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post #331 of 9206
6/16/09 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by KP2 View Post

Thanks BatPig. Ill look into the reviews on CNet.

I originally plan on starting w/ 5.1 but I want to have the option to go 7.1 / dual zone. Haven't decided if I want to run a set of speakers to the living room from the basement to play music upstairs.

Any speakers you recommend if I save a bit on the receiver?

this thread for Official Present/Future owners of Denon 1910/790 receiver. you can start a new thread by posting your budget,room size and your choices(Brand,size of spakers) in speakers section...there are many people will love to answer your questions...anyway i had Energy take classic 5.1 speakers...they are good but not the best then i bought mirage nanosat and did A-B testing i liked mirage speakers and returned Energy.. good luck!!
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post #332 of 9206
6/16/09 at 1:46pm
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There has been posts made about Denons complex setup in which many put that as a Con. At the same time there is the Audyssey calibration so what I do not understand is how it is difficult to set it up. Enlighten me about this matter as I have been hearing a lot of good things about Denon.

it honestly isn't that difficult; most of the "difficulty" is combination of two factors:

1. modern AVR's in general are VERY complex, with all of the different connection types, surround sound formats, inputs/outputs, video processing, and many other options. If you have never used a modern receiver before, ANY brand is going to seem quite complex.

2. Compounding #1, Denon's terminology (and the bizarrely worded phrasing in the manual which tries to explain those terms) can be a fairly confusing. They don't really explain what most of the options do in "layman" terms, so if you are already struggling with understanding some basic concepts of how a modern receiver operates (surround formats, crossover frequencies, video processing settings, etc), it makes things worse that the literature is fairly obtuse.


But if you understand the basics about signal formats, connection types, etc., and you can wrap your brain around the concept of assigning inputs to match source "names".... and then you let Audyssey configure the system, it's not THAT hard.
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post #333 of 9206
6/16/09 at 1:47pm
Is anyone using the 1910 with FIOS DVR? I'd like some views on scaling on SD channels.
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post #334 of 9206
6/16/09 at 1:55pm
I am a newbie to this whole HT thing. I last set-up my old Denon 982 8 years ago. I haven't touched a thing on it or anything in 8 years. I am fairly HT illiterate and just found this forum a few months ago. I rec'd my 1910 on Friday. I had a few discussions with Batpig on my setup and with his advice and his docs on his website it was much easier than I expected it to be. It takes a little while to switch out all the wires and then audyssey also does take some time, but overall it wasn't that tough at all. Plus you have everybody here on the forum if you run into troubles. For the most part you can just accept the defaults on the receiver and most things will work. You can then tweak things going forward as you are more comfortable with the receiver.
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post #335 of 9206
6/16/09 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

it honestly isn't that difficult; most of the "difficulty" is combination of two factors:

1. modern AVR's in general are VERY complex, with all of the different connection types, surround sound formats, inputs/outputs, video processing, and many other options. If you have never used a modern receiver before, ANY brand is going to seem quite complex.

2. Compounding #1, Denon's terminology (and the bizarrely worded phrasing in the manual which tries to explain those terms) can be a fairly confusing. They don't really explain what most of the options do in "layman" terms, so if you are already struggling with understanding some basic concepts of how a modern receiver operates (surround formats, crossover frequencies, video processing settings, etc), it makes things worse that the literature is fairly obtuse.


But if you understand the basics about signal formats, connection types, etc., and you can wrap your brain around the concept of assigning inputs to match source "names".... and then you let Audyssey configure the system, it's not THAT hard.

Thank you for explaining.

You seem to be an excellent contributor with alot of knowledge. Hopefully you can help me find a good receiver in my post here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155377

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post #336 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by troiano View Post

I thought I read in one of the posts that someone had problems with their directv HD-dvr box, and I have the same dvr.

IIRC, the issue was that the 1910 remote would not operate the HD DVR box.

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Originally Posted by BobMN55446 View Post

....and then audyssey also does take some time,

hmmm ... perhaps 15 minutes for the test tones to cycle through all 6 positions
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post #337 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:12pm
hmmm ... perhaps 15 minutes for the test tones to cycle through all 6 positions[/quote]



Took me a little longer as I had to get the rest of the house to stay quiet and had to restart and also had a phase warning to fix. I think my time was about 30 minutes.

All in all, I think I was watching tv in about 2 hours after I opened the box including doing the rewiring.
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post #338 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Kartoon2005 View Post

There has been posts made about Denons complex setup in which many put that as a Con.

On the flip side .. the majority of Denon owners who never had any major problems with the setup obviously never post here as the majority of the posts are only from owners who are having problems. Also there have been a number posts from new owners who commented they were concerned about the posts indicating the setup was so complex, but bought the Denon anyway because of the audio fidelity, only to find out the setup actually wasn't that bad.

