*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1910/790 Owner's Thread - Page 251

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I spoke with a CF sales person and got the same line about no way to confirm the serial number before shipping. I even asked if their purchasing department had an inventory list of the range of serial numbers from their latest batch of 1910's. Again, no dice. Purchasing doesn't talk to customers.

So I hung up and spoke with customer service (800-955-9091). She suggested you speak with a tech support person (800-955-9094) and provide your order number and specifically why you need an "003" unit to see if they might be able to work with you to ensure you get one. If they are not able to guarantee an "003" unit, she suggested you ask for a full refund and go to another vendor that can guarantee an "003" unit.

Thanks JD! It works like a charm. You, Batpig, and many others have been a great help to me (and I'm sure everyone else). Thanks.

Can you make the volume show up on the Tv screen? or is it only visible on the receiver? Anyone know?

Hello,
I just bought the amazing 1910; it is a great piece of work.
However, I face a weird problem:

1) When I connect a HDTV ADSL Box to AVR and projector Infocus X3, it works well, whatever component or HDMI (with M1/HDMI or component adaptors for the projector)

2) When I connect a DVD player (Pioneer DV-S733A) or a DVR (Panasonic DMR-EH50) to the AVR and the projector in components, it works fine too.

3) When I connect the DVD player or the DVR in component, and the AVR to the projector in HDMI (M1/HDMI adaptor), I have got only the sound from the AVR. The projector displays that it receives some 720p input (or any other resolution I selected in the AVR analog/hdmi video conversion menu), but it remains black.

4) With the same DVD/DVR/AVR configuration (connection, conversion, upscaling, etc.), but the HDMI cable connected to a computer screen (Samsung 2494HM), then I got the image (as well as the sound from AVR, of course).

As I was stick to analogic video for a while, I am confused with this tricky HDMI/upscaling issue.
Have I missed some thing in the connection/configuration?

Thanks in advance

Have you tried changing the Resolution setting from AUTO to 720p?

Thank you Jdsmoothie.
I tried first with 720p resolution (close to the native projector's resolution): no image. Then I tried with different resolutions (auto, 576p, 1080, etc.). No more image...
I also tried to modify the different HDMI settings (lipsync, control): no more progress.
I also tried to reset the AVR to factory settings, then reconfigure it.
Any other idea?

It likely has something to do with that M1/HDMI adapter you're using. Your best bet is likely to just do what works for you and not worry about HDMI.

Well, for the moment I have switched back to all-component connections. But I cannot upscale SD sources to the projector native resolution. That is not a big issue, but one of the motive to buy the 1910 was the upscaling capacity :-(
I also guess that the issue comes from the adapter. But it works in some conditions (all-HDMI adsl box -> AVR -> projector), but in some others not. Weird. Should I try another adapter?

Your projector is already upscaling the SD video to 720p. It's unlikely that the 1910 would improve the video quality of your SD video that much better than what your projector is already doing, unless the upscaler/deinterlacer in your projector is really crappy. If you want true HD video quality, upgrade to an HD cable package and use a Blu-Ray player.

Thanks jdsmoothie.
I will remain like that for a while, until earning enough to move towards an all-HD chain (BD player and fullHD projector) to complete the 1910.

What volume do you guys watch movies at? Will I blow my speakers at 0.5db?

What setting should I set my PS3 at to watch movies? Bitstream or PCM?

I have a Slim PS3 connected HDMI to my AVR-790. If I set the PS3 to PCM then all the decoding is done by the PS3 and the only thing my AVR shows is PCM. If I set the PS3 to bitstream, the AVR shows DTS-HD MA, HD Audio.

I would think bitstream is what it should be set to but I wasn't sure, does anyone know?

Hi, Ive followed the forum for quite a while but never been able to truely sort out my little issue. It relates to the BASS levels either being too high or too low (depending on source) on my Denon 1910 coming through my BOSE Am10 system.

I'd love to give you some more detail and understand exactley what your 1910 & AM10 settings are? Becsue I am all tweaked out!!!

please feel free to drop me a line.

Kind regards,

Deano09 (UK)

As I understand it, either one works well. It comes down to a matter of personal preference. Some prefer bitstream for the very reason you mention... the AVR displays the type of decoding. In my case, I prefer that the 790 do the decoding because I think Denon's decoder sounds *slightly* better than Sony's decoder. But I've read that having the AVR do the decoding then you miss some of the added sound features on the BR's such as PIP and menu effects (which I don't care for anyway). Using bitstream it's fairly easy to stitch back to PCM if you feel you're missing something.

Quick n' easy 3 step Bose AM/Audyssey tweak instructions:

1. Disconnect Bose and connect real speakers & powered sub.
2. Rerun autosetup and enjoy hugely improved SQ.
3. Sell Bose to someone without an Audyssey-equipped AVR.

Sorry, couldn't resist, but the 2 systems are simply not compatible. For Audyssey to work properly, each of the satellites must be individually connected directly to the AVR and the powered sub must be connected to the sub preout. Are you able to do that? If not, even an inexpensive set of speakers and sub will work far better than Bose when combined with Audyssey.

As RobLee has indicated there is no right or wrong here. See the PS3 section of the batpig guide.

That really depends on your speakers. Based on posts from others, average movie volume is generally -20db to -5db. In most cases, it's probably better to not go above 0db (set Max Vol limit to 0db), not too mention there's not going to be much change in volume as you go above -5db but a HUGE change in power requirement.

