*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 50

I just bought the 2809 and ASD 11R. I also have a LG BD390. So what what should I expect to see as problems? I saw that 2310 has a problem with the LG BD390, does the 2809 have the same problem? and if so, what is another recommendation for a DVD player with WiFI? also, will I see a problem with my Itouch and video? How do I get the firmware updates?

I knew about these by reading posts, but the 2809 was what I needed with 2 front channels and a 3rd zone.

please help the novice newcomer

Check this out at Amazon - $70 - Probaly more than one will ever need
but I really like it.

Regards,

Purky

Hi again,

I forget to post the product details - here they are:

Tripp Lite HTPOWERBAR10 Home Theater Surge Protector/Suppressor 10 outlets 3coax 5700 Joules RJ11 Tripp Lite HTPOWERBAR10 Home Theater Surge Protector/Suppressor 10 outlets 3coax 5700 Joules RJ11

Regards,

Purky

Hey Guys,

I am thinking of picking up the AVR1610 to go with the below equipment and wanted to know if this is the best receiver for my needs under $500? I have the following equipment already.

Samsung LN52B750
ProMonitor 800's and a ProCenter 1000
HSU STF-2

This is for the family room and will never be more than a 5.1 setup. I have a seperate media room that I will setup down the road with higher end equipment. Thanks for the replies in advance.

Well that depends on what exactly your needs are, of course. For 5.1 and hooking up those components, the 1610 will be more than enough. In my opinion, the 1610 is easily the best new receiver out there for less than $500.

95% movie watching... thank you for your reply.

Hello guys, I have the 1610 for about 2 weeks now, its my very first receiver. I currently have it hooked up to my Energy Take Classics and a BIC PL-200. Before when I hooked it up to my ps3 to watch Blu rays it would say DOLBY PL II and i can change it to cinema or music. Now it just says "Multi In DVD" and I can only change it to stereo or multi channel direct. Why is it doing this??

Sounds like you changed the settings in the PS3 to allow them to pass the 5.1 audio stream, but not the full bitstream, from the Blu-Ray to your receiver, rather than having the PS3 send a 2 channel "Stereo" (2.0) signal. If you have one of the new Slim PS3s, you can bitstream to your receiver if you set the PS3 to allow all of the codecs within it's audio output menu to be sent to the receiver for decoding. The older "fat" PS3's can't bitstream TrueHD or DTS-MA (those are the two most common Blu-Ray audio codecs) and it has to decode them to PCM (LPCM? Not sure, I have a Slim) then send that to the external receiver. If that's not it I'm not sure, someone else will have to help you.

In any case, "Multi Channel Direct" is what you want if you're using a "fat" PS3, as you're getting the full 5.1 signal from the PS3 decoded to PCM (or LPCM as it may be) and then the receiver is playing it directly. If you apply Dolby Pro-Logic II to the already 5.1 signal, you may get undesired results. I'm not sure what that would do, never done it myself.

EDIT: Beat you to it, jd. Will the "fat" PS3 stream ANY signal? DD or even DTS core?

When the 1610 is receiving a stereo 2.0 signal, the DD PLII surround mode will take that and simulate a 5.1 signal (using either the Cinema or Music settings). However, when a HD 5.1 signal is received, the display will read MULT CH IN as it is receiving a PCM signal. If you have the older PS3 that's all you can get, however, if you have the new PS3 Slim, you can set it to bitstream the HD audio by changing the settings in the PS3.

You posted this in this 1610 thread, 1910 thread, and the 2808 thread, yet you missed the 2809 thread here where it really belongs. Please do not post the same issue in multiple Denon threads as it will get answered in the proper Owner's thread. Thanks.

I didn't know all of the owner's threads had the same people answering the questions for all of them when I first posted in it, as I'm sure you remember me posting in this and the 1910. It's fair to say there aren't many people who DO know, besides the people who do read all the threads Though I suppose, if people like this one had done a search like they should, they might know, and might even find an answer to their questions by themselves (HINT HINT!!!)

...but that's a whole 'nother can of worms altogether

Please ... don't get me started. Most of the questions we answer have been asked many times over and answers are available via the Search This Thread feature which is only available to members who are logged in to the forum (which many lurkors don't know). However, we still generally respond with an answer one way or the other. I just thought it was ironic he found 3 other threads and not the 2809. Had he only posted in a single thread, I would have provided the link to the 2809 thread as well as answered his question. I did answer his post in the 2809 thread.

And I, for one, appreciate you and batpig answering and reanswering the same questions over and over.

I'm sure once my 1610 arrives you'll be repeating yourself again........hopefully it'll get here today.

Sorry for the irrelevant post, but I couldn't help myself - took me a minute and thirty seconds to make, which is less time than finding an answer using the Search button takes, by the way! Think mine looks better with the classic theme, I'm a classic kind of guy



Wholeheartedly agree, thank you both very much, it's much appreciated, even if people don't show it sometimes. If it weren't for helpful people like you, most of us wouldn't be able to find our butt with both hands, a map and two mirrors

After changing out both my PS3 60G for a new PS3 slim and my AVR-590 for a new one, I STILL have the flickering....lol. All I can do is laugh. I completely changed out both components and the same thing is going on....I will try the cable that demon suggested but I doubt that will do anything. Let's see. BTW my TV is a samsung PN58B560. I currently unplugged the hdmi cable from the back of the AVR 590 that was running to my plasma and I hooked it directly to my PS3 slim and guess what, no flickering. There HAS to be some kind of funky handshake issue going on between my AVR and my PS3 slim...if the cable doesn't work, then I will ugrade to a 1910 and call it a day. If that doesn't work, then I'm going to throw everything in my pool. lol.

ok, i just took the tv off the wall and plugged the HDMI cable going to the back of my samsung into a different port. no flickering from ps3 slim on 1080p thus far....I will keep you guys updated.

i didn't try that yet, if plugging the hdmi cable into a different port turns out not to work, i will definitely try that.

bat, last question........for the day....lol. I was reading your denon to english article and you stated:

"The newer PSM "Slim" models can bitstream the HD audio, so you do NOT need to set your PS3 to output linear PCM as explained above. You can leave it on "bitstream" for HDMI audio."

