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post #9001 of 9206
3/20/12 at 9:24am
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The subwoofer setting is a LPF setting so should be raised up to 120hz to allow the full LFE signal to pass. Also ensure the front mains are reset to SMALL.
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post #9002 of 9206
3/20/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by kelleysislander View Post

I kept the SW crossover to the lowest I could set which was 80hz.

Just wondering about the 20hz "gap" between the SW and the others

the sub setting is NOT a crossover. It only affects the upper limit (low pass filter or LPF) of the LFE channel, which is the "point 1" in 5.1 or 7.1 signals.

the speaker settings are the crossovers for redirected bass.
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post #9003 of 9206
3/25/12 at 11:56am
I got a 3D Sumsung Plasma last year and was disappointed to find out my 790 was not capable of sending 3D signal through.

I am looking at the new models 1612-2312 and seems that the new units are not as good as the old when it comes to options included for the Price. The 790 has upscaling conversion more inputs for legacy devices and features for the price I paid 2 years ago $349.00.

It seems like I would have to go to the 2312 $600-849,00 to get about the same connections fo legacy and add 3D plus better sound and more HDMI connections.

I would like help in others that may have upgraded their 790 due to 3D needs and what you went with. Any suggestions on saving me the cost of the 2312 we be appreciated. I would be willing to try something than Denon but I have not heard of anything better for the price.

Thanks Brian
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post #9004 of 9206
3/25/12 at 12:04pm
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It's very likely the TV actually does as good or better a job of upscaling than would the video chip in an AVR. Another option is to simply keep the 790 and either upgrade the BDP to a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP or connect HDMI from your current BDP to the TV with optical from the BDP to the 790 with no real loss in audio quality.
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post #9005 of 9206
3/25/12 at 12:53pm
Thanks and I should have included what is currently hooked up to the 790.

PS3 player for games and Movies ( although have to hook direct to TV for 3D)
Old Xbox - No hdmi
Wii system No HDMI
Acer Revo 3700 HDMI
Kenwood surround speakers 5.1

I really would like to get the one Cable setup to the TV and have the Reciver do all the switching. Plus I told a friend he could buy my 790 as I would be upgrading for the 3D support. Ill sell him the 790 for probably $150.00 so I have some room to upgrade to a new AVR.
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post #9006 of 9206
3/25/12 at 1:02pm
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The 2112ci model is the current bang for the buck champ. Check out the initial posts of the xx12 model thread for details and conparisons. The 2112 will bring better audio fidelity than your 790 with the better version of Audyssey (XT).
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post #9007 of 9206
4/16/12 at 7:25am
My remote for my 1910 died. Red light won't shut off and no buttons work. No buttons appear stuck. Any options for replacement? Are there any newer and better designed Denon remotes that will work with my 1910? Otherwise I'll just replace it with the original equipment, but I've never loved the remote to begin with.
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post #9008 of 9206
4/16/12 at 7:34am
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Replace it with a Harmony remote (multiple models available depending on your budget and number of sources to control). You'll be able to download the Denon remote commands to the Harmony.
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post #9009 of 9206
4/17/12 at 11:05am
I'm not going to lose any functionality by going with say a Harmony One? For example turning on or off dynamic volume, adjusting channel levels etc? I do those two things often as I have a sleeping baby in the house most evenings.
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post #9010 of 9206
4/17/12 at 11:09am
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No. In fact you'll gain some functionality. Check out batpig's harmony file linked in his sig (see post above your original post). Also note, you can set up Quick Selects to have Dyn Vol ON and OFF.
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post #9011 of 9206
4/17/12 at 11:50am
I'm curious if there is a quick way to switch between a "Large" and "Small" configuration.
I often like to switch my (full range) speakers to Large for music listening, which I do by
going into the Speaker Config menu and changing fronts and rears to large. That way I
have the subs dedicated for a LFE track and allow the main woofs to handle bass notes.
(I leave the center at small as I figure there's probably not a lot of bass there anyway).
BTW I normally leave everything set to small and use 60Hz xover setting.

