or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Turner Classic Movies (TCM) in HDTV!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Turner Classic Movies (TCM) in HDTV! - Page 53

post #1561 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Just Speculating -but, TCMHD is still doing SD content based on its precieved Viewing Demographic.
Translation: Turner Classic Movies executives believe that mainly older people watch TCM.
They believe that the older persons majority still have older CRT SD Televisions and have not upgraded to HD.
Not my beliefs, yet the TCM suits also think that the TNTHD and TBSHD cover the Younger (HD) Demographic.
Evidence: the Seinfeld and Friends HD upgades.

Ok, but then why bother even sending out an HD signal? I know it improves PQ, especially on DBS that are cramming in a ton of SD channels in MPEG-2 on 1 transponder. But, how many people who still watch on a CRT SD television have it being fed by an HD box, and how many of those care, or would even notice the difference in PQ?

It's like they went halfway and just called it a day, years ago.

I'm curious if anyone knows, roughly what would the cost be to upgrade their facility to play pre-recorded HD only. I understand the cost to upgrade studio's and live events can add up, but I can't imagine it being that much just to play something that already has an HD master. Probably much much less than what it cost just for TNT to air the NBA in HD. If the local FOX affiliate here in Albuquerque NM can afford to send out an HD newscast, I can't imagine it being more than chump-change for one of the largest media conglomerates in the world to properly show an HD movie.
post #1562 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

Ok, but then why bother even sending out an HD signal? I know it improves PQ, especially on DBS that are cramming in a ton of SD channels in MPEG-2 on 1 transponder. But, how many people who still watch on a CRT SD television have it being fed by an HD box, and how many of those care, or would even notice the difference in PQ?
It's like they went halfway and just called it a day, years ago.
I'm curious if anyone knows, roughly what would the cost be to upgrade their facility to play pre-recorded HD only. I understand the cost to upgrade studio's and live events can add up, but I can't imagine it being that much just to play something that already has an HD master. Probably much much less than what it cost just for TNT to air the NBA in HD. If the local FOX affiliate here in Albuquerque NM can afford to send out an HD newscast, I can't imagine it being more than chump-change for one of the largest media conglomerates in the world to properly show an HD movie.

My suspicion is that the signal sent to France originates from the same facility as the US signal.
post #1563 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by d3193 View Post

Although there might be rights costs involved in using HD versions of some films - and as you say WB/Turner itself controls a vast library of movies, many available in HD transfers - the main reason for lack of HD on this channel is the cost of upgrading the facility.
Source for your information?

There can't be much to upgrade.

The have HD transfers and the means to play them back in HD. They also send out an upconverted HD signal. At some point in the chain, they downconvert the HD source to SD, then uprez it back to HD. They essentially have the entire chain ready to go aside from one small area.

If it were cost, they wouldn't have created the HD transfer they did for some of the films they air and they certainly wouldn't have bothered with the expense of sending out an HD signal and the bandwidth it requires.

Cost is a factor, but it's not the cost of the hardware. That cost is much lower than even the three years ago when they started sown this path.

I still say it's a rights issue and the downconvert and upconvert process is a way to get around not actually airing HD transfers while still having an "HD" channel.
post #1564 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

Ok, but then why bother even sending out an HD signal? I know it improves PQ, especially on DBS that are cramming in a ton of SD channels in MPEG-2 on 1 transponder. But, how many people who still watch on a CRT SD television have it being fed by an HD box, and how many of those care, or would even notice the difference in PQ?
One reason may be that their upconverted SD looks pretty good. It's not as good as HD, and I really hope that we see HD content soon, but it's good enough to fool some of their viewers. Maybe even most.

Consider how many in an enthusiast forum like this think that they're actually getting HD. The average viewer out there with a 42" HDTV probably thinks they're really seeing these movies in HD.

Scott
post #1565 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

One reason may be that their upconverted SD looks pretty good. It's not as good as HD, and I really hope that we see HD content soon, but it's good enough to fool some of their viewers. Maybe even most.
Consider how many in an enthusiast forum like this think that they're actually getting HD. The average viewer out there with a 42" HDTV probably thinks they're really seeing these movies in HD.
Scott

You nailed it!
post #1566 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Source for your information?
There can't be much to upgrade.
The have HD transfers and the means to play them back in HD. They also send out an upconverted HD signal. At some point in the chain, they downconvert the HD source to SD, then uprez it back to HD. They essentially have the entire chain ready to go aside from one small area.
If it were cost, they wouldn't have created the HD transfer they did for some of the films they air and they certainly wouldn't have bothered with the expense of sending out an HD signal and the bandwidth it requires.
Cost is a factor, but it's not the cost of the hardware. That cost is much lower than even the three years ago when they started sown this path.
I still say it's a rights issue and the downconvert and upconvert process is a way to get around not actually airing HD transfers while still having an "HD" channel.

You are correct. They have HD masters for much of their material. And I believe the policy now is for new transfers to be at HD quality (a while back, during another budget crunch, this was not the case).
Like you I would think the cost of buying and installing the hardware required is not huge, but it is real money and budgets are under stress. I think Scott is right when he says that most people don't care or even perceive the difference, as shown by many posts here at AVS, so there's not a huge amount of pressure to take that final step.
I am not just speculating, but I hope you understand that I cannot give my source. The info I have may be incorrect, and others here may know more. I'm just trying to be helpful.
post #1567 of 1760
So did anyone bother to tune in to
TCM-HD's fuzzed-down presentation
of Lawrence of Arabia 4K?

