. So I want to use the 1910's scaler for all cable input resolutions other than 1080i, where I would like it to be off.
Assuming I am correct about the 1910's scaler abilities.

What unit do you have and is it USA? For USA models, those terms were used on 2009 and earlier models, however, were replaced by COMP-1, COMP-2, etc. in the 2010 models.

Hello,

I will receive my Denon 1910 in about a week and I am trying to get used to the settings I will have to set.
Most of it are fairly simple (thanks to batpig's docs) but I am stuck on the ZONE 2 control.

I would like to use the provided remote in the zone 2 (kitchen) to control the volume (and others). But the AVR is in another room (living room) so I need to use the "remote input" jack on the back of the AVR. But I didn't find the protocol used, in fact I didn't find anything that described this input.
So my question is, can I just wired directly a TSOP2238 (see vishay site for datasheet) to a 3.5mm jack, get enough cable to put the TSOP in the kitchen and plug the jack into "remote input" or do I have to use an IR transmitter?

Thanks for your help

Good catch. I should have noticed that last night.

The Owners manual calls for an IR Transmitter so that is most likely what you'll have to use without the requisite protocols.


Yeh, more curious then anything. Either he's got a 790 (as 1910 has component side by side) with bad software or he's got a non USA model as the 2009 models had 3 component jacks which were also side by side.

I'm interested in getting the 1910 (or maybe the 2310) and also had in mind the Energy RC-Micro 5.1 or the Mirage Nanosat 5.1 speaker system (space is an issue for me). But I was wondering that since the Nanosats are not exactly directional, how does Audyssey handle these types of speakers? Would it do better with more traditional speakers like Energy?

BTW ... this will be my very first AVR and surround system!

I may have this problem. The room this will be in is open on the left and a wall (with window) on the right. So the right speaker would be about maybe 4 feet or so from the wall/corner on the right but the left speaker would be about 15 feet or so from any wall on the left. Would this be a problem?

By the way ... anyone have a preference as to which they think is better? The Nanosats or the RC-Micros? I know, "better" may be subjective, but these 2 types of systems are radically different from each other, no? One is directional and one is not. (Not sure if these are really the proper terms, but you get the idea).

Waiting for longer HDMI cable to hook up my HDTV. In mean time trying to connect my TV with Component cable. But there is no picture at all. DVD sending a signal (I can hear the sound) but there is no picture no matter which HDMI input I am using. Also tried to change different cable to make sure cables are not failing me, but still no picture, just sound... ???
My setup: out of AVR - Component cable Monitor Out to HDTV Component1 IN
DVD player HDMI OUT to AVR HDMI DVD IN
I hope this unit is not defected...

No, the unit is not defective. It's just that the Denons convert to HDMI but do not convert from HDMI, probably to comply with HDCP. You can see this in the picture, pg 9 in the 790 manual. So if you are taking component out of the AVR, then you must feed component into the AVR.

Thanks so much for explaining. Have to wait for the HDMI cord to arrive in the mail then

Thanks SoM...I was trying to remember which dynamic program to use...will try it again and report it later.

Thanks Bill,

One thing at a time.


You lost me here. Third "Comp" columm?


Yes HDMI. Upscaler is on and Video Select is Source and i/p Scaler is Analog.


I haven't connected the audio yet, waiting to get a picture first. But, yes I am planning to connect with digital from the box to the avr. And I will assign. But, whoa. audio will not pass over HDMI??? That's a problem.


I haven't gotten past the green screen. No menu, nothing. So, unless I'm assigning improperly, there must be another problem.

But wait. This whole conversation may be mute by the last thing you said. The problem is this: My set is in one room and my components / avr is in another. I am trying to connect the set to the avr with HDMI because it is one cord vs, three + audio.

Are you saying that I can run my cable box into my tv, and run a digital audio out to my avr without having to mess with the HDMI at all? This would make my life much simpler. Is this is right?

Sorry, yes I have a 790 in the U.S. Looks like my friends at Best Buy sold me last years model. I just bought this two weeks ago. Are there any differences between the models that are significant? Because if there are I'm taking this one back for a 2010.

Yes, that is what he's saying. The best that the cable box can do is DD 5.1 so there's no loss in simply connecting the box to the AVR with either an optical or coax digital cable.


The 790 IS the 2010 model, but apparently you've got some software issues though if it's displaying RCA-1 and RCA-2. Not really a deal breaker though as they mean the same as COMP-1 and COMP-2.