So I was just wondering if there was a quick way to go between my favored movie and music settings without changing the entire configuration, which I then must set back to its normal small settings for HT usage.
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post #9012 of 9206
4/17/12 at 12:16pm
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If you want to listen in STEREO mode, then yes, as there are dedicated STEREO mode settings (p. 29). You could also try using a Quick Select, although I don't believe the LARGE/SMALL settings are saved.
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post #9013 of 9206
4/17/12 at 12:32pm
Thanks for the reply, and I'm taking it as a "no" (just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something).
Stereo mode is good in some cases, but actually a lot of what I listen to now days is BD or SACD, which have dedicated tracks. I do sometimes use DIRECT to bypass Audyssey (at least I think that's what it does). But if I leave the mains crossed over to the sub it doesn't sound quite right... probably due to my sub placement being less than ideal. Full range sounds great though... I just have to remember to return the config to small before turning off the 790, else next time I watch a movie I'll forget about it.

BTW do any of the higher end Denon's perhaps have this feature?
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post #9014 of 9206
4/17/12 at 12:38pm
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Nope. Although as I suggested, give a Quick Select a try.

Also note that DIRECT mode does indeed bypass Audyssey and any bass management so unless there is a dedicated .1 track there would be nothing going to the sub.
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post #9015 of 9206
4/17/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also note that DIRECT mode does indeed bypass Audyssey and any bass management so unless there is a dedicated .1 track there would be nothing going to the sub.

Even if the mains are set to small? In that case, then a big "Thanks" - that's what I meant by
"overlooking something obvious" and may well be the best way to accomplish what I wanted.
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post #9016 of 9206
4/17/12 at 6:37pm
Well my beloved AVR1910 goes into protect mode so now it's time to get something to replace it.

Any ideas anybody?


If I get the AVR1911 will the remote from the 1910 work with it?

Thanks,

Bill
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post #9017 of 9206
4/17/12 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

Even if the mains are set to small? In that case, then a big "Thanks" - that's what I meant by
"overlooking something obvious" and may well be the best way to accomplish what I wanted.

as JD noted, you basically have two options if you want the speakers to be full range for stereo music:

option 1 - use the 2CH DIRECT/STEREO menu to configure the speakers as LARGE for 2ch modes. Set the mode to "custom" and configure how you want it for music; this will allow you to maintain audyssey for stereo music, when you are in any multichannel mode the speakers will be "small" and when you switch to stereo mode they will be "large"

option 2 - if you like to use full range for music without audyssey, just engage DIRECT or PURE DIRECT and boom, the speakers are "large".

BTW - a lot of this is covered in the audio section of my FAQ.

also, a neat trick is that you can use the 2CH DIRECT/STEREO menu along with the Direct/Stereo button on the remote to easily toggle between 2.1 (stereo + sub) and 2.0 (direct) for music.

in that menu, if you set speakers to SMALL, sub to YES, and sub mode to LFE, then set the crossover you want for 2.1 mode, it will play 2.1 (crossed over) in STEREO mode and 2.0 (full range, no sub) in DIRECT mode. So the D/St button on the remote will toggle between 2.1 and 2.0.
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post #9018 of 9206
4/17/12 at 8:36pm
Thanks Batpig. Your setup guide was invaluable two years ago when I first bought the 790 - my first Denon - and allowed my to whiz thru setup and get everything up and running with minimal fuss. Consequently, I haven't really had to do a lot of research into the unit's inner workings, but instead have just done some tweaking based on what sounds good.

I have in fact used the stereo and direct modes frequently, especially when watching TV as some program material is too boomy with the sub enabled. Thank you for the insight into what's actually happening here.
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post #9019 of 9206
5/7/12 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by kelleysislander View Post

Well my beloved AVR1910 goes into protect mode so now it's time to get something to replace it.

Any ideas anybody?


If I get the AVR1911 will the remote from the 1910 work with it?

Thanks,

Bill

Hey Bill,

I have a perfectly functional used (just under 2 years old) 1910 that I'm no longer using. PM me if you might be interested. Thanks.
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post #9020 of 9206
5/7/12 at 10:30am
Sorry if I missed it, I tried to read everything here...

