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post #1561 of 5128
12/15/09 at 11:55pm
Just wanted to make a post since I have now used this thing for a few days and say thanks to you guys for answering my questions, I am really liking this setup and this receiver. I got a harmony remote and after a few painstaking hours of getting that setup, it makes everything even better!
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post #1562 of 5128
12/16/09 at 3:44am
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How do you like your tSc LCR3 set up w/ the Denon?
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post #1563 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:38am
How big of a deal is this? I was about convinced that Denon was the way to go, and then talked to a friend that has an AVR-1610 who likes it but has infrequent but very annoying drop outs on his FIOS Motorola DVR. He's learned to live with it but he's not happy. The advice to bypass the HDMI and go direct to the TV seems awfully self-defeating. After all, if you have an AVR now and are upgrading for HDMI switching the last thing you want to do is bypass it.

Anyway, I have a Series 3 TiVo HD and a Sony Blu-ray Player and a Mac Mini all to be connected via HDMI. Am I likely to see dropouts of video/audio with these devices? Should I rethink the Denon thing and go back to Onkyo. The heat really worried me about that as I don't have that much room in the rack for a very hot receiver. My current HK 240 runs fairly cool.

So much FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) in the AVR world these days.

Jay W
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post #1564 of 5128
12/16/09 at 5:04am
His issue I doubt is the denon. More than likely the STB and/or a bad HDMI cable. Could be FIOS as well or the station he is watching. I will have some drop outs w/ D*, mainly on FOX but the first thought is more than likely D* issues and not my Denon.
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post #1565 of 5128
12/16/09 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by jayw View Post

How big of a deal is this? I was about convinced that Denon was the way to go, and then talked to a friend that has an AVR-1610 who likes it but has infrequent but very annoying drop outs on his FIOS Motorola DVR. He's learned to live with it but he's not happy. The advice to bypass the HDMI and go direct to the TV seems awfully self-defeating.

This is an issue with HDMI protocol itself; that is to say, all HDMI AVRs exhibit this problem to some degree. My harman kardon AVR254 has the issue as well (though I haven't experienced it yet with my PS3 or Xbox 360. I sort of have with my laptop though I think that's due to other issues with my receiver).

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After all, if you have an AVR now and are upgrading for HDMI switching the last thing you want to do is bypass it.

I couldn't agree more but there's little to be done about it AFAIK, perhaps someone else has something to say? I made the same disappointing discovery when I bought my AVR, it was my first HDMI compatible receiver and I can switch between Xbox 360 and PS3 but not between laptop and anything else as the video has to be re-routed to not be passed through my receiver due to another issue with the receiver which causes it to garble the video from my laptop for some reason.
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post #1566 of 5128
12/16/09 at 5:41am
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The advice to bypass the HDMI and go direct to the TV seems awfully self-defeating. After all, if you have an AVR now and are upgrading for HDMI switching the last thing you want to do is bypass it.

I would agree with the previous posters that it's more than likely a STB problem as Moto STBs (esp FIOS) are especially prone to have HDMI handshake issues (regardless of AVR mfr). Bypassing the STB is not necessarily a bad thing as it not only avoids HDMI handshake issues, but also frees up an additional HDMI jack for another component to use. By sending optical/coax to the 1610 there is also no lose in audio quality.
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post #1567 of 5128
12/16/09 at 1:34pm
Just got my 590 today. Haven't had time to do much with it yet, but I encountered one small difficulty when I tried get audio out of it this morning before work.

I'm in the process of building my home theater, and don't yet have my LCR speakers yet (they are en route). I've only got 2 surrounds and a powered sub right now.

Anyway, when the receiver showed up, I quickly connected it to my DVD player (HDMI in) and TV (HDMI out), subwoofer (subwoofer preout), and rear surrounds (surround LR speaker posts). Didn't do any setup at all, really just wanted to quickly see if the surrounds and sub were working. Popped in a DVD with Dolby Digital. Picture came through, but no sound from the TV nor surrounds nor subwoofer. Tried various surround settings to no effect. "info" showed a Dolby Digital audio signal.

Didn't have time to really dig into the settings, but I'm wondering what I'm missing. Do I need to run Audessy or manual audio setup before it will pass any audio signal? Will it not pass a signal if there are no LCR speakers connected?

Thanks for your time.

