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post #4021 of 9218
1/4/10 at 9:05am
Well UPS just bought my 1910. When I ordered it was a " open box" deal with a extra special savings discount code for a great price. I'll tell ya what this box has NEVER been opened Well I got to go and hook it up, I'll let ya know how it goes
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post #4022 of 9218
1/4/10 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

jd, I do hear a difference when adjusting from +6 to -6 in bass level and it does reflect with Dyn EQ turned back to "ON".
With Dyn EQ "ON" there is no Tone Control
With Dyn EQ "OFF", Tone Control would appear under Parameter 1-2
Just a note that I do not have a sub and only running Energy C500 front L&R, C-C100 center and C-R100 surround.

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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

To clarify, even if I push the tone controls to opposite extremes (for ex., treble @ max boost, bass @ max cut, very thin sounding) while DynEQ is OFF, I get the same delicious reference sound when I turn DynEQ ON. And the tone controls disappear.


Welcome back everyone!

This has of course been a topic of discussion for over a year now since Dyn EQ came into Denon units and people have been wondering whether tone controls would still be in effect when Dyn EQ is engaged.

What we know for sure is that the option to change the tone controls in the menu disappears when Dyn EQ is engaged. This is consistent across models.

The question is whether the changes made to tone control when Dyn EQ is OFF are still in effect when Dyn EQ is reengaged.

My initial working hypothesis (from the 2008 post JD linked above) was that they would indeed be in effect, but I had no way to test at the time as I wasn't using an AVR with Dyn EQ.

However, other people tested this on 09 models (maxing out the tone controls to opposite extremes) and reported (as does SoM) that they heard NO DIFFERENCE. Thus, we concluded that tone controls did NOT remain in effect once Dyn EQ has been reengaged. This conclusion has been unchallenged for some time.

However, we now have several anecdotal reports that this behavior has changed for the new '10 models. I will have to test this on my 2310, and other '10 model owners should as well. (easy test: put on a familiar piece of music with solid bass and good highs, turn off Dyn EQ, max out the tone controls to +6 bass / -6 treble... turn Dyn EQ back on... then repeat the experiment with the opposite extremes. If tone controls are in effect, the tonal difference between +6B/-6T and -6B/+6T should be obvious).
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post #4023 of 9218
1/4/10 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


You'll want to use a subwoofer or digital coax cable rather than a red or white RCA cable.


Hi JDS , I was reading this post and I swear I saw post in the sub section talking about this matter. They mentioned that one VideoRCA Composite will do since the signal is analog and monaural...I'm a missing something here
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post #4024 of 9218
1/4/10 at 11:08am
Thread Starter 
the yellow video cable is different than the red/white analog cable, it has a different spec which is the same as that for digital coax (or "subwoofer") cable but it may not the same as that for the red/white audio cables.

so using the yellow video cable is safe because you know it is built to the same specs.
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post #4025 of 9218
1/4/10 at 11:20am
Congrats Half Moon on your new AVR

Welcome back Batpig and thank you for the prompt answer!
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post #4026 of 9218
1/4/10 at 11:54am
I'm having a strange digital audio issue with my new AVR 790:
I have a HTPC connected via HDMI for video and coax for digital audio
The AVR 790 shows the digital audio signal as being "Stereo" in windows XP and the HTPC's sound comes through fine.
Whenever I start a movie on the HTPC that is in DTS or some other multichannel format, the display on the AVR 790 changes to DTS as appropriate, but no sound comes out of the AVR 790.
Interestingly, I can get the multichannel sound back by simply hitting "mute" then "un-muting" the sound on the receiver. It works, but its annoying.
It's almost like the AVR 790 loses sync with the digital audio signal and goes silent, then resynchs once I mute/unmute the reciever.

Any ideas?
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post #4027 of 9218
1/4/10 at 12:02pm
Overstock got them for 350 shipped and there NEW units, not refurbs.
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...00192089A0A1D8
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post #4028 of 9218
1/4/10 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Correct, however, you can change the sub mode in STEREO mode only to LFE+Main (p. 29 Owners Manual) to also send the mains bass frequencies to the sub as well.

