*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 41

Been reading through this fourm since I just bought a new AVR590. Lots of great info here and just wanted to say "hey". It's great having a source like this to go to with any questions. Thanks guys!

i was looking at some receivers on ebay and noticed some of them have a B after the model, like i found a good price on onkyo 606B not sure what the B stands for???


also im stuck between onkyo 507 and onkyo 606 which would be best bet????

B = black
S = silver
WT = wrong thread


this is the
*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread
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The 1600 will not process SACD. My SACD Oppo player will output all audio via HDMI. What will the Denon do with the signal? Output it as "vanilla" multi channel PCM? The Oppo manual says nothing about needing an SACD capable processor, only that it conforms to the HDMI 1.1a standard. Thanks.

In the PS3 thread, it says that all but the new Slim model need to decode high resolution blu-ray media formats and pass them via LPCM over HDMI to the receiver. It says further that..."Also some AVRs provide for bass management only for audio decoded by the AVR".
Will the 1610 provide base management for LPCM high res signals that have been decoded in the PS3?

Thanks in advance.

I love your site BTW.

Whew! Finally got through all the posts in this thread. So much good information. Thanks all.

Have a quick question for you guys. I am thinking of buying the Denon AVR-1610. What I am gonna want to do is this. I will hook my Blu Ray player, Xbox 360 and PS3 all up to the reciever with HDMI. Then I would want to hook my cable box/dvr up with component and optical for audio. Then one HDMI out to the tv. Can this reciever switch between 4 different Inputs even if they are not all HDMI? I would have to not be able to hook up more than 3 things since thats all the HDMI inputs there are.

Yes

The AVR-1610 also can output any video signal to your TV over HDMI (whether HDMI, component, S-video, or composite) so your plan to run one HDMI cable to your TV will work fine.

Why? The 1610 does no upscaling of video, so you would be much better served by just going HDMI from the DVR to the TV rather than component to the 1610. You'd keep the optical to the 1610 though. That way, you could use the TV's speakers for regular TV viewing and then when you wanted the surround speakers, you would just turn on the 1610 and mute the TV speakers.

Sorry for not reading through the 40+ pages or trying a search, but I was hoping someone who has been following this thread for a while would enlighten me; I've got a harman/kardon AVR254 which has it's own "problems/solutions" thread because there are so many issues with it. I'm considering selling it and buying one of these, but not if it will be a lateral move. Are there any issues with the 1910 with the firmware, or with HDMI handshaking, or with periodic audio dropouts with a specific source (or at all) or anything like that? My 254 has so many issues that it's become an inconvenience to use it, such that my old setup of using three sound cards from my laptop to connect my speakers to all my other sources is better because at least it worked in a roundabout way.

My main issues with the 254 at the moment are: after about 1 second of no audio activity the amps shut off, so for example in the PS3 menu, the menu clicks will most of the time be cut out, and the first second or two of pretty much anything will be cut off (songs for example, very annoying). Also I can't connect my laptop's HDMI out directly to the receiver because there's no way to turn off the video processing, so the video which is then passed from HDMI to my TV will become distorted, so I have to plug my laptop into my TV then run an optical audio cable to the receiver, then if I want to switch sources I have to switch both my TV and receiver which is annoying as well. Even not having to deal with either of those issues would be enough to sell my 254 and buy one of these.

Copied this from my post in the 1910 thread after realizing this receiver fits my needs much better, except it has no switched power outlets, but that's not a deal breaker as long as I don't have to worry too much about it overheating with normal use. It'll be on the 2nd shelf of an audio equipment shelf/rack.

It's so nice having a resident expert on Denon receivers on the forum, batpig! I'll go check out your website soon, and click a few ads for you. Wish we had someone like you for the h/k threads.

EDIT: Another small shortcoming of this line of receivers for me is the lack of pre-outs for the speakers...right now I'm using my computer speakers for the C/SR/SL/LFE via the pre-outs on my 254 and using RCA to 1/8" then 1/8" splitters to the audio cable of the sub, which then manages the other speakers. I know I know, bit of a hackjob solution but I can't afford right now to buy new surround speakers or a sub, so it has to do me for now. Suppose I would have to replace my speakers before getting this receiver, or just settle with stereo for a while.