Ryan
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post #1568 of 5128
12/16/09 at 2:03pm
The default setting for the surrounds out of the box is SMALL so they should work, however, keep in mind the surrounds only play background special effects so the material you listened to might not have had any during the passage you were listening to at the time. The same for the sub ... unless there was a LFE signal being sent, you wouldn't hear anything from the sub. Did you try the Denon mode 5-CH stereo? That would have put all audio to the surrounds. Also, keep in mind that the only way to get audio to the TV speakers (while AVR is ON) is by changing the HDMI Audio Out to TV vice the default setting of AMP. Although if your TV isn't able to accept DD 5.1 then that's why that would not have worked.
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post #1569 of 5128
12/16/09 at 2:09pm
Thanks jdsmoothie. That all makes sense, but I let the movie play for 10 minutes or so, it (Transformers) should have had some surround effects during that time. Wasn't getting anything out of the sub either. I'll troubleshoot it when I get home.
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post #1570 of 5128
12/16/09 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by jayw View Post

How big of a deal is this? I was about convinced that Denon was the way to go, and then talked to a friend that has an AVR-1610 who likes it but has infrequent but very annoying drop outs on his FIOS Motorola DVR. He's learned to live with it but he's not happy. The advice to bypass the HDMI and go direct to the TV seems awfully self-defeating. After all, if you have an AVR now and are upgrading for HDMI switching the last thing you want to do is bypass it.

Anyway, I have a Series 3 TiVo HD and a Sony Blu-ray Player and a Mac Mini all to be connected via HDMI. Am I likely to see dropouts of video/audio with these devices? Should I rethink the Denon thing and go back to Onkyo. The heat really worried me about that as I don't have that much room in the rack for a very hot receiver. My current HK 240 runs fairly cool.

So much FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) in the AVR world these days.

Jay W

I had this happen on the dexter season finally the other night I had DVRd. So I was like WTF I just bought this denon and now this! I decided to test it since it was dvred I could get it at the spot it did it and rewind and see if it did it again, it did. So I got my old sony soundbar out and hooked it up in place of the denon, and it did it on that also, I changed the audio output on my DVR to 2 channel temporarily and it didnt do it, so deffinately not the receiver but the DVR. Now I have a samsung dvr but he may want to try changing the audio output and see if it still does it also, its probably not the receiver.
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post #1571 of 5128
12/16/09 at 2:51pm
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@FORS:

How do you like your tSc LCR3 set up w/ the Denon?

I really like it, I had bought P6 bookshelves for surrounds also and they sound nice. TSC just gave me a refund today since I bought before everything was 40% off and I used that refund to buy a LCR1 set so I can have one RC1 as a spare just in case, and I may switch the P6 I have with the P5s that come with the LCR1 since the speakers will all be the same size then.
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post #1572 of 5128
12/16/09 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by Hazefrog View Post

rear surrounds (surround LR speaker posts).


Ryan -

Since this is a temporary "test" setup, why not simply hook up the two speakers you have to FRONT left/right? It will be much easier to confirm normal operation this way.
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post #1573 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:13pm
Just got my BIC V1020 hooked up, Power set to on, Input set to Digital, 5.1/6.1/7.1, 0 Phase, Volume 5, Crossover 120hz but I'm not getting any sound in any of the sound modes DTS,Dolby,Stereo, Direct.

Sub connected via RCA. Halp
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post #1574 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:41pm
Thread Starter 
have you actually told the receiver you have a subwoofer connected?

MANUAL SETUP > SPEAKER SETUP > SPEAKER CONFIG

Make sure SW is set to "yes" here.

Then, still in the SPEAKER SETUP menu, scroll down to CHANNEL LEVEL and run the test tones and see if the sub is rumbling.
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post #1575 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:46pm
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have you actually told the receiver you have a subwoofer connected?

MANUAL SETUP > SPEAKER SETUP > SPEAKER CONFIG

Make sure SW is set to "yes" here.

Then, still in the SPEAKER SETUP menu, scroll down to CHANNEL LEVEL and run the test tones and see if the sub is rumbling.

Sub is set to yes, test tone produces rumble on the sub.
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post #1576 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by audio4me View Post

Sub connected via RCA. Halp

Why not let the Denon set it up for you using the AUTO SETUP procedure?
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post #1577 of 5128
12/16/09 at 4:56pm
I am looking to purchase an AVR-590 in the near future. Has anyone seen a better deal on one other than at Best Buy for $349? They are offering the Acoustic Research (Audiovox) XSight remote as a package for $50 more but based on it's reviews I don't know if that is even worth it. Thoughts?
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post #1578 of 5128
12/16/09 at 5:04pm
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I am looking to purchase an AVR-590 in the near future. Has anyone seen a better deal on one other than at Best Buy for $349? They are offering the Acoustic Research (Audiovox) XSight remote as a package for $50 more but based on it's reviews I don't know if that is even worth it. Thoughts?

