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post #1651 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post


Same as above, with just a little  [Picasa]  tweaking.:

1000

I still see WAY more detail in Urga's picture than that one.
post #1652 of 1760
FWIW I'm watching "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" on TCMHD right now and it looks GREAT! smile.gif
post #1653 of 1760
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

FWIW I'm watching "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" on TCMHD right now and it looks GREAT! smile.gif
It should be duly a Cycle on TCM HD France with his two accomplices of the burlesque...
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I think someone should create a Burlesque&Slapstick-HD CHANNELbiggrin.gif

 

Mark Cuban, are you listening? 
 

post #1655 of 1760
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

FWIW I'm watching "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" on TCMHD right now and it looks GREAT! smile.gif

The film has an HD master, so that's what TCM is probably using. Makes a big difference when upconverting.
post #1656 of 1760
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

It's already started, but it will only mean that carriers will be able to squeeze even more channels into the same chunk of bandwidth with no appreciable increase in picture quality.
I think Dish is squeezing 9 channels per 40mb transponder? That's a long ways from what Urga is getting with a "Mpeg4 , 1920x1080i 75Hz , 16,4 Mbits/s , Pal RGB 16-235" stream. Dish uses maybe a third of that bandwidth, and if I'm not mistaken, they only send 1440x1080i as the top resolution.

In the US, channels just proliferate like bacteria. The content providers want to spread out their programs across as many channels as possible covering as many niches as they can. So you have HBO, HBO 2, HBO kids, HBO Latino, redneck HBO, etc. The viewers love their "choices", no matter that it's the same crap spread around. Obscure, useless channels nobody watches are packaged together with the popular, established channels so the satellite/cable companies are forced to carry them all. Of course the satellite/cable companies are only too happy to pad their channel count and to assure the customers they carry everything under the sun. Nobody outside a tiny minority cares about high picture quality. Most are happy if they can find something to watch among the 800 channels. The FCC, the regulatory body, is mainly concerned with making sure no one sees a nipple on the airways.

At the same time, the US now produces many astoundingly good scripted TV shows. But if you want to see them looking as they're intended to, you need to wait for the bluray release.
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post #1658 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

I think someone should create a Burlesque&Slapstick-HD CHANNELbiggrin.gif

Mark Cuban, are you listening? 

 



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post #1659 of 1760
I just peeked in on the two best prints I have ever seen of Little Caesar and The Public Enemy (particularly Little Caesar, which had a beautiful range of tonality, unlike any print of it I had ever seen before- previous prints were just a light gray).

TCM seems to be showing all-Warners for the next four days or more (at least through 2/4/2013). It would be interesting to see if they have nice new prints of their classic stuff from the thirties and forties.
post #1660 of 1760
TCMHD is looking above average with these Warner Bros. Movies. cool.gif
post #1661 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Solfan View Post

I think someone should create a Burlesque&Slapstick-HD CHANNELbiggrin.gif

Mark Cuban, are you listening? 

 
Yes!
post #1662 of 1760
Last night, I noticed that Casablanca was listed as being in HD on my TiVo program guide, though no program anywhere else on TCM HD was listed as HD. Picture quality was excellent, but I couldn't really tell if it was actually HD. Probably not.
post #1663 of 1760
Most of this thread is dedicated to "is it/isn't it," and the consensus is that it is not.

Still, there have been some really excellent prints in evidence the last several years. Mildred Pierce looked uncommonly excellent last night, and I think Rebel Without a Cause may have been a new transfer this afternoon. Ditto Mister Roberts.
post #1664 of 1760
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Originally Posted by machpost View Post

Last night, I noticed that Casablanca was listed as being in HD on my TiVo program guide, though no program anywhere else on TCM HD was listed as HD. Picture quality was excellent, but I couldn't really tell if it was actually HD. Probably not.

I wish I had seen Casablanca on my 60'' screen when they broadcast it. I was able to see one of Turner Classic Movies special broadcast of Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen. I have seen Casablanca at least a dozen times before I saw it on this movie screen. I had never been so involved in that movie before until that night. It made me want to go out and buy the biggest screen and projection system I could find that I could install in my own home. The black and white picture was impeccable.