Please delete the post in the 1910 thread so as not to double post.

By reading through the 1610 and 1910 threads you'd see they have the same issues ... mainly HDMI handshake issues (which are common to most AVRs actually regardless of brand) and firmware issues as well. Most likely though you would not see the two specific issues you are concerned with on the HK.

Thanks for the reply, I'll delete the other post if I can; most likely I'll only be able to edit it and blank it out but I'll do that at least. Thanks for the info, wasn't aware that the HDMI issues were common, but I guess it makes sense. I don't get those issues very often at all though so it's not a concern for me anyway.

Folks often don't realize they can delete their own posts ... instead simply erasing the post and then simply leaving "Post Deleted." in the post. To delete a post, you simply edit it and press the Delete button and "POOF!" it's gone.

I'm sure I've seen that delete button before, I've just never had to use it until now. I don't usually post frivolously

I don't think you will have overheating problems with the 1610. It seems to run relatively cool compared to other brands.

So what you are saying is run the composite cables into the television and the red and white audio cables into the television, then also run the optical out of the box to the receiver? I didnt think of that, as of right now we just keep the sony CT-100 on all the time and dont use the television speakers at all, I figured thats what I would do with the new setup also. (I am not gonna have full 5.1 yet, just buying the receiver and a 3.1 speaker setup right now as thats what I can afford.)

Correct, although if you never use the TV speakers, might as well just keep the component and optical from the box to the 1610.

Noooooo, I think what he is saying is run the HDMI from the cable box to your TV and the optical to the receiver. We are probably assuming you have more than one HDMI input to your TV. This is really a good way to take care of cable boxes since most handshaking problems seem to be with those components. A cable/sat box outputs a signal that can easily be handled by an optical cable. Run the HDMI cable from the receiver to your second HDMI input on your TV. Please don't use composite video

Deffinately wouldnt use composite video, I am talking about component video (Red Green Blue cables). Currently we have component video running to the television and the optical cable running into the ct-100. I just thought it would be nice to have them all going into Receiver and have that do all my video switching instead of having to change input with the tv remote, if that makes sense.

I just finish setting up my AVR 590 for the first time and I get "no signal" from all of my HDMI inputs. I have the first hdmi port going to directv and the second hdmi port going to my PS3. someone please help?


Furthermore, I can see the menus and options from the 590 on my TV screen.

Although HDMI jacks are assignable, setup becomes more "plug and play" (and therefore considerably easier) if you connect input sources to the same names listed on the HDMI jacks that more closely match the actual source as well as being more familar, that is connecting the PS3 to HDMI1 (DVD)(as most folks don't know what HDP stands for) and DirecTV to HDMI3 (SAT/CBL). By doing this, the INPUT assignments are already preset for HDMI without any additional setting requirements.

Ok, good. You had me worried for a moment. I understand not wanting to switch TV inputs. If you don't already have one, you might want to look at a universal remote. I've had several over the years but for the last two, I've had the Harmony One and can't recommend it enough. It makes switching inputs a non-event. You can find it this weekend at Fry's for an extremely good price. Also by running the HDMI directly to the TV, you can use the TV speakers on their own if you want and there will be fewer handshake issues. Just my two cents.

Just ordered mine today for $289 shipped from Electronics Expo - authorized dealer. They're not taking on-line orders - you'll have to phone in. Use code "receiversale" to get the special price.

It was either the Denon 1610/590 or Pioneer VSX 919. In the end, I didn't need ipod connectivity or 7.1 but sound quality was paramount - so I went with the brand that had the best reputation out of the two in this area. I'll report back once received...

I also called in an ordered today from electronics expo. I noticed that the stock online dropped and it said call, so I took the plunge before they go out of stock or anything, that price is great.

Yeah, I have never used the TV speakers I dunno how they sound hehe, but I guess I could do that, HDMI from cable box to TV, then optical from cable box to receiver. Do cable boxes normally put out audio to both sources if they are both hooked up? I would have to have to change something in cable box settings every time I wanted to use the TV or receiver. I have the samsung SMT-H3090 cable dvr box, time warner.