I agree with jd. Either pushing the amp to clipping or driving speakers beyond their rating can certainly be damaging to the speakers. You should notice the sound becoming distorted in either case and if you act promptly you can prevent damage. If your speakers are not very capable, and you like it loud, I suggest you rearrange your HT so the speakers are fairly close to you (<10'). The power needed increases as the square of the distance. Also make sure you are not listening with DVol on max (night) setting, which should only be used at low level listening.

1. the 1910 has A/B speaker switching, whereas the 790 only has "A" front speakers
2. the 1910 adds a "room to room" remote control jack for wired control from Zone 2

What does these 2 differences in the models actually mean?

Will I still be able to listen to cd's or ipod in the zone 2 with the avr-790?

Thanks for the quick reply.

I think I'll go with the avr-790, sounds like a great receiver for the money.
I was almost set on a onkyo sr508 but after reading quite a few iffy reviews regarding the HDMI port quality/compatibility and other problems I think I'll pony a little extra for the denon.

What do you guys think about a refurb'd denon 790, the price is hard to beat and it comes with a 1yr warranty from an authorized denon dealer.

Most folks have had a positive experience with Dakmart, although before purchasing there, make sure you've checked all the on-line authorized vendors as you could very well get a brand new 790 (w/full 2 year warranty)for the same price as what Dakmart is selling a refurb. I'd also check to see if your local Best Buy has any that they've reduced for quick sale.

Some ppl say never buy a refurb and I can understand why. But I have a pair of refurb Polk surround speakers from eBay and a second AVR (Yamaha) that was a BB floor model, and all work well. I've bought a few refurb MP3 players ("a few" as for myself and for gifts) and two have failed, the rest are still working. But most of my gear including my Denon is new in box. So I guess my point is yes sometimes you can get a good deal but I'd say only for the "extra" stuff and not your primary system.

I'm considering purchasing this (in preference to the 1911 which doesn't have the optical and multi channel analog inputs that I need).

However, despite reading the downloaded manual I am still baffled about HDMI pass through. Can someone please clarify:

1) If I have my Blu Ray player and satellite box connected to the Denon by HDMI, will the Denon pass through both the audio and video signals to the TV whilst in stand by? And can I switch between the Blu Ray player and satellite box while it is in standby?

2) When I switch the Denon on, will it then automatically mute the sound going to the TV and play it through the amp and speakers instead?

The answer is maybe. There was a bug in the first firmware where this did not work with some TVs. The newer manufactured units will already have the first firmware update installed. You will want to read more in jdsmoothie's Denon 2310/890; 1910/790; 1610/590 Firmware Update note.


No. Under the Standby Source option, you get a choice of Last or HDMI1/2/3/4. So you can choose one all the time, or the last HDMI source you were watching. (You can work around this, certainly for most satellite boxes, by running component video and analog audio from the satellite box to the TV, and performing the switch there, instead.)


Yes, maybe. The Standby Source option requires that HDMI Control be enabled in the Denon, which will let it defer to the TV set. So, some TV sets will want to take control of this choice between TV speakers and AVR audio. You can usually avoid this by turning off the HDMI-CEC option in the TV, in which case the choice you select in the Denon under HDMI Audio Out will take effect.

SounfofMind

As much as I want to be annoyed at your comment number 1...I have to chuckle to myslef and say "fair one!".
Problem is though, i am where I am. I simply cant afford to buy another set of speakers (I particularly like the new boston acoustic ones) because my missus will explode!
Dont get me wrong; i am very very pleased with the sound quality I have. Its just that the bass control is a nigthmare. For dvds/blu ray i have it turned down to a minimum (thats the bass unit & the 1910) but still it is excessive (in my opinion). Where as for CD music (played on the same Denon 1610 player) the bass is non existant and i have to manualy keep turnign it up and down!

So...to answer your question...YES i could connect the bose sat speakers direct to the 1910 and bypass the bass module (I also happen to have a fantastic yamaha bass speaker i bought 10 years ago which would work great) but I am very nervous about doing this incase i blow the lot!! as per the manual; it says "dont do it!". But why?? they are just speakers?? if the cross over was set high enough and the volume limit put in place what could go wrong?? they are speakers connected using normal speaker wire??

what do you think???

Hi deano. Glad you have a good sense of humor. Yes, if your Yamaha is a powered subwoofer, that's great, you can get better sound easily and cheaply. Take a RCA sub cable from the LFE preout on the AVR to the LFE in on the sub (unfiltered if available), turn the Vol knob to 1/2 and the crossover knob to max, phase =0. I would avoid placing it in the corner or right up against a wall. Also, if you have not read it, see the Audyssey setup guide for more helpful hints. Yes, go ahead and wire those tiny tiny Bose satellites with regular speaker wire directly to the AVR and run autosetup. Audyssey will doubtless give the sats a high crossover, and that's fine. And I agree you would be wise to not crank it up.

As to WAF and expenses, the big advantage to Audyssey is that it works to optimize your speakers, whatever they are. So another possible temporary upgrade measure, while awaiting the BA speakers, is that you could keep your eyes open for almost any old inexpensive used speakers off Craig's list or at a garage sale etc. This would allow you to play your HT system louder and would have better fidelity.

yeah...appreciate the feedback...(a sense of humour is important).
So you think I will be safe doing this? I'm not going to end up with 5 lovley looking BOSE bookends as soon as I turn it on??