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post #1801 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No not at all. Conversion (up/down) has to do with going from one type of cable to another, eg. component ---> HDMI. Scaling (up/down) has to do with resolution changes eg. 480i ---> 1080p. The 590 offers video "conversion" to HDMI from either composite, S-video, or component but does not offer any scaling ability, therefore whatever video resolution "goes in" also "comes out" the same resolution.

Thanks!
post #1802 of 5119
Denon receivers and a Directv DVR remote. I posted a similar question on the Pioneer 1019 thread. But am also considering the 1610/590 receiver.

A quick question regarding the power on/power off buttons. We have a Directv HR20 and like using the Directv remote. It has a AV1 setting to map it to a receiver, but it only has one "Pwr" button. Right now, with our current receiver, we can only turn off the receiver with the Pwr button. I'd love to be able to turn on and off the receiver with the Directv remote. I found out that the Pioneer receivers have a single on/off button, but Denons have seperate buttons. So far, the only manufacturers that seem to have a single power button are Pioneer and Onkyo of the receivers I'm considering. Is there any way possible to get the Directv remote to power on and off the Denon receiver?

I'd love to get a universal remote, but for the "wife acceptance factor" she'd prefer to just use the Directv remote since it's geared towards the DVR functionality.

Thanks.
post #1803 of 5119
Hi gang...
Home Theater challenged here...

Is it worth it to upgrade to the Denon AVR1610 to take advantage of the HDMI connections?
Is this a fairly easy setup? I set up my current Home Theater and it drove me crazy!!

Here's what I have now:
TV: Sony LCD-HDTV (KDF-55WF655) (with 1 HDMI in)
Receiver: Harman Kardon AVR525 (No HDMIs)
Comcast Motorola dual tuner HD-DVR Box (W/ DVI out)
Adding: Sony Blu Ray DVD player with HDMI (BDP-BX2) (Costco equivalent of BDP-S360)


My HK receiver is 7.1 capable but based on my layout, should really only be used as a 5.1 setup. (Polk speakers, Jamo sub...already wired)

This is what I am interested in doing:

I'll be replacing my Sony DVD Recorder with the Blu Ray player and just want to make sure I have everything hooked up for optimal performance

Thanks in advance and pardon my ignorance...
post #1804 of 5119
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Originally Posted by shafu View Post

Denon receivers and a Directv DVR remote. I posted a similar question on the Pioneer 1019 thread. But am also considering the 1610/590 receiver.

A quick question regarding the power on/power off buttons. We have a Directv HR20 and like using the Directv remote. It has a AV1 setting to map it to a receiver, but it only has one "Pwr" button. Right now, with our current receiver, we can only turn off the receiver with the Pwr button. I'd love to be able to turn on and off the receiver with the Directv remote. I found out that the Pioneer receivers have a single on/off button, but Denons have seperate buttons. So far, the only manufacturers that seem to have a single power button are Pioneer and Onkyo of the receivers I'm considering. Is there any way possible to get the Directv remote to power on and off the Denon receiver?

I'd love to get a universal remote, but for the "wife acceptance factor" she'd prefer to just use the Directv remote since it's geared towards the DVR functionality.

Thanks.

the "master" power button isn't a momentary button like the stand by button, so i don't think you'll be able to control a full power off/on with any remote. you can however leave the master power button on and toggle standy by button with your remote. you should just be able to select AV1 or whatever source button you assign the receiver to on the remote and control it that way.

I was contemplating getting a harmony remote since all volume from all devices run through the 1610, but after i set up my fios remote to always control the AUX device's volume, i no longer feel i need to spend the money on one. check the setup sheet for your remote as well. i learned that i can program mine to to an "ordered" power off/on for up to four devices when the remote's power button is pressed.

if only there was a volume bar overlay on screen, i'd be 100% happy. someone said you can do it with svideo or composite and still watch source material via HDMI, but i still don't understand how that would work.
post #1805 of 5119
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Originally Posted by CHolleman View Post

the "master" power button isn't a momentary button like the stand by button, so i don't think you'll be able to control a full power off/on with any remote. you can however leave the master power button on and toggle standy by button with your remote. you should just be able to select AV1 or whatever source button you assign the receiver to on the remote and control it that way.

Sorry, you are correct, I meant "standby" instead of true "off". If you look at the picture of the remote, http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/image...AVR590_500.jpg, it looks like there are two buttons at the top. One for "On/Source" and one for "Off". Which makes me think you need two codes for turning it on and off. The Directv remote only has one button labeled "PWR" to control the Avr. Am I correct in assuming that the Directv remote will not work to toggle power/standby on the Denon?
post #1806 of 5119
The DirecTV remote will indeed power on/off the Denon AVR although you really do need to reconsider using a Harmony for the WAF. Only having to press a single button to turn whatever you want ON will get you points.
post #1807 of 5119
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Originally Posted by Halvo View Post

Hi gang...
Home Theater challenged here...