I noticed that and have done so as my fronts are have decent low extension. So in V.Aux playing music in stereo mode, if I change the Sub volume, will this also affect DVD / HDP mode when watching movies in DTS & DD modes?
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post #4029 of 9218
1/4/10 at 12:36pm
Thread Starter 
channel level volumes are GLOBAL across all surround modes so changing the sub volume in stereo mode will indeed affect the other modes.

the ONLY exception to this are the front L/R speaker volumes which can be set separately for two-channel modes (stereo/direct) in the 2CH DIRECT/STEREO menu (see pg 29 of the manual) so your best bet, if you want to boost the sub for stereo (2.1) listening, is to instead LOWER the volume of the FL/FR in for stereo/direct modes which will effectively make the sub louder (relatively). This way it won't affect your other surround modes.
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post #4030 of 9218
1/4/10 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

channel level volumes are GLOBAL across all surround modes so changing the sub volume in stereo mode will indeed affect the other modes.

the ONLY exception to this are the front L/R speaker volumes which can be set separately for two-channel modes (stereo/direct) in the 2CH DIRECT/STEREO menu (see pg 29 of the manual) so your best bet, if you want to boost the sub for stereo (2.1) listening, is to instead LOWER the volume of the FL/FR in for stereo/direct modes which will effectively make the sub louder (relatively). This way it won't affect your other surround modes.

ok, now that is a great tip. thx, once again BP!
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post #4031 of 9218
1/4/10 at 4:41pm
Ok Here is my setup and then I will explain the problem


I have a Denon 790 Receiver with 2 - RC-500 Towers, C-C50 Center Channel, and 2 C-50 Bookshelves as my rear speakers and a S10.3 Subwoofer

I have a Samsung 46B750 LCD tv.

My question is 1) how do I hook the system up to make it sound the best
2) Why am I getting so much base out of the towers and little out of the sub

The audio sounds great when playing a Blu Ray, or Digital HDTV, but when I play video games on my Xbox360, my tower F/L Speakers sound muffled and basey. When I did my audyssey setup, it measured my sub as 27ft away when its only like 10 ft.

How do i set this thing up to sound great on my games
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post #4032 of 9218
1/4/10 at 5:11pm
Thread Starter 
1) follow my setup guide... standard speaker wire hook-up for the speakers and RCA cable to the SW, and then run Audyssey

2) because the crossover is too low, it is almost certainly set to 40Hz by Audyssey. Manually reset the crossovers to 80Hz for anything that is lower than 80 (this is discussed in the Audyssey section of my FAQ)

3) go to Parameters > Audyssey Settings and lower the "Dynamic EQ Refernece Level Offset" to 10 or even 15dB if the bass sounds too muffled/boomy with certain sources... this will lessen the aggressiveness of the boost Dyn EQ is making (a very common complaint with video games)

4) the sub distance thing is because of the internal crossover circuitry in your SW adding electrical delay to the signal. I believe the S10.3 has a "bypass" switch that you can use to turn off the LPF filter (although if you do change this you will need to re-run Audyssey).
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post #4033 of 9218
1/4/10 at 5:11pm
Question for the group:

I just got the 1910, and will be installing it into an entertainment center TV cart. Typical entertainment center, with cart, peirs, and bridge. The glass doors close on the front, but are not sealed tight, having a small 1/8-1/4" gap between the doors. The back is closed pretty much, excluding some cut outs to run cables.

I'm thinking if I remove one of the shelfs, or adjust it to give it 6 inches or so above the receiver and off course stack nothing on top, but do you think I need to remove the back to allow more venting, or install a fan to remove the hot air out the back, etc.?

Other items in the cart on either different shelves or next to it would include, Wii, DirectTV DVR, and Blu-ray player.

Thanks!
Josh
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post #4034 of 9218
1/4/10 at 5:32pm
jwigginton

Did that PM work?
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post #4035 of 9218
1/4/10 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

1) follow my setup guide... standard speaker wire hook-up for the speakers and RCA cable to the SW, and then run Audyssey

2) because the crossover is too low, it is almost certainly set to 40Hz by Audyssey. Manually reset the crossovers to 80Hz for anything that is lower than 80 (this is discussed in the Audyssey section of my FAQ)

3) go to Parameters > Audyssey Settings and lower the "Dynamic EQ Refernece Level Offset" to 10 or even 15dB if the bass sounds too muffled/boomy with certain sources... this will lessen the aggressiveness of the boost Dyn EQ is making (a very common complaint with video games)

4) the sub distance thing is because of the internal crossover circuitry in your SW adding electrical delay to the signal. I believe the S10.3 has a "bypass" switch that you can use to turn off the LPF filter (although if you do change this you will need to re-run Audyssey).


Tried that, but when I play cod modern warfare 2 on my xbox the towers sound very basey and muffled, but the rears sound nice and crisp. How do I adjust this so its crisp on all of the speakers!?
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post #4036 of 9218
1/4/10 at 6:45pm
Yeah - thanks for the info!
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post #4037 of 9218
1/4/10 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by joyn6160 View Post

Tried that, but when I play cod modern warfare 2 on my xbox the towers sound very basey and muffled, but the rears sound nice and crisp. How do I adjust this so its crisp on all of the speakers!?

