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post #241 of 885
I tested UPnP server streaming by both TwonkyServer and TVersity with a selection of files:

1) 1080i50 AVC .TS, 8 mbps - DD 2.0 audio
2) 1080i50 AVC .TS, 19 mbps - DD 2.0 audio
3) 1080i50 MPEG2 .TS, 34 mbps - DD 2.0 audio
4) 1080i50 AVC .TS, 10 mbps - DD 5.1 audio
5) 640x352/25p XVID .AVI, 1 mbps / MP3 stereo audio 128kbps
6) 1280x688/24p AVC .MKV, 4.3 mbps / DD5.1 audio / internal ASS + UTF8 subs
7) 1440x1080p25 .MP4, 6 mbps / MP2 stereo audio
8) BD rip 1080p24 .M2TS/AVC, 21 mbps / DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio

PlayOn!HD was set for HDMI 1080p video and HDMI RAW audio output. TVersity was set for "transcode only when needed", minimum compression, quality over speed, wired 100mbps connection and max resolution of 1920x1080.

Files 1-4 streamed perfectly with their respective audio by both UPnP servers.

File 5
- TVersity: file plays without audio. When PlayOn!HD was switched from HDMI RAW audio output to HDMI PCM, the file played with audio.
- Twonky: audio is streamed as stereo PCM and the file plays OK with player set for HDMI RAW audio output.

File 6
- TVersity: video streams as downscaled to SD. There's no audio and no subtitles.
- Twonky: no problems with video, audio or either subs.

File 7
- TVersity: player reports "Invalid file!!".
- Twonky: the file plays, but at an odd frame rate. MediaInfo reports the file does in fact have a wonky frame rate, ranging from 25fps to 53fps. Audio plays at correct speed regardless.

File 8
- Both servers streamed the .M2TS file nicely and without stuttering. There was no audio, the reason being the DTS-HD MA track which PlayOn!HD is unable to decode, for the time being. This should be fixed in a future firmware update, I'm told.

TVersity appears to have serious problems with .MKV files. They are downscaled to SD resolution. According to Status window, TVersity is transcoding the AVC video stream into SD MPEG on-the-fly, thinking the player is a Nokia N800/810 Internet tablet.

I also attempted to set TVersity for "never transcode" but it insists on transcoding .MKV files.

TVersity's basic problem is the rather narrow selection of media players it can automatically recognize. The list of players appears to be limited to previous generation of devices, and the most powerful/recent players on the list are Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. I didn't notice any Sigma 8635 based players on the list, nor any others that can play .MKV files natively.

Update: Managed to stop TVersity from transcoding MKVs by stopping the service and manually killing all its processes in Task Manager, then restarting TVersity. Added a couple of 720p/DD5.1 MKVs to its library and they played perfectly, audio included. However, all the files and folders added before I set TVersity for "never transcode" are still being transcoded and downscaled to SD. Also, the streams from PBS and CNBC shown in the Guide (ones that don't require a Pro license) are nowhere to be found when browsing library with PlayOn!HD.

I also tried, for the first time, adding SHOUTcast and YouTube streams to TwonkyServer library. Both worked well on the PlayOn!HD.

Update 2: Tested a couple of transport streams (MPEG-2 1080i60 with DD5.1 audio) capped from US HDTV broadcasts. Experienced no problems with either UPnP server.

Update 3: Installed TwonkyServer in my new ReadyNAS Pro. (Remember to change SqueezeCenter port from 9000 to something else before installing Twonky or there will be trouble.) Copied the same BD rip to RN Pro and played it with PlayOn!HD. To my surprise, the amp lit up with regular DTS, when previously there was only silence.
post #242 of 885
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

Yeah... unfortunately I can't test those services as Hulu & co. won't stream to Finland. Anyhoo, I'm now installing tversity (wow, it's come a long way since I tried some of their early versions back in the day) and will see how it works with a variety of files.

Yes, I noticed it was pretty US-centric. I'm not a big fan of Hulu, myself, but I know many are. But hopefully they have some other sites of wider interest.
post #243 of 885
Wow, great test! Thanks for taking so much trouble. Interesting results. It would appear that Twonky is a much better all around choice at this point. I did not know YouTube would work with Twonky - so that's very good to know.

Maybe I'll look into Twonky instead. It sure seems robust!
post #244 of 885
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Originally Posted by bron View Post

Maybe I'll look into Twonky instead. It sure seems robust!