Suffice it to say ... between the Owner's Manual, BP's guide, and the help offered in this thread, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that they would not be able to get their 1910 set up and working properly. And you don't have to be an electrical engineer or some computer geek ... just spend some time reading and you'll have your 1910 up and running in no time!
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post #339 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:21pm
If this question has been ask - I couldn't find it.

Just installed a AVR-1910 yesterday.

I can't figure how to change the Bass & Treble settings. My previous receivers ALL had knobs to do this.
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post #340 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:30pm
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see pg 46 of your manual.

bass/treble control is done in the PARAMETERS menu. it can only be adjusted when Dynamic EQ is OFF however; Dynamic EQ disables tone controls as it is controlling the tone for you.
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post #341 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

see pg 46 of your manual.

bass/treble control is done in the PARAMETERS menu. it can only be adjusted when Dynamic EQ is OFF however; Dynamic EQ disables tone controls as it is controlling the tone for you.

You beat me to it...I was checking the 1909 posts because I remember posting this very issue when the 1909 came out. But batpig is right, if you are using the AVR to it's fullest potential, you should have no need to tweak in the tone menu.
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post #342 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:37pm
Thank you jdsmoothie however I will be picking up at 1610 as I do not need the extra features of the 1910. Again thanks for the response, I was just really curious as to why I only seen these problems with Denon's and not Onkyo's or Yamaha's.
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post #343 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:38pm
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A couple of tips for working with "tone" since they are disabled with Dynamic EQ on:

1. if the sound is too bassy, see the Audyssey section of my FAQ and read through the "taming the bass" section. The first order of business is ensuring that your setup is calibrated properly (including sub positioning) and that the reference is set properly:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

2. If you like the tonal balance but find it isn't "detailed" or "bright" enough for you, try changing to the Audyssey "FLAT" curve which doesn't roll off the highs.

3. If you are listening to music and want more "warmth" or "detail" but are using Dynamic EQ (so you can't adjust bass/treble), play with the "Restorer" settings. I find that mode 2 (Restorer 96) really adds fullness/warmth to the music, and mode 3 (Restorer EQ) really "lifts" the highs and brings out the detail on good recordings.
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post #344 of 9206
6/16/09 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by dogdoctor View Post

You beat me to it...I was checking the 1909 posts because I remember posting this very issue when the 1909 came out. But batpig is right, if you are using the AVR to it's fullest potential, you should have no need to tweak in the tone menu.

My problem is my Poor Hearing.

I need to retard the Bass & Increase the Treble.
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post #345 of 9206
6/16/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Keyser Sose View Post

My problem is my Poor Hearing.

I need to retard the Bass & Increase the Treble.

Well rather than have to scrap the Dynamic EQ features, could you try to use the Dynamic Volume features to acheive that too? The midnight setting was designed to try to give you better range at low volumes (couldn't one change "low volume" to "poor hearing" and maybe get similar results.) If it doesn't work, you will unfortunately lose all benefit of Dynamic EQ. That sucks....here is a quote from the 1909 thread.

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Originally Posted by kx250ryder View Post

To enable:
Parameter -->Tone --> Tone Control -->On

To adjust:
Parameter -->Tone --> Bass
Parameter -->Tone --> Treble

Note that you cannot use the above when Dynamic EQ is enabled, or if the receiver is in direct mode.

...Also, I would suggest running Audyssey (and using MultEQ, Dynamic EQ, & Dynamic Volume), it is really the star feature of this receiver, and when you turn it off, with baseline factory settings, the unit doesn't sound great, especially if you are coming from a receiver where you have invested a ton of time adjusting tone settings prior to this.
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post #346 of 9206
6/16/09 at 3:04pm
Wouldn't bumping up the channel level for the center channel work better?
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post #347 of 9206
6/16/09 at 3:09pm
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also definitely try using the "FLAT" curve instead of Audyssey as there will be no attenuation of the treble.
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post #348 of 9206
6/16/09 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Kartoon2005 View Post

Thank you jdsmoothie however I will be picking up at 1610 as I do not need the extra features of the 1910. Again thanks for the response, I was just really curious as to why I only seen these problems with Denon's and not Onkyo's or Yamaha's.

Possibly because they write better manuals? Regardless, you'll get the same excellent support in the Denon 1610 thread. Enjoy your new Denon!
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post #349 of 9206
6/16/09 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Wouldn't bumping up the channel level for the center channel work better?

THANX TO ALL FOR THE RESPONSES...

I'll give this idea a "Shot."


Not as much as a lot of you, but I've got 6 figures + invested in my dedicated Media Room (20x30).

OBTW - The manual "SUCKS."
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post #350 of 9206
6/16/09 at 4:23pm
I bought a 1910 this last weekend. Got it hooked up to some existing speakers but I have some Energy C-50's, a Energy C-C50, and a Energy S8.3 sub coming in a few days.

Love the reciever. My first Denon product.

Got a PS3, a AT&T Uverse Receiver, and a PS3 hooked up to it all via HDMI. Will eventually get a dedicated Blu-ray for it.

