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post #3961 of 9205
1/2/10 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

Of course, these settings are per input source, so if you find one combination is needed to make the menu appear, then you must replicate that across all the video sources you use.

Thanks Bill - when configuring the scaler for each input, then this is telling the AVR what resolution to upscale the output up to. Is my interpretation correct?

I'm sure when I initially set it up I just plugged the HMDI out connection into a panel and displayed the menu without changing anything. As the menu is just output from the AVR itself, should the input settings affect it anyway?
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post #3962 of 9205
1/2/10 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by dacduster View Post

With one exception; I feel that I'm not getting enough bass out of the SW. I have the SW setting at +15db but when I turn the volume up to reference level ~-20db the mids and highs overpower....especially with music.

Keep in mind that the Denon has set your speakers such that they provide reference level (75db) at 0db AVR volume level. Do you have Dyn EQ engaged? You can bump up the individual channel levels (including the sub) using the CH LVL button on your remote. I'm guessing when you say you have the sub at +15db you mean the EXT IN setting which is different from the CH LVL sub setting. All speakers should be set to SMALL and if you mainly listen to music, you may want to try setting the sub to LFE+MAIN as well if not already set that way.
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post #3963 of 9205
1/2/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by barnsey View Post

As the menu is just output from the AVR itself, should the input settings affect it anyway?

The menu's resolutoin is 480i and some HDTVs cannot receive a 480i signal over HDMI which is why it must be upscaled to a higher resolution.
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post #3964 of 9205
1/2/10 at 2:01pm
All I lack to finish my 7.1 speaker upgrade is the two mains. I will have more than enough money next week to either buy one of the speakers or to pay down on a new 1910. Yes, I found seller willing to allow me several months to pay it off. I know it may sound silly but, it takes time for my reserves to build up. Once I have the 1910 snagged, I will still be able to buy the speakers easily enough during the same time as I pay off the receiver. It just not easy to find 1910 at low price and that seller is wiling to be so flexible on payment options. If I knew for sure that 1910's would be around at reasonable prices for awhile longer I suppose I could hold off.
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post #3965 of 9205
1/2/10 at 2:08pm
As discussed before, most likely the 1910 will be replaced with a new model in May so there is no reason for it to go up.
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post #3966 of 9205
1/2/10 at 5:47pm
So I got the 1910 hooked up, hd cable box, ps3, and wii. all using hd cable, except wii of course. the wii is hooked up through the denon. Everything seemed to working fine but I am having 2 problems.

1. when i hit the menu button the the remote the screen just goes black, didnt do this before.

2. we played the wii new years eve but now when i turn the wii on it is black and white and wont hold the signal. when i unplug wii from avr and hook to t.v it works like its supposed to.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob
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post #3967 of 9205
1/2/10 at 6:46pm
Been watching this thread for the past month now trying to see how much people have been getting the 1910 for. Just found it for $450 shipped which seems like a fine deal. But, they also have the 2310 for $625 shipped, now I'm contemplating...

I would have spent $550 on the 1910, whats another $80 for the 2310?

Oh decisions decisions...
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post #3968 of 9205
1/2/10 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by 864runner View Post

So I got the 1910 hooked up, hd cable box, ps3, and wii. all using hd cable, except wii of course. the wii is hooked up through the denon. Everything seemed to working fine but I am having 2 problems.

1. when i hit the menu button the the remote the screen just goes black, didnt do this before.

2. we played the wii new years eve but now when i turn the wii on it is black and white and wont hold the signal. when i unplug wii from avr and hook to t.v it works like its supposed to.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob


I just tried resetting the processor and now it wont even let me run audyssey? the screen just flashes between black, snow, and green. I even tried a different hdmi plug.
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post #3969 of 9205
1/2/10 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by 864runner View Post

So I got the 1910 hooked up, hd cable box, ps3, and wii. all using hd cable, except wii of course. the wii is hooked up through the denon. Everything seemed to working fine but I am having 2 problems.

1. when i hit the menu button the the remote the screen just goes black, didnt do this before.

2. we played the wii new years eve but now when i turn the wii on it is black and white and wont hold the signal. when i unplug wii from avr and hook to t.v it works like its supposed to.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob

Hi Rob, my 1910 would go to a black/blank screen for a second or two then the Menu screen would show up. Have you try replacing the HDMI cable from receiver to Tv?
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post #3970 of 9205
1/2/10 at 7:28pm
yeah, i waited about 30-45 seconds and I just tried a different hdmi plug and still nothing.
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post #3971 of 9205
1/2/10 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by 864runner View Post

I just tried resetting the processor and now it wont even let me run audyssey? the screen just flashes between black, snow, and green. I even tried a different hdmi plug.