It's not perfect, but works pretty well in general and it's currently the best UPnP server I've tested. TVersity is very obviously still in beta. I lost count of how many times I had to forcibly shut it down and kill its hanging processes in task manager. Adding a folder with more than 20 video files in its library is asking for trouble; TVersity looks like it's processing the folder and adding files, but after an hour there's nothing new in the library. Adding files one at a time seems to work a lot better.
post #245 of 885
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

It's not perfect, but works pretty well in general and it's currently the best UPnP server I've tested. TVersity is very obviously still in beta. I lost count of how many times I had to forcibly shut it down and kill its hanging processes in task manager. Adding a folder with more than 20 video files in its library is asking for trouble; TVersity looks like it's processing the folder and adding files, but after an hour there's nothing new in the library. Adding files one at a time seems to work a lot better.

Thanks, my friend, and thanks again for all the trouble. I am crossing tversity off my list, and will go with Twonky for now. You've probably saved me a lot of grief and I appreciate it!

I took a quick look at Twonky and it looks pretty good. I am going to download the trial and take it for a spin as soon as I get my PlayON!HD. Or maybe sooner, since I see it will also work with my SoundBridge M1001 and Aluratek internet radios for streaming mp3's.

Regards!
post #246 of 885
You're welcome, bron. Glad I could help.
post #247 of 885
Well, I guess I'm the last one to pick up on this, but it looks like AC Ryan intends to add their own 'media portal' capabilities to the PlayOn!HD. They have a survery form on their site where you can submit the url's and your comemnts for sites you would like to see included. Here's the link:

http://www.acryan.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1214
post #248 of 885
Just got word that the new batch of PlayOn!HD's will be in country around 8/21 - hope to have mine soon! These things are hot! Was told they will be doing everything possible to speed deliveries. Of course, what else would they say.
post #249 of 885
I asked them about Netflix streaming thru their device. Have not heard back but I hope that could add it. I believe that they are not in a country that has netflix so that may be a big negative to that idea.

Are there any tv shows/stations that are free streaming on the net (good quality and legal that is) LOL
post #250 of 885
"theres a new firmware (v.7.0.6r1199) that support dts downmix that is already installed in the latest Playon!HD which are being shipped since yesterday to customers"
post #251 of 885
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

I asked them about Netflix streaming thru their device. Have not heard back but I hope that could add it. I believe that they are not in a country that has netflix so that may be a big negative to that idea.

Are there any tv shows/stations that are free streaming on the net (good quality and legal that is) LOL

Well, IMHO, the best Netflix streamer you can get is the Roku Netflix Player ($99) -- so you may want to look into that. Might be a longshot for the PlayOn!HD to get Netflix.

Yes, there are lots of web sites that stream TV shows (not live, though) and I'm sure they'll have plans for some in their media portal -- but that could be awhile off. Roku will soon be adding things like MediaFly, Blip.TV, MLB.TV, and others yet unnamed.

I have the Roku and love it. The PlayOn will round things out and coverall the bases so together I will never want for something to watch or listen to (I dropped cable TV once my ReplayTV's became obsolete). As they mature, there may be some overlap, but that does not concern me too much. The Roku has built-in wireless, so very portable. Roku only 720p, PlayOn 1080p, both will be useful for a long time.
post #252 of 885
yes I have a roku box and I find it a great player. Best $99 I ever spent.

But instead of 9 boxes I just want 1. Will move the roku into the bed room

Right now I have a tvix 4100 and its crap. Locks up after about 40 minutes of anything with internal drive. Works fine with usb external but that was not my intention. I spent a year with the seller, after that time they were convinced it was a faulty unit....oh yea toooooo badddd you didn't send it in during the warranty.....WTF
so I know what units and retailers I will not be buying from or recommending in the future.

I heard the ryan will be sold by a co in missouri....Hell I can drive that far LOL
post #253 of 885
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

yes I have a roku box and I find it a great player. Best $99 I ever spent.

But instead of 9 boxes I just want 1. Will move the roku into the bed room

Right now I have a tvix 4100 and its crap. Locks up after about 40 minutes of anything with internal drive. Works fine with usb external but that was not my intention. I spent a year with the seller, after that time they were convinced it was a faulty unit....oh yea toooooo badddd you didn't send it in during the warranty.....WTF
so I know what units and retailers I will not be buying from or recommending in the future.

I heard the ryan will be sold by a co in missouri....Hell I can drive that far LOL

I quite agree - best $99 here, too!

