*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1910/790 Owner's Thread - Page 30

Check p. 47 in your manual. It shows you the setting there.

Excuse my ignorance, how do you Reset the Microprocessor?

when you reset, does it erase any setting that I have done. tia

Just got my 1910 yesterday. Spent about 4 hours setting it up. Thanks to batpig's guide, it was less painful than I feared.

Connected the DVR/STB, PS3, 360, and HTPC- so all 4 HDMI ports are taken up, but I don't anticipate any additional HDMI devices in the foreseeable future, which is perfect. The ability to rename inputs is an added bonus (I didn't know you can do that), so SAT is now "PS3", HDP is now "HTPC", VCR is now "Wii", etc- makes things less confusing. I've never had a receiver with this feature, but for obsessive-compulsive types like me, it's awesome.

I'm going to have to echo the praises of the scaling ability. Before getting this receiver, I had all of my devices directly hooked into my Toshiba RV535U 1080p LCD, and it displayed 480i okay. The upconversion through the ABT chip completely blows it away.

Thanks again for the info, batpig. I'm really digging this.

I've got a Toshiba 46RV530U so that is good to hear. Thanks!

That's an option, but the PS2 (my PS3 does not have BC) and Wii are both taking up both component spots.

Here's hoping that the next-gen game systems are 100% backwards compatible... I really hate keeping old systems cluttering up receiver space.

I have a few PS2 games that I still play- lately it's been Gran Turismo 4. I figure once GT5 comes out for the PS3 (finally!), I'll retire the PS2 to the guest bedroom.

If another HDMI device that I want comes out before then, I guess I could downgrade it to composite.

I have a 4-1 HDMI switch (from monoprice), but it had HDCP handshake issues with my Samsung AS-720 receiver- one of many reasons why I upgraded to the Denon. If push comes to shove, I could use that, but I'd rather not.

I ordered the avr-1910 fm. Elec. Expo yesterday (w/employee code) at great price of $382, thanks to you guys. Can anyone who has ordered fm. them recently tell me how long they take to ship it after the order is placed. I can't wait to hook it to my BD-50 and 60" Kuro. Thanks.

I had my comcast HD dvr box at first with HDMI , it worked good, but when I used the "on demand" the cablebox switched itself from 1080i to 480p. The fix was to use component and optical and HD cable looks great in 1080p but it also looked great in 1080i , It was easy to see the differentance from 480p to 720p to 1080i , but between 1080i and than upscaled to 1080p is hard to see, but upscaled 1080p motion may look smoother. I also use a old dvd recorder which only puts out 480p component, the denon upscale and converts that to 1080p hdmi and thats night and day , but Bluray 1080p beats them all .

Just ordered the 2310 from electronic-expo for lower then what most sites have the 1910 for. I'll let you know when it shows up...

Recently installed this receiver. What "Audio Setting" do I put it on to receive 7.1? It seems to default to 5.1?!

Thanx in advance.

Hello all,

I just ordered a 790 today to replace my aging JVC AV receiver. I currently have all of my music and DVD's on an HTPC connected to my TV via HDMI with the audio from a 7.1 sound card running digitally to the receiver. I would like to run the video through the 790 and am looking for advice on the audio. Can I still connect it separately via optical or coax or am I better off reverting to HD sound via the HDMI connection?

The sound card supports Dolby Digital as well as 7.1 DTS and PCM and provides superior sound in my current setup.

I also have Verizon FIOS for my HDTV input with two HD DVR's networked over the coax. The box that will be attached to the Denon is a standard non-dvr HD STB that has network access to the DVR's for recording playback.

The final piece is an upscaling standalone DVD player - no BD as of yet.

Anyway, I have read this thread from front to back and the amount of information is amazing.

Regards

I ordered the 1910 from EE Monday night and got a confirmation email right away saying the order was placed but I still have not received any tracking info. I will call tomorrow to see what the deal is, hopefully it gets shipped out soon.

I just got my 790 today and I am having some issues with the aspect ratios. Like a previous poster, I can not stand stretched images. Here is my setup/issue:

Setup
- Cable box hooked up via R/G/B
- 790 to TV via HDMI to DVI
- TV is capable of 1080i (was good in 2003 )

Original Issue
- Picture is great for HD
- Picture is stretched for Standard

Solution
- Kept Scaling on 'Auto'
- Changed Aspect Ratio to 'Normal' instead of 'Full'

New Issue
- HD still good
- Standard video displayed just fine (not stretched) until I unpaused the cablebox DVR (I paused it to adjust the settings on the 790).
- After unpausing the picture disappeared (there was still sound)

If I try changing the ratio while on a non paused stand def channel it will not display at all when exiting the menu. If I am on a HD channel when changing the ratio, HD works fine, but when I change to a standard def channel the picture does not display.

Not sure if I am just missing something here; any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Sorry for not being more specific. AVR1910 - Samsung ?2500 (Blu-Ray). When I put it in the PLII mode it becomes Very Bassy.

just got the 790 and I have a question about the subwoofer settings.

It shows two settings LFE and LFE +MAINS.

I set the crossover at 120 to my speakers, L+C+R +SL+SR .
I have them set to small.

I want the sound under 120 to go to the subwoofer.

I have the setting at LFE.

