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post #1501 of 1760
Is there ANY channel worse than TCM-HD ? (technical, not programming)

- 3 years of hogging HD bandwidth and delivering nothing.
- No commitment whatsoever to HDTV quality.


So is there ANY other channel that has squatted this long
on the HD dial without delivering a SINGLE HDTV PROGRAM?

The "race to the bottom" contest is now officially open.

I really can't think of anyone worse.


Meanwhile...
==========

Yesterday, DirecTV announced that it expects to offer 4K
content by 2016, and by that time all of their channels will be HDTV.

DirecTV commits to Ultra-HDTV


No doubt, TCM-ULTRAHD4K will debut shortly thereafter
and will commence offering up-converted SDTV
for another few decades.


Steve
post #1502 of 1760
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Originally Posted by swSteve View Post

Is there ANY channel worse than TCM-HD ? (technical, not programming)
- 3 years of hogging HD bandwidth and delivering nothing.
- No commitment whatsoever to HDTV quality.
So is there ANY other channel that has squatted this long
on the HD dial without delivering a SINGLE HDTV PROGRAM?
The "race to the bottom" contest is now officially open.
I really can't think of anyone worse.
Steve

I must totally disagree. TCM has had some beautiful HD presentations. Unlike other HD channels that do not air anything but newer transfers TCM has its share of older and unremastered titles to deal with but that's a supplier problem. In any event the channel looks far better than the SD feed that was only available from Directv until recently.
post #1503 of 1760
You are absolutely correct! The PQ is much better than it was before and I watch it a lot.
post #1504 of 1760
Some of their transfers are of very high quality, and obviously from high-definition scans. Strangely, lots of the ones I have noticed are from quite old British films.
post #1505 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

Some of their transfers are of very high quality, and obviously from high-definition scans. Strangely, lots of the ones I have noticed are from quite old British films.

Yes I noticed that the other night. Some were British Warner Bros. releases. Yesterday morning they aired a beautiful transfer of "Island of Love" in scope.
post #1506 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

Some of their transfers are of very high quality, and obviously from high-definition scans. Strangely, lots of the ones I have noticed are from quite old British films.

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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

Yes I noticed that the other night. Some were British Warner Bros. releases. Yesterday morning they aired a beautiful transfer of "Island of Love" in scope.

The high quality of the transfers they use for their SD transmissions and their consistent use of OAR are two of the things that have so frustrated over TCM's failure to show HD versions of its films on its HD channel. To make my frustration even more acute, TCM's library of wonderful old films is not only unmatched it isn't even approached in either size or quality anywhere else on television.
post #1507 of 1760
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The high quality of the transfers they use for their SD transmissions and their consistent use of OAR are two of the things that have so frustrated over TCM's failure to show HD versions of its films on its HD channel. To make my frustration even more acute, TCM's library of wonderful old films is not only unmatched it isn't even approached in either size or quality anywhere else on television.

But they do show HD versions when available. There's no comparison to how the SD feed looked vs. the HD feed.
post #1508 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

But they do show HD versions when available. There's no comparison to how the SD feed looked vs. the HD feed.
No, unless something has changed in the last few weeks, TCM-HD has yet to broadcast an actual HD transfer of a film, they are all SD upconverts, very good ones, but still SD.
post #1509 of 1760
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

No, unless something has changed in the last few weeks, TCM-HD has yet to broadcast an actual HD transfer of a film, they are all SD upconverts, very good ones, but still SD.

Can we all agree that whatever is on that HD feed looks ten times better than the SD feed, and that, regardless of being SD or HD, they will still be showing a lot of titles that have not been remastered in years? I just couldn't agree with the OP saying it's the worst feed out there.
post #1510 of 1760
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

No, unless something has changed in the last few weeks, TCM-HD has yet to broadcast an actual HD transfer of a film, they are all SD upconverts, very good ones, but still SD.

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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

Can we all agree that whatever is on that HD feed looks ten times better than the SD feed, and that, regardless of being SD or HD, they will still be showing a lot of titles that have not been remastered in years? I just couldn't agree with the OP saying it's the worst feed out there.

Upconverted SD transmitted on an HD channel does indeed look better that the same SD programming transmitted on an SD channel. Unfortunately, though, an upconverted SD transmission is still SD and looks dramatically worse that real HD -- not that we have ever been able to make that comparison on TCM HD.wink.gif
post #1511 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

No, unless something has changed in the last few weeks, TCM-HD has yet to broadcast an actual HD transfer of a film, they are all SD upconverts, very good ones, but still SD.

Can we all agree that whatever is on that HD feed looks ten times better than the SD feed, and that, regardless of being SD or HD, they will still be showing a lot of titles that have not been remastered in years? I just couldn't agree with the OP saying it's the worst feed out there.

Well I can agree with you on this. I can add that as far as I know, no other channel has EVER shown as much respect to its product (in this case, classic movies) as TCM.
post #1512 of 1760
I don't understand the technical side of it, but the accepted wisdom at dbstalk is that when they use an HD source, they still downconvert it to SD, then upconvert for HD broadcast.

My problem with them is the variability of PQ - none of it is HD quality, but the best of it is as pleasing to the eye, or even more so, than a bad HD broadcast of HD material. In other words, not bad for SD, but you never know what you'll get. Many that I record are horrible, and in the same way - very soft.