Yes, I placed my order with the company you are referring to (gizmodaddy) -- they seem like a nice (small) outfit. You get answers from real people, anyway. I will certainly report on my experience here after the fact.
post #254 of 885
Hello,

The extensive and excellent review from _http://www.mpcclub.com seems to hint that this streamer can read a blue-ray within its original folder structure, which means you can point to the BDMV folder and the streamer does the rest.
Now I would like to know if this is true and tested.
And I also want to know if it gives access to the menu allowing to browse and choose the audio track and the subtitle language.

Thanks
post #255 of 885
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Hello,

The extensive and excellent review from _http://www.mpcclub.com seems to hint that this streamer can read a blue-ray within its original folder structure, which means you can point to the BDMV folder and the streamer does the rest.

Not with the current firmware it can't. You can browse to bdmv/stream directory manually, then select the largest .m2ts manually (and it's better to check the correct one first by other, faster means) and POHD will play the file. However, it does not currently support embedded (PNG) subtitles, menus or HD Audio passthrough.
post #256 of 885
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

Not with the current firmware it can't. You can browse to bdmv/stream directory manually, then select the largest .m2ts manually (and it's better to check the correct one first by other, faster means) and POHD will play the file. However, it does not currently support embedded (PNG) subtitles, menus or HD Audio passthrough.

Well it was specified in the MPCCLUB review.
When you write "not in the current firmware" do you mean that you know, somehow, that this feature is coming soon?
post #257 of 885
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Well it was specified in the MPCCLUB review.

Well it was wrong.

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When you write "not in the current firmware" do you mean that you know, somehow, that this feature is coming soon?

I have been told by ACRyan's representative that they are working on Blu-ray support. He didn't specify if that meant support for ISO images or automatic playback when entering a Blu-ray directory.
post #258 of 885
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

Well it was wrong.


I have been told by ACRyan's representative that they are working on Blu-ray support. He didn't specify if that meant support for ISO images or automatic playback when entering a Blu-ray directory.

Ok. Good enough.
Thank you
post #259 of 885
For the convenience of those who don't madly scamper around all the forums looking for the latest info, here's a post made on the AC Ryan forums by a staff member regarding firmware specs.

This is the first time I have seen mention of the different versions of the Realtek chipset and it seems to imply that one supports DTS downmix and one does not. Maybe someone here, who knows more than I, can shed some light.

Anyway, here's the scoop:

Quote:


2009-08-21 Eugene - AC Ryan Staff

Just to clarify regarding our firmware version v7.06.r1199, this is the initial firmware version for the DTS downmix model which is based on the 1073DD chipset. There are no notable upgrades over the current downloadable v7.06.r1135 firmware version, except for adding in a "USB plugged in" message when a USB device is attached to the host ports, as well as adding in a Board info in the System Info to display the version of 1073 chipset used in the player.

All future firmwares will and can be used across earlier 1073DA chipset as well as the current 1073DD ones.

We are currently working on adding in Bluray PGS subtitles support, as well as adding in support for connecting to hidden wireless SSID routers and other small updates and improvements. We will launch this firmware as soon as possible while we are currently developing on a new firmware kit from Realtek.

I'll be back with more updates on what to expect from this new development kit we've recently received.

Update: AC Ryan says DTS Downmix will be supported in ALL PlayIn!HD players on their forum. (No mention of chip diffs so maybe not a factor.)
post #260 of 885
NEW FIRMWARE!!!!!!
http://www.acryan.com/downloads/Firmware_P...v7.06.r1402.zip

Version:
v7.0.6 r1402

Release:
2009-8-10


Firmware History
New Features / Improvements / Bug Fixes

Version v7.0.6 r1402
------------------------------------
What's new in this release

1) Add support for Bluray PGS subtitles support
2) Add message when USB host port is plugged in
3) Add highlighting of next music track in Music playback mode
4) Add hidden WIFI SSID support
5) Add subtitles position (up, down) and font size (left-decrease, right-increase)
6) Improved Internet Radio layout
7) Improved network connectivity after resuming from standby
post #261 of 885
Damm... they are fast!
post #262 of 885
Just read this

tversity is that the 'pro' version (only $30 USD) gives you streaming access to things like Hulu, BBC, NBC, Comedy Central, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and lots of other similar sites.


are you saying that the ryan will support this or you wish it did or ?
I did not know that any of the boxes now could access hulu or the other channels as a stand alone.

Yes I want this built into a player along with netflix instant play and everything else

I was wondering if anyone knew a site that list movies and tv that are free content and available on the internet.

bron did you get your unit yet?
post #263 of 885
I've got a question before I buy. Can this player read an external USB Hard Drive that is formatted in HFS+ (not journaled) with only 1 partition? I know that the WDTV and NMT devices do. I just want to make sure before I buy since I have a MAC and all my external Hard Drives are formatted to this since I can't write to NTFS at all unless I install some NTFS-3G application for OS X that isn't all that stable or FAT32 (for file sizes above 4GB). Does anyopne know?