Wife bought me a new Optoma HD33, 1080p, 3D Projector. It is HDMI 1.4

I have the Denon 790. I know its only HDMI 1.3

And I own several PS3's..

The question is,

Should i run a HDMI 1.4 from the PS3 to the amp and then another 1.4 to the projector?

Or Just run the 1.4 HDMI cord to the Projector, and just a Fiber Optic line to the avr?

Or, worst case scenario would be to buy another AVR?
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post #9021 of 9206
5/7/12 at 12:06pm
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The latter - the 790 cannot pass full 3D so run hdmi straight to the pj for 3D video and optical to the receiver for digital audio. You will need to reconfigure the ps3 audio settings so it know it's not sending audio over hdmi.

Updating to a new AVR would allow you to maintain the single hdmi connection for 3d video + hd audio.
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post #9022 of 9206
5/7/12 at 12:39pm
Thanks Batpig...

Now the next question might seem a little stupid, but If I just run the audio from Fiber.. Am I losing anything sound wise, I'm not a audiophile, But is there any reason to upgrade my amp?

Would the 3D be any better or worse running it from a newer AVR?

Or its not that big of a deal and stick with what I got?
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post #9023 of 9206
5/7/12 at 1:12pm
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Highly unlikely you would notice any difference in audio quality between the higher bitrate DD/DTS on BD's over fiber as compared to the HD audio over HDMI. Also, the only thing you gain connecting the 3D video through a newer XX13 model is seeing the GUI overlay, so unless that is important to you while playing a BD, stick with what you got.
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post #9024 of 9206
5/7/12 at 1:19pm
Thank you both Batpig and jdsmoothie.

Saves me alot of cash, and alot of stress =)

Charles
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post #9025 of 9206
5/7/12 at 1:40pm
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you can think of optical (lossy formats) vs. HDMI (lossless) as akin to the difference as MP3 vs. the original CD or a lossless format (like FLAC). If you are enough of an "audiophile" that you make sure to listen to lossless formats and eschew MP3, then it may be worth it for you.... if you aren't, then don't worry about it and just enjoy the current setup
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post #9026 of 9206
5/28/12 at 8:15am
Any instructions on how to check/change the fuse on the 1910? Lightning strike hit near my house and now the 1910 will not power on. I have already ordered a 2312ci as a replacement and improved my surge protector, but thought it might be worthwhile to try to change the fuse if it was easy enough.
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post #9027 of 9206
5/28/12 at 8:19am
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Sure. Pop the top. Remove blown fuse. Insert good fuse.
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post #9028 of 9206
6/1/12 at 10:55pm
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Originally Posted by EQDruid View Post

Sorry if I missed it, I tried to read everything here...

Wife bought me a new Optoma HD33, 1080p, 3D Projector. It is HDMI 1.4

I have the Denon 790. I know its only HDMI 1.3

And I own several PS3's..

The question is,

Should i run a HDMI 1.4 from the PS3 to the amp and then another 1.4 to the projector?





Or Just run the 1.4 HDMI cord to the Projector, and just a Fiber Optic line to the avr?

Or, worst case scenario would be to buy another AVR?

I am getting a 3D TV on Monday. I have a 1910 and a PS3. Would I need to follow this same set up as well, HDMI from PS3 to TV, then Optical from PS3 to 1910 for 3D playback? Does it matter if the HDMI is 1.3 or 1.4?

I would also like to thank Batpig for his work, I haven't been around this thread in a while because his guide was so useful a couple years ago I haven't needed any assistance since. Now that I have a 3D question about my AVR I knew where to go to find an answer.
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post #9029 of 9206
6/2/12 at 4:17am
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Yes, follow same setup ... PS3 (HDMI) ---> TV and PS3 (optical) ---> AVR. And no, doesn't matter whether you use a HDMI 1.3 or HDMI 1.4 cable as long as the cable is rated "High Speed" (ie. passes 1080p video).
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post #9030 of 9206
6/2/12 at 5:32am
Thanks jdsmoothie.
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