Did the OSD started flashing when resetting the processor? And is the OSD on the receiver working and displaying correctly?
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post #3972 of 9205
1/2/10 at 8:44pm
yes it did start flashing. the osd on the display is working. when i push menu on the display it brings up parameters, but nothing to the t.v. i just took it back to bb were i bought it and they exchanged it for a new one. the only thing i can think of is it was the hdmi output? when the t.v is hooked up to my cable box with the hdmi it works fine.
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post #3973 of 9205
1/2/10 at 9:30pm
Thank you jdsmoothie and Bill! You answered my question masterfully!
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post #3974 of 9205
1/2/10 at 10:39pm
i have the 1910 and was wondering if there is a way to assign the 3 "quick select" buttons on the top of the remote? I want to assign number 1 to cable box, hdmi1, number 2 to ps3, hdmi2, and wii to number 3, which is hooked up to dvr plugs? This way it would make it a lot easier for my wife to use.
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post #3975 of 9205
1/2/10 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by 864runner View Post

i have the 1910 and was wondering if there is a way to assign the 3 "quick select" buttons on the top of the remote? I want to assign number 1 to cable box, hdmi1, number 2 to ps3, hdmi2, and wii to number 3, which is hooked up to dvr plugs? This way it would make it a lot easier for my wife to use.

Yes. If you look on page 50 of the manual, it describes the procedure. Essentially, set your Input source, Input mode, Surround mode, Audyssey settings, Front speaker setup, and Volume, then press and hold the desired Quick select button until "Memory" appears on the display. Under Menu -> Manual setup -> Option setup, you can change the display name for these.
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post #3976 of 9205
1/2/10 at 11:08pm
Nevermind about the quick select buttons. page 50 explains it quite well. sorry.
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post #3977 of 9205
1/3/10 at 6:26am
864 -
Careful with the Quick Select buttons as although they initially sound very helpful, more often then not they get folks in trouble once they start using them. Keep in mind that as long as you only use the Quick Select buttons to select a particular source you're golden. However, if you should use one of the other keypad buttons to select that same source, the presets you have saved using the Quick Select button won't be applied (unless that particular source's QS button was the last button used to select that source).

For example, say you have "DD PLII - Cinema" saved for 2.0 audio (SD channels, commercials) under Quick Select 1 (Cable) and you have "STEREO" set for 2.0 audio under Quick Select 3 (Wii) (not that you would be just go with me here). If you use QS 3 to turn on the Denon and play the Wii, then use the number pad to select the cable input source to watch TV (instead of using QS 1), whenever a commercial or SD channel is played, you would hear it in STEREO rather than DD PLII-Cinema as that is the last surround mode that was selected for a 2.0 source (as you used the QS 3 button to turn ON the Denon).

Another example. Say you pressed QS 1 to watch TV last night and then you turn OFF the Denon when you're done. The last surround mode for 2.0 stereo is "DD PLII - Cinema". It's now Sunday morning and you want to listen to the Acoustic Brunch on your local jazz radio station, so you turn ON the Denon (using the power button on the remote) and then select the Tuner using the remote keypad. You want to listen in STEREO, but the last surround mode used for 2.0 was DD PL - Cinema, so you'll need to remember to select STEREO on the remote. Now, you're done with the TUNER, and want to watch TV, unless you use the QS 1 button to select the cable source, you'll get the SD and commercials in STEREO as that was the last surround mode used for 2.0 audio source.

The QS buttons can be very helpful as long as you keep in mind what they are actually doing when you press them.
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post #3978 of 9205
1/3/10 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by barnsey View Post

Thanks again - I have tried all ip scaler settings, none of them make any difference. Also the processor reset hasnt helped either. Surely even with no inputs connected or configured it should display it's own menu output via hmdi ? The panel just says no signal.

I'm inclined to think it's a faulty unit now?

The 1910 does not have a VIDEO generator. It depends on PIGGY BACKING the menu on to a active video source. I discovered this quirk when I had a 1910 in house confirming firmware issue with 1909. I called DENON to find out why I couldn't see menu with audio only thru unit. The csr first said unit was bad to take it back, then called me back with the info about lack of video generator on 1910 and the fix for firmware on the 09.