You can beat that price easily. Below is a link to Denons Authorized Online Dealers. I'd just go through and compare. I got mine at 6ave several months ago. Also you can sometimes get better pricing if you call.

http://www.usa.denon.com/OnlineETailers.asp
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post #1579 of 5128
12/16/09 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Why not let the Denon set it up for you using the AUTO SETUP procedure?

I have it only hooked up in a 3.1 till I get my speaker stands for the other 2, will it still work?

I guess I could but still, I'd really like to know why the sub just is not responding to any settings.



Edit: I tried Auto setup and it stops after the subwoofer with FL and C Phase displayed on the screen. I reran it, then just C Phase displayed on the screen, I guess it didnt get a good reading? No sure what that means, sub still wont work, but works during test tones and Auto setup.


Edit 2: Just tried a dvd, sub does work but its extremely low, I opened it up to all freq. to 180hz and volume was maxed and I wave getting very low rumble on heavy bass scene, so it is working just extremely low.
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post #1580 of 5128
12/16/09 at 6:02pm
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I had this happen on the dexter season finally the other night I had DVRd. So I was like WTF I just bought this denon and now this! I decided to test it since it was dvred I could get it at the spot it did it and rewind and see if it did it again, it did. So I got my old sony soundbar out and hooked it up in place of the denon, and it did it on that also, I changed the audio output on my DVR to 2 channel temporarily and it didnt do it, so deffinately not the receiver but the DVR. Now I have a samsung dvr but he may want to try changing the audio output and see if it still does it also, its probably not the receiver.

Excellent test. I wouldn't be surprised if it was my friend's DVR's fault. I hated that Motorola which is why I dumped it and got TiVo HD.
Thanks for passing along the test results.
Regards,
Jay W
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post #1581 of 5128
12/16/09 at 7:26pm
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I have it only hooked up in a 3.1 till I get my speaker stands for the other 2, will it still work?

Yes, it will still work with a 3.1 setup. In fact it would work with a 2.0 setup. After all, although it may be a 5.1 surround AVR, it's always going to be a stereo receiver at a bare minimum.

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Edit: I tried Auto setup and it stops after the subwoofer with FL and C Phase displayed on the screen. I reran it, then just C Phase displayed on the screen.

Phase errors are common and can be ignored as long as you have verified that the wiring is correct from AVR to each speaker +/+ and -/-.


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Edit 2: Just tried a dvd, sub does work but its extremely low, I opened it up to all freq. to 180hz and volume was maxed and I wave getting very low rumble on heavy bass scene, so it is working just extremely low.

Perhaps you have a defective sub? After running AUTO SETUP, what did the Denon set for the sub trim (volume) setting? Keep in mind the sub generally only goes up to about 120hz, so "opening it up to 180hz" doesn't really do much. Also, either set the sub to LFE+MAIN or set your main speakers to SMALL with a crossover of 100hz.
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post #1582 of 5128
12/16/09 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, it will still work with a 3.1 setup. In fact it would work with a 2.0 setup. After all, although it may be a 5.1 surround AVR, it's always going to be a stereo receiver at a bare minimum.



Phase errors are common and can be ignored as long as you have verified that the wiring is correct from AVR to each speaker +/+ and -/-.




Perhaps you have a defective sub? After running AUTO SETUP, what did the Denon set for the sub trim (volume) setting? Keep in mind the sub generally only goes up to about 120hz, so "opening it up to 180hz" doesn't really do much. Also, either set the sub to LFE+MAIN or set your main speakers to SMALL with a crossover of 100hz.

edit: found a much higher quality RCA cable and still the same result

Set cross over to 110hz manually, set sub to LFE+Main, still no sub in stereo. I thinking it might be the cable. I have a generic RCA cable that came with my blu ray player, I'll try to swap it once my cable arrives.

Thanks for the help so far. Anything else?
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post #1583 of 5128
12/16/09 at 11:55pm
I'm surprised that none of you guys had anything to say about the f****d up volume control of the AVR 590. When pressing the up/down key in rapid succession,

1 press = .5 dB change
2 presses = 1 dB change
3 presses = 9 dB change (!)
4 presses = 13 dB change

If that's not a bug, then I don't know. Prospective buyers: Test the remote in a store to make sure you can live with it.
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post #1584 of 5128
12/17/09 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by audio4me View Post

Thanks for the help so far. Anything else?

Run AUTO SETUP.

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Originally Posted by David Rad View Post

If that's not a bug, then I don't know. Prospective buyers: Test the remote in a store to make sure you can live with it.