Their reasoning for no HD is a mystery, but maybe it's like my watch. I have a Citizen Exceed, a line not offered in the U.S. because I believe, Citizen doesn't think accuracy (guaranteed 10 seconds a year - 5 for the battery model) in a time piece is a marketable quality in the U.S.
post #1513 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

But they do show HD versions when available. There's no comparison to how the SD feed looked vs. the HD feed.

There has NEVER been a second of HD broadcast on this channel. With that said, I agree that the "HD" channel is superior to the SD version.
post #1514 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Gary16 View Post

I just couldn't agree with the OP saying it's the worst feed out there.

That's not what he's saying at all. What he is really asking is if there are any other "HD" channels out there that have never broadcast anything in HD for as long as TCM has. He believes that they are the worst offender of not broadcasting HD on their HD channel. He's probably right.
post #1515 of 1760
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

I don't understand the technical side of it, but the accepted wisdom at dbstalk is that when they use an HD source, they still downconvert it to SD, then upconvert for HD broadcast.

This would be correct.
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Their reasoning for no HD is a mystery

Has TCM ever given a reason for no HD in the nearly 3.5 years the channel has been in existence? I've never heard of them ever mentioning one. As a matter of fact, if you go to their website, there is no mention of HD anywhere. It's like it doesn't even exist to them.
post #1516 of 1760
Absolutely correct, bruin95.

HD does NOT exist in their strange little insular world.


How about a good joke?

======================================================================

CULVER CITY, CALIF. (July 18, 2012) –
Widely considered one of the greatest and most influential films in the history of cinema,
David Lean’s masterpiece Lawrence of Arabia returns to the big screen 50 years
after its 1962 premiere in a 4K digitally-restored version of the Director’s Cut.

Following its international debut at Festival Du Cannes this past May, Lawrence of Arabia
will screen nationwide in a digital-only theatrical event in theaters starting October 4th. THAT'S TODAY.

The film will be available in a Blu-ray™ 3-disc collectible boxed set starting
November 13th from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment.

And now the punch line:

Additionally, the film will be featured for one night only on Turner Classic Movies,
November 16th at 8:00PM in a television exclusive.


======================================================================

So get ready to enjoy this new 4K transfer
in the format pioneered by TCM-HD...

Standard Augmented Definition (SAD for short)


Steve
post #1517 of 1760
Too bad, I was going to go out and get a 4K TV just for that movie but now I'll wait.
post #1518 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

This Summer, Time Warner Cable gave us a week or so of all of the Showtime and The Movie Channel offerings. When the free sample ended, all of the channels disappeared except for two. Showtime (primary channel) and TMC Xtra remained. I can't understand why, but they have not been taken away even months later. Does anyone else on TWC have this situation?
One thing is for certain, even if the two channels disappeared tomorrow, I have seen enough of them to know that it would be difficult to spend even one dollar a month to recover them. It is rare indeed when I find something on them that I end up watching.

Was it your intention to post this in this thread, or was it a mistake? I'm curious since this has nothing to do with TCM.
post #1519 of 1760
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Originally Posted by bruin95 View Post

Was it your intention to post this in this thread, or was it a mistake? I'm curious since this has nothing to do with TCM.

My mistake. Sorry.
post #1520 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

Some of their transfers are of very high quality, and obviously from high-definition scans. Strangely, lots of the ones I have noticed are from quite old British films.

"Murder at the Gallop" ('63) and some others in the Miss Marple series looked terrific (for SD).
post #1521 of 1760
Welp... I predict, quite regrettably, that when TCM does make the switch to HD, they'll ruin it with a 24/7 channel bug [much like Urga's HD TCM channel.] mad.gif
post #1522 of 1760
Hello ,

" Jaw " Restored version .


TCM HD/Kuro :

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post #1523 of 1760
^ Which aforementioned bug is thankfully out of the picture area on that particular presentation. smile.gif
post #1524 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

^ Which aforementioned bug is thankfully out of the picture area on that particular presentation. smile.gif
Yeah, but there's no need to leave it on and it's even more distracting being 1) in the black area where it's more visible and 2) at the top right instead of lower right where it's up near people's faces and eyes and 3) at an angle where it looks odd. Can we spring for a level for the graphics guy?

Up where it is, I keep wanting to yell, "look out - something's coming in to bite you - and it's not the shark..."
post #1525 of 1760
That's right, Urga.Twist the knife biggrin.gif
post #1526 of 1760
What a great picture! Has anyone seen as good on any television set in the United States? Ever?
post #1527 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

What a great picture! Has anyone seen as good on any television set in the United States? Ever?
Yes the restored HD of TCM HD Fr. masters are excellent qualities ...
post #1528 of 1760
I actually like the HD (SD upconvert) quality for most of the TCMHD films.

Its waaaay better that TCM (SD) on Directv.
post #1529 of 1760
I really would like to know if anyone has seen HD quality as good in this country, EVER?????? Doesn't it make you wonder?
post #1530 of 1760
I'm sure I have seen as good, many times. I jumped onboard with HD in '99, and NYC OTA HD looked absolutely magnificent on my JVC D-ILA and that's just one early example.
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