Also, I have many files that are 720P at 23.976 fps that play fine on my WDTV and I have my set resolution set to 1080P 60HZ and they all play fine. I hear that there is some bug where 23.976 fps mkv (h.264) files have a problem and this is apparent in all the Realtek players (Xtreamer, AC Ryan, MVIX Ultio). Does anyone have information about this? Is it true? This would suck since I watch many TV shows and things that are encoded at 23.976 fps. If I set my player to display 1080P 60HZ and not at 1080P 24HZ will this not be a problem?
post #264 of 885
If i add an internal HD and an external DVD drive to this unit, will i be able to copy video files from the HD to the DVD and viceversa?
post #265 of 885
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Originally Posted by cc1995 View Post

HFS+

No idea, can't test either, sorry.

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I hear that there is some bug where 23.976 fps mkv (h.264) files have a problem and this is apparent in all the Realtek players (Xtreamer, AC Ryan, MVIX Ultio). Does anyone have information about this?

Yes, it's true. 24p playback works, but only with some (fairly rare) file formats. Not yet with MKV tho I'm confident Realtek can and will fix it soonish.

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If I set my player to display 1080P 60HZ and not at 1080P 24HZ will this not be a problem?

That's the way I watch 24p content on the POHD and playback looks fine.
post #266 of 885
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Originally Posted by mike50 View Post

If i add an internal HD and an external DVD drive to this unit, will i be able to copy video files from the HD to the DVD and viceversa?

I quite sure you can't write files to DVD with the POHD. Copying files from DVD to internal HDD... I'll have to try that out.
post #267 of 885
I know you can watch 24p on PGH with TB set to display 1080P 60HZ but can you bypass the problem in the Realtek players not playing 24p content correctly with TV set to 1080P 60HZ. Will this allow the realtek players to display the file correctly with no stuttering problems? Do I just set to 1080P 60HZ and the Playon HD will play the 23.976 fps file correctly?

Thanks for the response pteittinen.
post #268 of 885
Quote:
Originally Posted by etrin View Post

Just read this

tversity is that the 'pro' version (only $30 USD) gives you streaming access to things like Hulu, BBC, NBC, Comedy Central, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and lots of other similar sites.

are you saying that the ryan will support this or you wish it did or ?
I did not know that any of the boxes now could access hulu or the other channels as a stand alone.

Yes I want this built into a player along with netflix instant play and everything else

I was wondering if anyone knew a site that list movies and tv that are free content and available on the internet.

bron did you get your unit yet?

Hi, not sure if your questions above were directed at me or not, but yes, I think tversity PRO can give you those- see their web site. I think some of the NMT boxes support YouTube, Hulu and others sites, but I could be wrong. Yes, I would like YouTube and some others as built-in services (not Hulu, especially, but just some more Video-streaming sites). Ryan has a link and a survey going on where they are asking you what sites you would like to see made available, so yes, it appears they plan to support something along these lines. I know there are several sites hosting public domain videos, don't recall which ones off-hand. Google is your friend.

Have not received mine yet, but last word was they were supposed to arrive in US today and AC Ryan was taking steps to expedite shipments, so hopefully should have it soon. Fingers crossed!
post #269 of 885
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Originally Posted by cc1995 View Post

Do I just set to 1080P 60HZ and the Playon HD will play the 23.976 fps file correctly?

Yes. Like I mentioned, I view all my 24p material on a Full HD television with POHD set to 1080p60. There's no abnormal stuttering; only the usual one during pans you get with all players, Blu-ray included, when playing 24p at 60hz.
post #270 of 885
bron I am sorry about my text slam on the screen and then saying you at the bottom.

I was only asking you if you had received yours yet. Hope to hear a great story soon

the rest was my my question to all about what you can get streamed for free on the net now.
I know that the other day I watched some southpark season 1 from netflix and a buddy said hey you can go to comedy central and see that.
Heck I didn't know you could get anything for fee.

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my only concernes with acryan are they things posted on mpc forums about them dropping an exclusive contract with a distributor. Sort or said hey we can make more
so go F yourself type thing. This scared me into thinking they might do the same with support and God forbid a recall for something.

Of course it was a little one sided but it sounded like something an A hole from the states would pull. Seems our business practices have taken hold world wide.
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