I interpreted that to mean to leave the audio output setting to "AUTO" on the ps3 slim. Am I supposed to see the blue light while watching a blu-ray with this configuration? I just want to ensure that I am having the best sound quality possible. Thanks.

You have to specifically check the bitstream blocks in the PS3 audio setup in order to pass them to the 1610.

Thanks for the fast response Kpalsm and JD. I dont think Ive change any of the settings on the PS3, so im still confuse at why it change from saying Dolby PL II to MULTI CH IN. On Tuner mode or TV is still says Dolby PL II. But if Multi Ch In is the optimum setting for Blu rays then ill just leave it at that. I have the older model PS3 and the BD/DVD audio output is on Bitstream and there is an option to change to linear PCM. And Batpig Ive bookmark your site but I havent gotten a chance to read it yet.

My AVR-590 came yesterday. Hooked it up and works great! It is unbelieveable how poor the manual is. Big thanks to Batpig for his translation!

One question:

How do I get the digital coaxial input to work?

I connected my digital coax source through the Coaxial (Sat/Cable) input on the AVR and I can't get it to play. I didn't have time to dig into it, but hopefully someone on here can help.

If you also have an HDMI cable plugged into the SAT/CBL HDMI3 jack, then the HDMI audio will take priority so change INPUT MODE to DIGITAL when you want to use the coax. Otherwise, if no HDMI cable connected, change the SAT/CBL HDMI setting to NONE and you should be good to go.

Thanks for the quick reply. Digital coax works now. I had to change the SAT/CBL HDMI setting to NONE and the Digital setting to C1.

C1 is the factory default setting for Digital so there should not have been any reason to change it, and also why I didn't mention it. However, bottom line, it works!

Ahh that's right, I hadn't thought of that, though my PS3's menu does say "Multi Ch. PCM" on my AVR254 so I believe the menu for the PS3 will transmit in whatever speaker configuration you have it set up for. Not sure about the FBI warnings, special features, DVD menus etc. but you're probably right. Good call

Ok, well I did end up getting a Denon 1610, and I bought LCR3 package, P6 bookshelfs for surrounds and an ASW-10 sub all from the speaker company. I ran audyssey today and this is what I ended up with. I am such a newb to all of this so any tips or help would be much appreciated.

It set front, center and surrounds to small.
It says
Channel Level Check
Front L: -1.5db
Center: -3.5db
Front R: -1.5db
Surround R: -4.5db
Surround L: -5.0db
Subwoofer: -8.5db

Crossover Freq. Check
Front: 60Hz
Center: 80Hz
Surround: 40Hz

Ok so, The LCR3 Package from TSC that I have for fronts/center are all the same speaker, the specs say.
Frequency Response 65 Hz - 20 kHz +
Crossover Frequency 3.2kHz
Impedance in Ohms 8
Power handling (watts) 10-100
Sensitivity 89 dB
So Frequency Responce 65hz-20 khz, I see the audyssey has it set at 60 Hz for the fronts, but from the specs 65hz is as low as it should be able to go?

The surrounds are the P6 from tsc, and here are the specs.
Frequency Response 60 Hz - 20 kHz +
Crossover Frequency 2.5kHz
Impedance in Ohms 8
Power handling (watts) 10-100
Sensitivity 89 dB
Same thing, the audyssey set it at 40hz, isnt that way too low?

I cant seem to find where the frequency for my sub is, but after watching a few tv shows it seems to me that not enough bass is being sent to the sub. The only thing I can seem to find is Surround Paramater it says LFE is 0db.

Also when I am watching television or whatever, what should I set the receiver on? Just MultEQ: Audyssey? I am so confused with cinema and music and all kinds of settings on this thing!!

A couple other things, once I get all of this set right, anyone have any recomendations on what I should set the audio outputs too on my ps3, and my Panasonic bdp-60 BR player.

If the frequency response is indeed accurate and is within +/- 3db, I would set the xover at that number or the one setting higher than that number (for example, if you can't set it to 65hz, set it to 70, or 80, whatever the next highest setting is). The higher you set your front crossover, the more front left/right bass will be sent to the sub instead. The only thing the LFE trim will do is turn up the sub, it won't send more frequency range to the sub.

As for surround settings, nobody can tell you what you will like best, you will have to try them out and listen, see what works for you. It's subjective, just like speakers themselves are; different people like different sounds, therefore, nobody can tell you "what speakers are better" than others or "which surround mode is better". That said, just because something already sounds good doesn't mean something else won't sound better, if you like "MultiEQ" you should still try out the other settings, because you may like something else better (though it's doubtful, Audyessy is very good).

I'm sure if any of this info isn't correct batpig or jd will let you know, and they can fill you in on the details I can't help you with as well. I don't own one of these receivers, I'm just speaking from my general knowledge of receivers. batpig and jdsmoothie are godsends, at least in this thread, if not this forum. They seem to spend almost all day answering people's questions and they don't tire of it, even when people ask the same questions every day (like I did when I joined this thread).