Ron
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post #3979 of 9205
1/3/10 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by volcanoron View Post

The 1910 does not have a VIDEO generator. It depends on PIGGY BACKING the menu on to a active video source. I discovered this quirk when I had a 1910 in house confirming firmware issue with 1909. I called DENON to find out why I couldn't see menu with audio only thru unit. The csr first said unit was bad to take it back, then called me back with the info about lack of video generator on 1910 and the fix for firmware on the 09.

Ron

barnsey, what Ron has written rings a bell with me. Now that he mentions it, I seem to recall that when I owned a -790, I had a composite cable to my Samsung LCD that I had to use to access the on-screen display for non-video sources. For my bluray that I ran through the AVR-790 with HDMI, I could access the menu directly without changing the set. I was pleasantly surprised when I replaced my 790 with a 989 that I could always access the menu over the HDMI connection.

As I recall, your initial problem was that you were no longer seeing upscaled video from other video sources over HDMI, and you started testing this with the menuing to try to diagnose that problem. I don't think you identified whether those other sources were component or composite. Ron's point indicates that you cannot use the behavior of the menuing to help diagnose the original problem.
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post #3980 of 9205
1/3/10 at 10:09am
I am getting the 1910 installed this year. I heard I could connect it to the Internet with the ASD-51N iPod dock. Will this allow me to play Pandora via the 1910? I already have Ethernet cable ready to connect at the future location.

Just thought I'd mention that I don't have an iPod. I just want to stream Internet radio such as Pandora.
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post #3981 of 9205
1/3/10 at 10:33am
I have the 1910 and am very happy with it (other than the occasional HDMI handshake quirk). But is there any way to coax a little more highs and crispness out of my Polk Audio CS10 center channel? It sounds good, full and deep, although occasionally a bit boomy. Maybe I just got used to more dialogue brightness that I had with my old Cambridge SoundWorks CC which I had for over a decade. I've run and re-run Audyssey several times. Which of the setting, Regular or Flat might give me a little more CC high end? I also have Dynamic EQ on at all times and Dynamic Volume off. Any other tricks to dial up the crispness? This receiver will do amazing things, but sometimes I miss simple little things like the old bass and treble knobs on the front. Geez, did I just totally date myself or what?
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post #3982 of 9205
1/3/10 at 10:35am
I have a Denon 1910 on order to be delivered next week for a second system.

Does anyone know whether or not it outputs 90 watts continuous to all 5 (or 7) channels simultaneously?

I plan on using existing speakers left over from other "projects" for a 5.1 setup: B&W 705 speakers with B&W FS700 stands for front left and right, KEF iQ2C center, and KEF 2001 eggs for surrounds with Infinity TSS-SUB750 subwoofer. I'm a bit concerned that I might clip and damage a speaker if the 1910 drops ouput power in a surround sound setup.

I'm also hoping that the Audyssey calibration can handle my 'mixed-bag' of speakers and level things out.
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post #3983 of 9205
1/3/10 at 10:36am
Movie -
You still have bass and treble adjustments (p. 46). Turn OFF Dyn EQ, make the adjustments, then turn it back ON again.
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post #3984 of 9205
1/3/10 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by BlueMonkeyGlider View Post

Does anyone know whether or not it outputs 90 watts continuous to all 5 (or 7) channels simultaneously?

Denon's generally benchmark fairly close to their rating with 5 channels driven so you should expect roughly 85W at 5 channels, somewhat less for 7 channels. Audyssey will do a very good job of matching your speakers to your room dynamics.
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post #3985 of 9205
1/3/10 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

864 -
Careful with the Quick Select buttons as although they initially sound very helpful, more often then not they get folks in trouble once they start using them. Keep in mind that as long as you only use the Quick Select buttons to select a particular source you're golden. However, if you should use one of the other keypad buttons to select that same source, the presets you have saved using the Quick Select button won't be applied (unless that particular source's QS button was the last button used to select that source).

For example, say you have "DD PLII - Cinema" saved for 2.0 audio (SD channels, commercials) under Quick Select 1 (Cable) and you have "STEREO" set for 2.0 audio under Quick Select 3 (Wii) (not that you would be just go with me here). If you use QS 3 to turn on the Denon and play the Wii, then use the number pad to select the cable input source to watch TV (instead of using QS 1), whenever a commercial or SD channel is played, you would hear it in STEREO rather than DD PLII-Cinema as that is the last surround mode that was selected for a 2.0 source (as you used the QS 3 button to turn ON the Denon).