It almost sounds as if your HDMI connection from the AVR to the set is not working. Or as if you need to select a particular Resolution for this Input, either 720p or 1080i, for the set to recognize the signal. When you press the menu button, the screen should go black and the on-screen display should appear. If that is not happening, then you have some problem between the AVR and the set, that has nothing to do with the cable box.


HDMI audio in will pass out via HDMI, if you so choose in the HDMI Audio Out. But digital audio to the AVR is handled by the AVR itself; it does not re-encapsulate the audio as HDMI to the set.


Yes. Especially for a cable box, it is just as easy to connect it over digital audio to the AVR, and connect the component cables directly to the set. The only drawback is the need to use two remotes to switch sources, but that can be handled with a universal remote.

The only time one is forced to use HDMI is for something like bluray, that has HD audio. The newer HD audio codecs are protected similar to the HD 1080p images via HDCP. So to listen to the TrueHD audio, etc., you need to run HDMI to the AVR and from there to the TV.


One can be confused by the numbering. The 789/989/... models came out in 2008. The 790/1910/... models came out in mid 2009. jdsmoothie commented that the 1-RCA/2-RCA terms were used last year, but the COMP-1 and COMP-2 terms should be visible in this year's 790 model. But if you are not seeing the menus on your set, I don't know what labels the front panel shows if you are using it to do the Input Assign.

Bill

Thanks Bill,

Yes, I've tried different resolutions but will try that again. Barring that, is there anything else I can try to get my HDMI to work?? I have a Samsung 40" plasma. BTW, I did get a message that said "this mode not supported". That WAS a resolution problem. I changed the resolution and that message disappeared. So, a signal of sorts is being received from the avr. Could the run be too long for the HDMI cable? The cable I have is in two parts with a connector and total 50 feet long. Both cables are high speed.


That's fine because I can run my dvd out to the set with HDMI (provided I can get the handshake (or what ever) to work). At some point upgrade to bluray.

I'll try some more and get back to you.

Thanks also to jdsmoothie.

I was thinking something like that, but did not mention it. Most of us don't worry about buying high quality cables, as it only matters if you have a long cable length. But you do. And a connector in the middle could certainly add to the problem.

algecat3

A 50" HDMI cable and a HDMI Extender maybe needed in your situation. Or HDMI Extender using Cat5e cable.

New development. Now, for reasons unknown to me my tv input settings have ghosted my HDMI setting so that I cannot select it. I checked all of the connections, they're all good. Why now? What's different?

Scratch that. I got the green screen back and I have audio. But, I really need to figure this out for the dvd connection. Any help is appreciated.

Re: JChin, would a Cat5e cable be better than a HDMI Extender? I have a monster cable HDMI connector is that the same thing as an extender?

Last question, then I'll catch up tomorrow. If I run the digital audio out of the cable box to the AVR, can I still us the TV sound? Is there such a thing as a digital cable splitter? I'd like to avoid a long run from the box to the AVR and a second long run back to the tv.

A poster in the 2310 thread had this happen as well with the TV input settings. He set HDMI Control to OFF and was able to select HDMI again.


Yes you can still use the TV speakers. I'm not sure if you're now saying you'd move the cable box to the same room as the TV, but if yes, connect the cable box to the set with HDMI and digital audio to the AVR. You would simply mute the TV speakers when you wanted to use the surround speakers.

Hi SoM, thanks for the info. Presumably, Audyssey would have a positive impact on a 3.1 system. I have Polk RT800i towers, Polk center and subwoofer, but no surrounds.

Still researching/deciding, and appreciate your response as part of my research.

Yes, of course it would. In fact batpig's audyssey comments are based on his own 3.1 setup.

Hi everyone, thanks for all the great info.
I just have some questions.
1) Does Audyssey set your subwoofer's EQ as well?
2) I have my surround speaker (-3dB Limits:135Hz-20kHz) crossover at 80Hz, would it damaged it or the frequency would simply be lost and not produced at all?

Thanks in advanced.

click on the links (in blue) to monoprice pages that JCHIN supplied you in his post above.

when you get to the monoprice pages be sure to click on the description, specifications and knowledge base tabs for usually excellent information that will probably answer all your questions. they are also very good at answering questions specific to your actual setup by phone or email.

you will see the extender is more than a simple connector....

Quick q in my quest to find a new receiver for our living room:
I'm considering the 1910 and a Yamaha 765. My setup is 5 Dali speakers w no sub. Never missed the sub as the fronts have two 6,5" elements to cope w both low and mid frequencies.

Will Audissey REQUIRE a sub to function properly? For several different reasons a sub has low WAF and is preferably a non-essential item.