Check your Audyssey settings - are the fronts set to "small" or "large"? They should be set to small, no matter whether they are full-range towers or bookshelves, assuming you have a sub.

This is straight from the Audyssey FAQ and batpig's advice.
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post #4038 of 9218
1/4/10 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by jwigginton View Post

Question for the group:

I just got the 1910, and will be installing it into an entertainment center TV cart. Typical entertainment center, with cart, peirs, and bridge. The glass doors close on the front, but are not sealed tight, having a small 1/8-1/4" gap between the doors. The back is closed pretty much, excluding some cut outs to run cables.

I had an enclosed entertainment center, and only three items (receiver, DVR, DVD player) in the shelving area where the AVR 790 was going, but I decided to bite the bullet and install a fan rather than just hope for the best with "lots of space" around the receiver. I got a fan kit from the cooler guys, installing it was easy and it keeps things nice and cool. You can't hear it at all, and with the switched outlets, it's on when the receiver is on, and off when it's off (which worked for my scenario). And it's cut the temp of my HD DVR (DirecTV) by like 25 degrees.

My cabinet's 24" deep on the bottom and runs all along a wall in my basement. At around 32" in height there's a counter-top all the way along and bookshelves on top (14" deep). The TV just sits on top of the counter in a cut-out that's around the size of a 60" TV. The fan exhausts out the "top" of the lower cabinets (through the counter-top).

http://www.coolerguys.com/840556082903.html

I keep the AVR as the top item (heat rises) and with 5" above it. But even with little space above the DVR and not a lot of air gap at the back of the shelves (the wires are all smushed in back) the fan works great.
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post #4039 of 9218
1/4/10 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by jcricket View Post

Check your Audyssey settings - are the fronts set to "small" or "large"? They should be set to small, no matter whether they are full-range towers or bookshelves, assuming you have a sub.

This is straight from the Audyssey FAQ and batpig's advice.

They are set to small
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post #4040 of 9218
1/5/10 at 6:02am
Hi all. I've been enjoying my new 1910 for about a month now, with very few issues. Yesterday was the first quiet time alone I've had to run the Audyssey setup, and it went fine. However, I noticed last night that I no longer receive any 5.1 audio from my Comcast DVR (connected to the AVR via HDMI)--everything comes in as Stereo/2.0 (even though the info page from the DVR confirms that the program is broadcasting in 5.1---I checked all my HD channels). I didn't change anything on the DVR or the TV (Samsung 52B750), and it worked fine before the setup. Could Audyssey have changed some setting that would cause this? Any suggestions?

Thanks.
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post #4041 of 9218
1/5/10 at 6:12am
What does the 1910 front panel display when you're feeding the HD channel's DD 5.1 (keeping in mind that just because the DVR says it's in 5.1 doesn't necessarily mean it will be, better to try multiple HD channels to confirm though)? Does it say Dolby Digital? If not, press the STD (Standard) button on the back of the remote to put the AVR in the DD / DD PLII surround mode.
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post #4042 of 9218
1/5/10 at 6:15am
This procedure has been mentioned before; however, bears repeating when HDMI handshake issues seem to the cause of your frustration (keeping in mind that it doesn't always work, but certainly worth trying):


1. While all HDMI devices are on, disconnect HDMI cable from TV
2. Turn off power to all devices (not in standby)
3. Disconnect all HDMI feeds at both ends [NOTE where they go back]
4. Wait 2 minutes
5. Reconnect all HDMI cables
6. Apply power to TV, then AVR, then HDMI video source

If the above doesn't work, try swapping out or replacing the HDMI cable to the TV as well as the HDMI component having the issue.
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post #4043 of 9218
1/5/10 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by DaMutha1 View Post

Hi all. I've been enjoying my new 1910 for about a month now, with very few issues. Yesterday was the first quiet time alone I've had to run the Audyssey setup, and it went fine. However, I noticed last night that I no longer receive any 5.1 audio from my Comcast DVR (connected to the AVR via HDMI)--everything comes in as Stereo/2.0 (even though the info page from the DVR confirms that the program is broadcasting in 5.1---I checked all my HD channels). I didn't change anything on the DVR or the TV (Samsung 52B750), and it worked fine before the setup. Could Audyssey have changed some setting that would cause this? Any suggestions?

Thanks.