I have seen other black and white broadcast on TCM HD and so far I can say it has been only High SD quality. I haven't seen anything that would tell me its true HD. But if they ever go true HD on this channel, it probably will make me fall in love with these old movies all over again. Just like I did when I saw Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen in glorious projected film quality.

If you have a chance to see any of these special showings TCM does in your local movie house, don't hesitate to go see it. So far, I have seen Singing in the Rain, Frankenstein, Son of Frankenstein, and, of course, Casablanca. They all had the same affect on me. Fantastic!
post #1665 of 1760
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Originally Posted by MeCurious View Post

I wish I had seen Casablanca on my 60'' screen when they broadcast it. I was able to see one of Turner Classic Movies special broadcast of Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen. I have seen Casablanca at least a dozen times before I saw it on this movie screen. I had never been so involved in that movie before until that night. It made me want to go out and buy the biggest screen and projection system I could find that I could install in my own home. The black and white picture was impeccable.

I have seen other black and white broadcast on TCM HD and so far I can say it has been only High SD quality. I haven't seen anything that would tell me its true HD. But if they ever go true HD on this channel, it probably will make me fall in love with these old movies all over again. Just like I did when I saw Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen in glorious projected film quality.

If you have a chance to see any of these special showings TCM does in your local movie house, don't hesitate to go see it. So far, I have seen Singing in the Rain, Frankenstein, Son of Frankenstein, and, of course, Casablanca. They all had the same affect on me. Fantastic!

You can get the Casablanca BluRay for $11.50 and watch it to your heart's desire on your 60" screen and it will look better than anything TCM will give you on that TV....

http://www.amazon.com/Casablanca-Anniversary-Blu-ray-Humphrey-Bogart/dp/B007XF4J70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360021887&sr=8-1&keywords=casablanca+blu-ray
post #1666 of 1760
You could say that about any blu ray vs any HD channel, so that's not saying much.
post #1667 of 1760
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Originally Posted by MeCurious View Post

I wish I had seen Casablanca on my 60'' screen when they broadcast it. I was able to see one of Turner Classic Movies special broadcast of Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen. I have seen Casablanca at least a dozen times before I saw it on this movie screen. I had never been so involved in that movie before until that night. It made me want to go out and buy the biggest screen and projection system I could find that I could install in my own home. The black and white picture was impeccable.

I have seen other black and white broadcast on TCM HD and so far I can say it has been only High SD quality. I haven't seen anything that would tell me its true HD. But if they ever go true HD on this channel, it probably will make me fall in love with these old movies all over again. Just like I did when I saw Casablanca in my local theater on a 50 foot screen in glorious projected film quality.

If you have a chance to see any of these special showings TCM does in your local movie house, don't hesitate to go see it. So far, I have seen Singing in the Rain, Frankenstein, Son of Frankenstein, and, of course, Casablanca. They all had the same affect on me. Fantastic!

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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

You can get the Casablanca BluRay for $11.50 and watch it to your heart's desire on your 60" screen and it will look better than anything TCM will give you on that TV....

http://www.amazon.com/Casablanca-Anniversary-Blu-ray-Humphrey-Bogart/dp/B007XF4J70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360021887&sr=8-1&keywords=casablanca+blu-ray

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Originally Posted by StonesCat View Post

You could say that about any blu ray vs any HD channel, so that's not saying much.

Yeah, that's true but my point to this poster was that you don't need TCM to get a wonderful view of Casablanca for his 60" screen...
post #1668 of 1760
I know it is discussed in the thread but I never got to a definitive answer after reading through several pages, so maybe someone can just answer:

Why the narrow pillarboxes on widescreen (i.e. 1.85:1) material? I gather that these are probably upconverts but, still, why the windowboxing?

Thanks!



For example:




The Way We Were, today. Why is it windowboxed?

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Edited by sivadselim - 2/25/13 at 2:55pm
post #1669 of 1760
i noticed a very similar windowboxing effect when i recorded who framed roger rabbit this week. i thought perhaps its showing was tied into not only its oscar winnings but also its upcoming bluray release. this transfer clearly has nothing to do with the bluray release and i deleted the recording in favor of my dvd copy.

i think the windowboxing has to do with pixel mapping and overscan. i have my tv set to 1:1 as well as windows media center. take a look at the black border inside the window.

post #1670 of 1760
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post


i think the windowboxing has to do with pixel mapping and overscan. i have my tv set to 1:1 as well as windows media center. take a look at the black border inside the window.