I read the LFE to indicate that by saying "the low frequency signal of the channel for which the speaker is set to small to the subwoofer signal and output it".

However is the LFE +MAINS what I am doing and do I need to change the setting.

The LFE+MAINS says : "add the low frequency signal of all channels to the subwoofer signal and output it."

I hope I was clear on this as I am a little confused on the right setting.

I guess it is the "the channel" verses "all channels" difference that have me questioning myself.

Thanks.,

Greg

I'll try to help you on this , I only hope I got it right , so any help would be nice. The basics , speakers set on LARGE are getting full range , speakers set to SMALL are cut-off at the setting you chose and the lows are sent to the subwoofer so the total equals full range .The LFE+MAINS means that if the front left and right speakers are set to LARGE their lowend is ALSO sent to the subwoofer ( double bass ), the LFE setting controls this cut-OFF. I have found LFE+MAINS to be tricky to set just right for surround sound and will sound muddy cause of phasing if not set just right. I would use LFE at first , most will pick LFE+MAINS first which makes all the other settings harder to judge by ear..That is for surround sound. Now to the fun part for two channel stereo music their is a setting for this in the menu, Denon is the only one I've seen with this .. You can set-up the speakers different, this is great for big full rang monsters and want to use a sub. CD music is two channel and their is no LFE, CDs are 2.0 not 2.1 . So in this menu you can set to LFE+MAINS this is easy adjust by ear with music , Denon makes the switch when you switch to stereo , Its like having TWO sound systems, one for movies and one for music, with just a push of a buttion ! I'm sure I left out something , but this is just the basics if you want to do it , or just let Audyssey do it for you.

As usual the noob did not ask the question clearly. I have 2 options.

1) My current PC graphics card puts out video only via HDMI and I am Using the sound card for the digital audio signal (can be coax or Toslink). Can I get this arrangement to work running the separate inputs into and through the 790?

2) My other option is to change Graphics cards to one that does output both audio and video via HDMI but is a less powerful graphics card in certain other respects.

I know 2) will work but prefer 1) if it is doable without major hassles.

Regards

Hi yankee, welcome. I'll also offer my attempt to help clarify some things.

I see the 1910 manual have been rewritten but it's still in native Denonese. We're talking about p 25-27, right?

Of course one should first run Autosetup, p22-23, following the Audyssey Setup Guide. Then on p 24 check Autosetup Results making sure all speakers are set to Small. Chris of Audyssey (cofounder and CTO) indicates that all speakers should always be set to small for proper bass management. At this point you should also note the individual channel xover results. Following the Guide, these can be reset higher (never lower), if desired. These determine the frequency below which all content is redirected to the sub channel.

On p26 the Bass Setting should be LFE not LFE+MAINS as the latter results in "dbl bass" (the freq below the channel xover are kept in the speaker and sent to the sub!). LFE+MAINS is for idiosyncratic circumstances, requires big capable front speakers and is generally not a good idea anyway, so do not worry about it. You want the sub handling the bass, taking the load off your satellite (confusingly often all channels except sub are referred to as "satellite", not just the surrounds) speakers and your AVR. This also takes advantage of the fact that those low freq's taken from the satellites are now added in with the LFE content to create the sub channel output and those critical problematic low frequencies are treated to extra Audyssey filters before being sent out to the sub.

Also on p26: the LPF for LFE setting is confusing in that this is not a xover and according to Chris of Audyssey it should not even be adjustable. It should be set-it-and-forget-it at 120 Hz, which simply allows all the LFE channel (the .1 of 5.1 and 7.1) content through to the sub. There is no content over 120 in that channel.

For 2.0 (CD) material, although there is no ".1" content, the material below each channels' xover is sent to the sub channel for proper treatment/bass management.

Hope this helps.

tomuch, the colored part's not right; the LFE LPF is not a crossover and has no effect on non-LFE content at all. The individual satellite crossover controls this-see my post above.

Yes. In the Input Setup for Digital select the Coax or Toslink jack you are using. Now since you are not receiving audio over HDMI it may work with just that setting alone, although if not, then select INPUT MODE (on the back of the remote) and press it until it says DIGITAL on the front panel display.

Ok Thanks.

I believe I am ok to use LFE with a 120 crossover.

I had a minor problem in that when i first set it up I did not change the crossover and it was set to small and 60.

I played wanted on hbo and cranked it up and the Denon shut down.

The speaker manufacturer suggests that the crossover be at 120.

Hopefully the protection circuit protected the speaker.

Greg

Greg, did you read my above post responding to your question?
We recommend every Denon owner read batpigworld:
http://batpigworld.com/
and read and follow the Audyssey setup Guide:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895
before running autosetup. Some reading on this and the 1909 thread is also time well spent. Without knowing your speakers, if the Denon autosetup set them to 40 it would be reasonable to raise them to 80 (of course, set to small).

My mistake , It should read "the CROSSOVER setting controls this cut-off"

Thanks

I responded before your response was posted.

Thanks I will read it.

One other note, I will use the Audyssey, however I have not installed the rear speakers yet.
They are in ceiling and I am waiting for the son-in-law timeframe.
Should be next weekend.

When I do the set up I will see how that works and post it.

Thanks,

Greg