The cinema 4K release in theaters was outstanding.

Steve
post #1568 of 1760
Did you post anything about it before it aired?
post #1569 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by swSteve View Post

So did anyone bother to tune in to
TCM-HD's fuzzed-down presentation
of Lawrence of Arabia 4K?
The cinema 4K release in theaters was outstanding.
Steve

Unfortunately....yes.

It looked.......terrible.
post #1570 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by whotony View Post

Did you post anything about it before it aired?


They may not have had access to the new transfer. That's true with new transfers done by Warner Bros.
post #1571 of 1760
TCM-HD doesn't air HD transfers anyway, it's all SD.
post #1572 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan View Post

TCM-HD doesn't air HD transfers anyway, it's all SD.
As far as I know, they do air HD transfers - they just downconvert them to SD in the chain only to upconvert them before sending them out to the audience.

What nobody seems to know is exactly why.
post #1573 of 1760
I can tell the difference between TCM's down/upconversions and real HD since DirecTV finally got TCM "HD". It's better than the old SD feed but still not good enough. My question is why they can do real HD for France and not for the US--very frustrating.
post #1574 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

As far as I know, they do air HD transfers - they just downconvert them to SD in the chain only to upconvert them before sending them out to the audience.

Sorry, that's what I meant, the actual source for transmission is a down-conversion from what ever source they may have, HD or otherwise.
post #1575 of 1760
Hello ,

" Lawrance Of Arabia " restored HD version 11/22 :


http://tcmcinema.fr/films/fiche/lawrence-of-arabia-1962_4455/

cool.gif
post #1576 of 1760
I had save the movie on hard drive and make the photos soon... wink.gif
post #1577 of 1760
Exclusive "David Lean" new HDTV:

http://tcmcinema.fr/2012/09/06/tout-david-lean/

cool.gif
post #1578 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urga View Post

Hello ,
" Lawrance Of Arabia " restored HD version 11/22 :

http://tcmcinema.fr/films/fiche/lawrence-of-arabia-1962_4455/
cool.gif

I received my 1080P, DTS-HD MA 5.1 bluray in the mail the other day. It's looks and sounds incredible. It cost me $20 at Amazon. Takes up zero HD space... wink.gif
post #1579 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan View Post

TCM-HD doesn't air HD transfers anyway, it's all SD.
As far as I know, they do air HD transfers - they just downconvert them to SD in the chain only to upconvert them before sending them out to the audience.

What nobody seems to know is exactly why.
That's bizarre. The main reason I like TCM is for the content, but it would be nice if they showed HD movies in HD.
post #1580 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by swSteve View Post

So did anyone bother to tune in to
TCM-HD's fuzzed-down presentation
of Lawrence of Arabia 4K?


I watched it for about 1 minute, as I was curious to see how poor it would look compared to the wonderful blu-ray. The TCM broadcast looked very bad.
post #1581 of 1760
Quickly just a picture of " Lawrence of Arabia "on TCM HD:

p1190656_1.jpg
p1190655_3.jpg
wink.gif
post #1582 of 1760
Breathtaking is the best master HD seen to date on TCM HD :


p1190658.jpg
p1190659_1.jpg
p1190660.jpg
p1190661_1.jpg
p1190662.jpg

wink.gif
post #1583 of 1760
p1190663_1.jpg
p1190666.jpg
p1190667_1.jpg

:inlove:
post #1584 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urga View Post

p1190663_1.jpg
p1190666.jpg
p1190667_1.jpg
:inlove:


Better not view the new Blu-Ray (real HD) disc then. It's a stunner!
post #1585 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Better not view the new Blu-Ray (real HD) disc then. It's a stunner!

That is HD. Those shots are from TCM France.
post #1586 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruin95 View Post

That is HD. Those shots are from TCM France.

A good reason to move to France. (Juliette Valduriez is yet another!)
post #1587 of 1760
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruin95 View Post

That is HD. Those shots are from TCM France.
Hello ,
Saw the movie in full channel TCM HD has set the bar very high for present us this movie in HD Director's cut, "Lawrence of Arabia" HD is fabulous, almost any fault on the image on the 216 mn...
On the closing credits: 2012 4 K restoration...
The great art on HDTV... eek.gif
post #1588 of 1760
Every time I get to thinking that the picture on my tv is pretty damn good, Urga comes up with more evidence that French television is far better picture quality than ANYTHING we see in the United States. This does not pertain to just TCM, I mean the picture quality is not comparable on any channel.
post #1589 of 1760

I don't think there's anything especially spectacular about it, HD-wise. You probably just got into the game here later, after HD had already started being watered-down.

 

In the early days here, it was often better than that.

post #1590 of 1760
Maybe the situation is like French food--quality is great but portions are small--i.e. French TV is great pq but far fewer channels?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: HDTV Programming
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Turner Classic Movies (TCM) in HDTV!