Will report back when the Energys get in.
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post #351 of 9206
6/16/09 at 7:07pm
hey guys, looking for help is whether the "better" scaling of the 1910 is worth the extra money vs. the 1610. Based on this thread, that seems like the element that might make one regret not doing the 1910. Thoughts? I'm coming from a Marantz 7400 and front projector (pre-HDMI), so I'm new to the ramifications of scaling/upconverting.

I'll be doing blu-ray and then just a TiVo, so trying to be honest about "need" vs. "want", but sure don't want to hamstring myself if I want to connect a Wii or PS2 down the road.

Anyone glad they went to the 1910 for this issue? Any examples to help me out?

Tim
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post #352 of 9206
6/16/09 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by mirage01 View Post

Not as much as a lot of you, but I've got 6 figures + invested in my dedicated Media Room (20x30).

You are on the 1910 thread, so few here (or on the 1909 thread)even have a dedicted media room, much less one that expensive. Wow. I am interested to know how you came up with the budget for speakers and AVR.
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post #353 of 9206
6/16/09 at 7:20pm
Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

I have a klipsch centre speaker
Klipsch sub-woofer 10"
Kiplsch satellite speakers.

And Celestion Ditton 44 front speakers.

I have had these front speakers since 1975 and they served me well and still are.

I was wondering which frot speakers would sound good with my system

paradigm monitor7 v6
Klipsch F2
or keep my Celestion and use the cash for vacation

Music has to sound natural and not get on my nerves in the long run. So they must lean toward Classical.
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post #354 of 9206
6/16/09 at 7:41pm
Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

I have a klipsch centre speaker
Klipsch sub-woofer 10"
Kiplsch satellite speakers.

And Celestion Ditton 44 front speakers.

I have had these front speakers since 1975 and they served me well and still are.

I was wondering which frot speakers would sound good with my system

paradigm monitor7 v6
Klipsch F2
or keep my Celestion and use the cash for vacation

Music has to sound natural and not get on my nerves in the long run. So they must lean toward Classical.
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post #355 of 9206
6/16/09 at 7:50pm
help!

jut got my 1910 today. I only use the TV speaker. hook every up by default through HDMI: DVD to DVD HDMI1, PS3 to HDMI2, DVR(cable box) to HDMI4; output to TV. no sound for DVR.

How do I get the sound going?
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post #356 of 9206
6/16/09 at 8:52pm
Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

I have a klipsch centre speaker
Klipsch sub-woofer 10"
Kiplsch satellite speakers.

And Celestion Ditton 44 front speakers.

I have had these front speakers since 1975 and they served me well and still are.

I was wondering which frot speakers would sound good with my system

paradigm monitor7 v6
Klipsch F2
or keep my Celestion and use the cash for vacation

Music has to sound natural and not get on my nerves in the long run. So they must lean toward Classical.
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post #357 of 9206
6/16/09 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by BobMN55446 View Post

I just installed the 1910 this weekend. I have a comcast HD cable box. I am very pleased with what the chip in the 1910 has done with the SD channels.

how do you set up the HD DVR comcast with 1910. i have pic but no sound.
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post #358 of 9206
6/16/09 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Direwolf View Post

strangelet and I were/are having issues with getting audio from the receiver whenever a Sony TV is connected. The video portion is always sent to the TV just fine, however. Somehow (probably through some sort of HDMI/EDID handshake bug) the 1910 forces all connected components to downmix to stereo (or send no audio at all, in some cases, probably because the device cannot downmix) whenever a Sony TV is connected and powered-on.

I've made no forward progress with this issue through Denon tech support.

FYI I did get an email response from Denon. They asked if my TV has the latest firmware, and I believe it does (last update 2006, I think.) I'm not optimistic for a quick resolution to this.

And BTW I'm not trying to bad mouth Denon products .. I owned an AVR 2400 for 10 years and never had any issues. Just bummed that I can't use the 1910 to its full capabilities. Still debating if I should keep the unit and just use an optical audio connection for Blu Ray / Tivo until I get a new TV ...
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post #359 of 9206
6/16/09 at 11:04pm
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Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

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Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

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Originally Posted by frankmar View Post

Guys, maybe this extra cash I got is itching my head.

So good it had to be said thrice!

frankmar, two suggestions:

1. you should be aware that there is a "delete" function available when you go to edit your message, so you can clean up accidental double (or triple!) posts

2. you will have more luck in the speaker forum. speaker decision questions are best taken there as it's not really a brand-specific thing. It's best if this owner's thread stays focused on Denon-related setup help and discussion.
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post #360 of 9206
6/16/09 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by na_tra View Post

help!

jut got my 1910 today. I only use the TV speaker. hook every up by default through HDMI: DVD to DVD HDMI1, PS3 to HDMI2, DVR(cable box) to HDMI4; output to TV. no sound for DVR.

How do I get the sound going?

MANUAL SETUP > HDMI SETUP > Set "HDMI Audio Out" = "TV"

see pg 28 of the manual
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