I don't know about your Comcast DVR, but this happens occasionally with my Scientific Atlanta cable box on Time Warner. Apparently, when there is an Amber alert, or a test of the emergency broadcasting system, where the cable system has to add audio over the broadcast, the box switches to PCM. (Think of your blu-ray player that changes when you enable Secondary Audio.) If I look into the cable box settings, the audio setting still says Dolby, but when I switch the box to PCM and back to Dolby, the AVR begins receiving Dolby 5.1 again on HD channels.
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post #4044 of 9218
1/5/10 at 8:00am
I have noticed that receiver will switch back and forth between sound coming form front right front left and to Center speaker between programs, channels and or commercials. Is this because it is detecting the audio source DD 5.1, stereo ect...? I haven't changed any surround sound settings so I am assuming it is auto detecting. Sorry I know that is probably basic question but just wanted conformation.

Do most of you set AVR to auto select source or set it manually for DD 5.1 ect...? I have the AVR-790
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post #4045 of 9218
1/5/10 at 8:12am
If you've got STANDARD (STD) mode selected it should play DD 5.1 (HD channels) or DD PLII (simulated 5.1 for commercials and SD channels). If you selected STEREO mode for PCM 2.0 perhaps that's what you're hearing. What do you see displayed on the front panel as you watch TV?
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post #4046 of 9218
1/5/10 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

I understand your logic of placing the "side" speakers on the rear wall, however, keep in mind the intention of DD/DTS 5.1 is for the side speakers to actually be "on the sides", so if they are on the rear wall, the surround sound audio you hear will not have the same impact as the mixer intended you to hear. You would be much better served if you could place the "side" surrounds on stands to either side of your listening area and just "slightly" to the rear rather than all the way to the back rear wall, especially as they will be so far back. Even in a 7.1 setup, the rear surrounds are ideally only supposed to be 2'-3' behind the couch.

Also, my point was to ensure you used the "side" surround jacks (regardless of where you place them) as you won't get any audio from the "rear" surround jacks in a 5.1 setup as several other posters have learned trying to do what you're doing as well.

ok, I ordered the stands for them (98cm high). Everything is in the shop, except the DVR-1910, and I ordered some good cables, those should arrive tommorow.
I'm hitting my 4000 EURO barrier. Yes, in Belgium it costs more than in England. But I prefer to buy in at a shop nearby.

Another question, with a 42" panasonic plasma screen in mind, how far should
I place the front speakers, from the TV? The manual mentions
"Where possible, the height of the centre
channel’s tweeter should be close to the height of your front speakers’ tweeter — ideally, within about 600mm."
Another site, says, that this depends about the size of the HDTV.



pictures from fransvaneeckhout.be

With the stands I will have one cable visible. Have to find some solution for this.

My god, 5.1 is already difficult, if I want to go to 7.1 with the avr-1910, may
I place these speakers on the wall behind the sofa's, about 2.5 meter from master listening point? No other solution for placement.

I found several 7.1 DTSHD classical music on Amazon, that should sound fantastic.. yep, another 400 EUR for two extra Radius90HD's.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your help guys.
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post #4047 of 9218
1/5/10 at 9:08am
Hey JDS,
I will check when I get home where is the STANDARD (STD) mode selected and or how could I verify? I can RTFM as well
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post #4048 of 9218
1/5/10 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by jcricket View Post


I keep the AVR as the top item (heat rises) and with 5" above it. But even with little space above the DVR and not a lot of air gap at the back of the shelves (the wires are all smushed in back) the fan works great.

Thanks for the tips, I'll check out the coolerguys fans. I have a ton of PC fans that I can use, not sure how DIY I feel.
I wish my 1910 had a 12V trigger, that would make it much easier to adapt a 12VDC fan.

Thanks!
Josh
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post #4049 of 9218
1/5/10 at 9:37am
What are the plates on the back of my energy c-500 towers for? They are the metal plates that connect the black in the +/- range and the reds in the +/- range

could this have anything to do with the muffled sound if they are not connected?
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post #4050 of 9218
1/5/10 at 9:51am
FYI
I was having issue getting Apple TV to work with AVR-790 and Mitshu 60-737 via HDMI connection through AVR. Digging through Batpigs FAQ I read something about turning HDMI controll off on both AVR and HDMI CEC off on Mitshu as well and it works like a champ.

I played around with this for hour or so was driving me crazy because I even tried using component from Apple TV and AVR and that didn't work either. I was bummed thought video switching was not working for Apple tv as my dvd via component was working. Everything is working now

So HDMI control off HDMI CEC off on TV to get Apple TV to work with AVR-790
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