Another example. Say you pressed QS 1 to watch TV last night and then you turn OFF the Denon when you're done. The last surround mode for 2.0 stereo is "DD PLII - Cinema". It's now Sunday morning and you want to listen to the Acoustic Brunch on your local jazz radio station, so you turn ON the Denon (using the power button on the remote) and then select the Tuner using the remote keypad. You want to listen in STEREO, but the last surround mode used for 2.0 was DD PL - Cinema, so you'll need to remember to select STEREO on the remote. Now, you're done with the TUNER, and want to watch TV, unless you use the QS 1 button to select the cable source, you'll get the SD and commercials in STEREO as that was the last surround mode used for 2.0 audio source.

The QS buttons can be very helpful as long as you keep in mind what they are actually doing when you press them.

so what do you recommend for switching in between sources? these remotes are the worst!
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post #3986 of 9205
1/3/10 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Movielvr77 View Post

...is there any way to coax a little more highs and crispness out of my Polk Audio CS10 center channel? ... Which of the setting, Regular or Flat might give me a little more CC high end? ... Any other tricks to dial up the crispness?

Hi, Mo. First optimize the placement of the CC, making sure it is not pushed back on a shelf. Also it should be at ear height if possible, or at least aimed at your head. I found much better dialog intelligibility when I moved mine from down near the floor to on top of the cabinet angled down.

Yes the Flat curve is brighter, so try that as well. No, there is no "approved" way to tweak the tone on a speaker when using DynEQ as it is aimed at reference, not preference.

jd, your suggestion might be a little confusing. One can chose MultEQ (no DynEQ or DynVol) which allows treble/bass control. But DynEQ allows no manual EQ or tone control, regardless.
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post #3987 of 9205
1/3/10 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Movie -You still have bass and treble adjustments (p. 46). Turn OFF Dyn EQ, make the adjustments, then turn it back ON again.

Thanks JD for the tip. Followed the manual and your instructions and I've set the tone to +6, but will it stay there after I turn the Dynamic EQ back on or reset to the default of 0 when Dyn EQ is running (in other words, can these two settings play nice together)? Also, I thought I read somewhere in this thread that Audyssey Flat gives slightly more highs than the regular Audyssey setting. Or perhaps I just don't really understand what the terms flat response and roll-offs refer to. Thanks again for your help getting my speakers dialed in, you and Batpig rule!
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post #3988 of 9205
1/3/10 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi, Mo. First optimize the placement of the CC, making sure it is not pushed back on a shelf. Also it should be at ear height if possible, or at least aimed at your head. I found much better dialog intelligibility when I moved mine from down near the floor to on top of the cabinet angled down.

Yes the Flat curve is brighter, so try that as well. No, there is no "approved" way to tweak the tone on a speaker when using DynEQ as it is aimed at reference, not preference.

jd, your suggestion might be a little confusing. One can chose MultEQ (no DynEQ or DynVol) which allows treble/bass control. But DynEQ allows no manual EQ or tone control, regardless.

Thanks for these tips also. I'll definately play around with the placement of the CC, although it's a bit of a beast and it's hard to get it up ear level because of the way my stand sits and the fact that I can't get my 50" plasma up much higher to provide a spot directly under it.

But now I'm confused a bit about the tone control and Dyn EQ. But I'm sure you guys will help me sort it out. Thanks again.
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1/3/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

jd, your suggestion might be a little confusing. One can chose MultEQ (no DynEQ or DynVol) which allows treble/bass control. But DynEQ allows no manual EQ or tone control, regardless.

Correct, which is why you adjust it with Dyn EQ OFF, then set it back ON again. IIRC, there was either a 1909 or 1910 poster who said that the adjustments made still held when Dyn EQ was turned back ON again. Perhaps you or someone else could confirm this?

Edit: Found this post by batpig who at the time surmissed it is possible as well.
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post #3990 of 9205
1/3/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by 864runner View Post

so what do you recommend for switching in between sources? these remotes are the worst!

Agreed. Which is why a Harmony remote is generally recommended (some models avail in the $50-$70 range). Although, I'm not suggesting you change what you're currently doing, rather just be aware of what using the Quick Selects entails. If you don't have any issues with them, then keep do'in what you're do'in.
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