Never mentioned simply because there is no bug. If you hold the volume button down (which is what you're really doing), it will change faster then the usual 0.5 increment per individual press.
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post #1585 of 5128
12/17/09 at 5:45am
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Run AUTO SETUP.

I did run auto setup and it keeps stopping at C Phase or RL and C phase and nothing else. Auto Run does produce a very mild test tone sound on the sub. but its not on the level it should be, I know it should be a moderate rumble from it and its hardly audible unless you pay attention.

Keep in mind I'm not running an official sub cable, just a high quality RCA. Not sure if this could be a culprit. Still waiting on my monoprice order which is taking forever to get here.

I also did a full factory reset and redid all the steps outlined since I had the problem and still no dice. It feels like I'm just missing something, I find it hard to believe the sub could be bad.

Later when I get home I'm going to be swapping it out with my fathers passive sub. I'm going to hook it up via speaker wire to his old Onkyo and see if the sub and amp at least works and we can narrow it down to a cable/line in/receiver issue.
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post #1586 of 5128
12/17/09 at 6:03am
You should be able to run AUTO SETUP and, as long as the speakers are wired correctly, just press SKIP when you get the PHASE error. A yellow composite video cable is a suitable substitute for either a digatal coax or subwoofer cable.
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post #1587 of 5128
12/17/09 at 7:27am
Hahaha.
Found my problem:

I was too timid with the volume nob.

Everything works, and I'm impatient to get my LCR, run Audyssey, and get down to business. Soon. Soon.
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post #1588 of 5128
12/17/09 at 9:42am
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You should be able to run AUTO SETUP and, as long as the speakers are wired correctly, just press SKIP when you get the PHASE error. A yellow composite video cable is a suitable substitute for either a digatal coax or subwoofer cable.

Ok I didnt press the skip button. I just redid it or hit menu to back out when it approached that point. I guess thats why I didnt get any official readings from the Auto Setup.
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post #1589 of 5128
12/17/09 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by audio4me View Post

edit: found a much higher quality RCA cable and still the same result

it's not the cable!!

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Set cross over to 110hz manually, set sub to LFE+Main, still no sub in stereo. I thinking it might be the cable.

just to be clear, do not confuse the crossover setting on the sub itself with the bass management in the receiver.

On your BIC sub, when the switch is in the "Dolby Digital" position the crossover on the sub is DEFEATED and the knob doesn't do anything! That switch allows you to bypass the crossover so the receiver can perform all the bass management digitally. If the speakers are still set to LARGE in the receiver (which is the default) the SW will not get any signal with most programming material, regardless of what you do with that crossover knob..

So with the switch in that position (DD 5.1/6.1/.7.1), make sure your other settings ON THE SUB are correct (volume at about 1/2 way, phase at 0) and then run the AUTO SETUP and report back what the subwoofer volume level comes out at. You can just do a one-position run on auto setup to save time, the first position is where it calculates all the distances and volumes to balance the system, the other 5 positions are just refining the EQ filters.

Don't worry if the "thumps" from the SW sound soft during auto setup. Just do it and then check and see what the AVR sets your channel level on for the SW channel. And also make sure all speakers are set to SMALL with a crossover of at least 80Hz.
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post #1590 of 5128
12/17/09 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

it's not the cable!!



just to be clear, do not confuse the crossover setting on the sub itself with the bass management in the receiver.

On your BIC sub, when the switch is in the "Dolby Digital" position the crossover on the sub is DEFEATED and the knob doesn't do anything! That switch allows you to bypass the crossover so the receiver can perform all the bass management digitally. If the speakers are still set to LARGE in the receiver (which is the default) the SW will not get any signal with most programming material, regardless of what you do with that crossover knob..

After reading the BIC directions last night I realized that and tried both settings. All speakers have been set to small.

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So with the switch in that position (DD 5.1/6.1/.7.1), make sure your other settings ON THE SUB are correct (volume at about 1/2 way, phase at 0) and then run the AUTO SETUP and report back what the subwoofer volume level comes out at. You can just do a one-position run on auto setup to save time, the first position is where it calculates all the distances and volumes to balance the system, the other 5 positions are just refining the EQ filters.

Don't worry if the "thumps" from the SW sound soft during auto setup. Just do it and then check and see what the AVR sets your channel level on for the SW channel. And also make sure all speakers are set to SMALL with a crossover of at least 80Hz.

I will do this as soon as I get home. I'll double check to make sure speakers are small, make sure the xover is set there and I'll run it again. Once I hit skip after the phase messages I should be able to go into Channel Level and find the settings that Auto Setup created.

Thank you for the help.
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