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post #1591 of 1760
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

I received my 1080P, DTS-HD MA 5.1 bluray in the mail the other day. It's looks and sounds incredible. It cost me $20 at Amazon. Takes up zero HD space... wink.gif

Glad to hear that the remastered Lawrence of Arabia BD is so good. Amazon shipped my copy over the weekend so I should get it later this week. As you said, the Amazon price was right.smile.gif
post #1592 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

I don't think there's anything especially spectacular about it, HD-wise. You probably just got into the game here later, after HD had already started being watered-down.

In the early days here, it was often better than that.

I got into the game early in 2004 and viewed it, first, a couple of years before. I have never seen anything as good as what Urga is showing us. When you say in the early days here, it was often better than that, I would have to ask in what way was it "better than that?"
post #1593 of 1760
TCM showed a newer print of George Pal's version of The Time Machine last night, and if it's any indication of what it will look like in high definition then it's really bad news. Everything is brown.
post #1594 of 1760
" Zulu " ( 1964 ) master HD Paramount :





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post #1595 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

Quickly just a picture of " Lawrence of Arabia "on TCM HD:
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Originally Posted by bruin95 View Post

That is HD. Those shots are from TCM France.

Those were some spectacular shots. I was channel surfing over the weekend and saw this via Dish and it was terrible. Consider yourself lucky.
post #1596 of 1760
I would like to know the reason for the quality difference between American and European television. It goes way beyond more channels (spectrum and band useage) on the American system. The pictures that Urba sends are the closest thing you will ever see to being perfect. I have to get the images out of my memory prior to looking at television here.
post #1597 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I would like to know the reason for the quality difference between American and European television. It goes way beyond more channels (spectrum and band useage) on the American system. The pictures that Urba sends are the closest thing you will ever see to being perfect. I have to get the images out of my memory prior to looking at television here.

I think its because, in general, in Europe, the channel is sent out as a relatively high rate h.264 stream, and then passed on to the consumer as is. In the US most channels are now distributed in h.264 as well, in very good quality. But then either the cable-co or network affiliate get their grubby hands on it and transcode it to MPEG-2. Both DBS companies (Dish and Direct) use h.264, but they cram in a whole bunch of channels into each transponder. I know Dish is 8 or 9 channels per 40mbps transponder, which just doesn't cut it.
post #1598 of 1760
I was channel surfing last night and saw ‘Lawrence’ on the Sony Movie Channel. It was much better than what I saw on TCM the other night. While better, it was still not in the same league as the French version, but way better than TCM. At least it was watchable, whereas TCM was not.
post #1599 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

I was channel surfing last night and saw ‘Lawrence’ on the Sony Movie Channel. It was much better than what I saw on TCM the other night. While better, it was still not in the same league as the French version, but way better than TCM. At least it was watchable, whereas TCM was not.

I watched my BD of the remastered version of Lawrence earlier this week and was blown away. It is filled with startlingly beautiful images and has become my demonstration BD for great PQ. It's a shame that such a wonderful transfer is being wasted on watered down HD or, in the case of TCM in the US, upconverted SD.
post #1600 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I would like to know the reason for the quality difference between American and European television. It goes way beyond more channels (spectrum and band useage) on the American system. The pictures that Urba sends are the closest thing you will ever see to being perfect. I have to get the images out of my memory prior to looking at television here.
TCM HD fr. :

Mpeg4 , 1920x1080i 75Hz , 16,4 Mbits/s , Pal RGB 16-235 ...wink.gif
post #1601 of 1760
Next movie to see in HD " Jason and the Argonauts " :

http://tcmcinema.fr/films/fiche/jason-and-the-argonauts-1963_4655/

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post #1602 of 1760
Urga, I just had a thought! How about showing some pictures of non-TCM programming? Perhaps, something we might recognize from American programming.
post #1603 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

Urga, I just had a thought! How about showing some pictures of non-TCM programming? Perhaps, something we might recognize from American programming.
Hello ,
The programming is not the same in the US...
" Dave Bowman TCM HD " TCM HD free said it was presented a lot of copies of ancient native HD movies...
Edited by Urga - 12/20/12 at 12:32am
post #1604 of 1760
Is TCM the only thing in your programming that, also, appears in the U.S.? I'm just looking for something that we would recognize other than TCM.
post #1605 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

I was channel surfing last night and saw ‘Lawrence’ on the Sony Movie Channel. It was much better than what I saw on TCM the other night. While better, it was still not in the same league as the French version, but way better than TCM. At least it was watchable, whereas TCM was not.

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post #1606 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

Is TCM the only thing in your programming that, also, appears in the U.S.? I'm just looking for something that we would recognize other than TCM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_France

Under "Nouveau CanalSat" I see ESPN, E!, Disney, Discovery, Nickelodeon, CNN, Cartoon Network, MTV and VH1. I imagine other, French only, channels play American imports.
post #1607 of 1760
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Originally Posted by lobosrul View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_France
Under "Nouveau CanalSat" I see ESPN, E!, Disney, Discovery, Nickelodeon, CNN, Cartoon Network, MTV and VH1. I imagine other, French only, channels play American imports.
Hello ,
Csat also on :

13éme Rue HD , SyFy HD ... wink.gif
post #1608 of 1760
Found this:

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-59-Other-French-TVs.htm

apparently the French used an 819 line BW system in the early 50s and experimented with 819 line color in the 60s!
post #1609 of 1760
819 lines VHF it was for black and white, passage of color in 1967 in 625 lines UHF Secam for the France analogue herzien... wink.gif
post #1610 of 1760
First black and white TV (Grammont) of my father in 1957 which was vendor/repairer in my village:



http://www.earlytelevision.org/grammont.html

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Edited by Urga - 12/23/12 at 2:32am
post #1611 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I would like to know the reason for the quality difference between American and European television.

 

Why do think there's a quality difference?

post #1612 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

Why do think there's a quality difference?

Well, maybe because there is, and has been well before HDTV....
post #1613 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

I got into the game early in 2004 and viewed it, first, a couple of years before. I have never seen anything as good as what Urga is showing us. When you say in the early days here, it was often better than that, I would have to ask in what way was it "better than that?"

Yeah, I think if you tell people those shots are of the BD, they would say that's a great looking BD.

There could be better PQ, but you'd have to see it live. From a photo, that is as good as it gets.
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post #1615 of 1760
What a great tv system to produce pictures like this. A lot of American techies would be very discouraged to see how far away they are from having a truly excellent tv picture. The American television system is just not capable of producing this kind of picture quality, no matter how much money or effort is expended by any individual toward this end.
post #1616 of 1760

Then, do describe to us your excursions to France [or anywhere in Europe] and your television picture quality _viewing_ impressions?
 

post #1617 of 1760

So where are the Harryhausen shots?

post #1618 of 1760
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"Then, do describe to us your excursions to France [or anywhere in Europe] and your television picture quality _viewing_ impressions?"


I am unable to do that. I must rely upon Urga's pictures.
post #1619 of 1760
Hello ,

" Lawrence d'Arabia " :

Master TCM HD :



Master Blu Ray Sony S790 :



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post #1620 of 1760

Hey Urga, let's see a screenshot of your standard, residential satellite dish installation!   smile.gif
 


Edited by Solfan - 12/26/12 at 5:49pm
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