I think it has more to do with the equipment at the TCM broadcast facility, rather than your TV settings.
post #1671 of 1760
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Originally Posted by machpost View Post

Last night, I noticed that Casablanca was listed as being in HD on my TiVo program guide, though no program anywhere else on TCM HD was listed as HD. Picture quality was excellent, but I couldn't really tell if it was actually HD. Probably not.

Very unlikely. I recorded it when it was on about a month ago. Here are the details of the mpeg stream from the Feb 2nd broadcast on Comcast in Pittsburgh.
Code:
Video
Format                         : MPEG Video
Format version                 : Version 2
Format profile                 : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP          : Yes
Format settings, Matrix        : Custom
Format settings, GOP           : M=3, N=45
Duration                       : 1h 46mn
Bit rate                       : 8 050 Kbps
Maximum bit rate               : 20.0 Mbps
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate                     : 29.970 fps
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Interlaced
Scan order                     : Top Field First
Compression mode               : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.130
Stream size                    : 5.96 GiB (100%)

As you can see the average bitrate is barely above 8Mbit. Thats DVD bandwidth territory.

I looked at a Lawrence of Arabia recording from TCM HD from April of last year and pulled this data
Code:
Video
Format                         : MPEG Video
Format version                 : Version 2
Format profile                 : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP          : Yes
Format settings, Matrix        : Default
Format settings, GOP           : Variable
Duration                       : 3h 45mn
Bit rate                       : 9 365 Kbps
Maximum bit rate               : 20.0 Mbps
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate                     : 29.970 fps
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Interlaced
Scan order                     : Top Field First
Compression mode               : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.151
Stream size                    : 14.8 GiB (100%)

post #1672 of 1760
TCM in NO way has the quality of HDNet Movies
post #1673 of 1760
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

TCM in NO way has the quality of HDNet Movies

You're comparing apples to oranges.
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post #1675 of 1760
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

http://www.tvpredictions.com/turner030313.htm
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"We have reasonable explanations for where we're at today," Gregor tells Variety. "(100 percent HD) will come. We're happy to move there when it makes sense from a product standpoint and a business standpoint...We have to work with the master that exists until (it's) eventually upgraded to HD status."

In other words, we're getting paid by the cable/sat providers for an HD channel even though we show nothing but SD, so heck, why should we bother going to the expense of getting HD versions?
post #1676 of 1760
TCM-HD is a low definition channel
pretending to be an HD channel

Their sole investment in HD was an up-converter no better
than those built into most TV sets.

Cable and satellite companies are being short-changed by this deception
and are wasting valuable bandwidth carrying this stinking mess.

Steve
post #1677 of 1760
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Originally Posted by swSteve View Post

TCM-HD is a low definition channel
pretending to be an HD channel

Their sole investment in HD was an up-converter no better
than those built into most TV sets.

Once upon a time this was very common with cable networks. Now, in 2013, it's rediculous. TCM is making themselves look cheap and uninterested.
post #1678 of 1760
Hello ,

" The Wizard of Oz "

http://tcmcinema.fr/films/fiche/the-wizard-of-oz-1939_852/

New HD version on TV in France ...
post #1679 of 1760
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Originally Posted by DB2 View Post

Once upon a time this was very common with cable networks. Now, in 2013, it's rediculous. TCM is making themselves look cheap and uninterested.
They actually look very smart in a business sense as they're getting all those subscriber fees for an HD channel while showing nothing but SD content, that's a pretty good scam.rolleyes.gif
post #1680 of 1760
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

They actually look very smart in a business sense as they're getting all those subscriber fees for an HD channel while showing nothing but SD content, that's a pretty good scam.rolleyes.gif
Yeah, but it's getting to the point where it's like a gas station claiming to sell you premium, but only pumping regular.

It's like going into the grocery store and seeing a bottle full of what looks like fruit juice - it even has grapes, apples and other fruit on the label. However, when you look closer, you notice it claims to be some ambiguous "juice drink". A peek at the ingredients shows it to contain water, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, MSG, "natural and artificial flavors, cow hooves, pig ears and about 2 tablespoons of apple and grape juice from concentrate.
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