Is it worth it to upgrade to the Denon AVR1610 to take advantage of the HDMI connections?

Depends on what you plan on doing with your HK. IMHO .. no. You have a nice AVR there which accepts MULT CH analog inputs. If you spend a little more on a Blu-Ray player that decodes HD audio to MULT CH analog you can save yourself having to buy a new AVR and still get the HD audio via your HK.

Another issue not in your favor is your HDMI/DVI Comcast box as that combination tends to not play well with the Denon AVRs. You have a couple options if keeping the HK:

(1) Pick up an HDMI switcher like this one. It would allow you to input the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI cable) and Blu-Ray (HDMI) to the switcher and then a single HDMI cable to the TV. You would also connect an optical from the Comcast box to the HK (as you most likely have configured now) for the DD 5.1 on the HD channels.

(2) Connect the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI) directly to the TV with a component cable from the Blu-Ray player to the TV as well. Audio connections as suggested above.

Whether you keep the HK or get the 1610, you really should look to upgrading your Comcast box to HDMI output.
post #1808 of 5119
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Originally Posted by CHolleman View Post

....if only there was a volume bar overlay on screen, i'd be 100% happy. someone said you can do it with svideo or composite and still watch source material via HDMI, but i still don't understand how that would work.

If you connect either an S-video or composite video from the source to the 1610, the manual indicates it should switch over to that output when the Menu button is pressed and display the menu over the display. Not sure whether the volume bar would display as well or not. On the older AVRs, the only way to get the volume bar is to also connect a S-video or composite to the TV as well.
post #1809 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Depends on what you plan on doing with your HK. IMHO .. no. You have a nice AVR there which accepts MULT CH analog inputs. If you spend a little more on a Blu-Ray player that decodes HD audio to MULT CH analog you can save yourself having to buy a new AVR and still get the HD audio via your HK.

Another issue not in your favor is your HDMI/DVI Comcast box as that combination tends to not play well with the Denon AVRs. You have a couple options if keeping the HK:

(1) Pick up an HDMI switcher like this one. It would allow you to input the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI cable) and Blu-Ray (HDMI) to the switcher and then a single HDMI cable to the TV. You would also connect an optical from the Comcast box to the HK (as you most likely have configured now) for the DD 5.1 on the HD channels.

(2) Connect the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI) directly to the TV with a component cable from the Blu-Ray player to the TV as well. Audio connections as suggested above.

Whether you keep the HK or get the 1610, you really should look to upgrading your Comcast box to HDMI output.

Thanks smoothie! Will your 2 suggestions work with the Blu Ray player that I already purchased? (Sony Blu Ray DVD player with HDMI (BDP-BX2) (Costco equivalent of BDP-S360)
post #1810 of 5119
No, which is why I said you would have to pay a little more (~$200 total maybe less) for one that would output MULT CH analog.
post #1811 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No, which is why I said you would have to pay a little more (~$200 total maybe less) for one that would output MULT CH analog.

got it. any recommendations for a Blu Ray with this capability?
post #1812 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If you connect either an S-video or composite video from the source to the 1610, the manual indicates it should switch over to that output when the Menu button is pressed and display the menu over the display. Not sure whether the volume bar would display as well or not. On the older AVRs, the only way to get the volume bar is to also connect a S-video or composite to the TV as well.

sorry, just a little confused. so with composite/svideo connected and using the HDMI source to watch/listen to tv, the volume bar would be overlayed? this doesn't make sense since you'd think the input would have to switch to show the bar, which would majorly annoying and totally not worth it.
post #1813 of 5119
Anyone have any recommendations for me as to where to find this receiver (1610/590) for under $300? I'm ready to buy now if I can get it under $300, otherwise I'm waiting for the Pioneer 519 to get back in stock somewhere.
post #1814 of 5119
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Originally Posted by Halvo View Post

got it. any recommendations for a Blu Ray with this capability?

The Oppo 83 is often mentioned in these threads although it will set you back more than the 1610 would. Just google "BDP multi channel analog."

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Originally Posted by CHolleman View Post

sorry, just a little confused. so with composite/svideo connected and using the HDMI source to watch/listen to tv, the volume bar would be overlayed? this doesn't make sense since you'd think the input would have to switch to show the bar, which would majorly annoying and totally not worth it.

The manual (p. 12) indicates the switch to the S-video/composite input happens automatically. We need someone to confirm though by connecting up a cable to their source and the 1610 and giving it a try.
post #1815 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The DirecTV remote will indeed power on/off the Denon AVR although you really do need to reconsider using a Harmony for the WAF. Only having to press a single button to turn whatever you want ON will get you points.


So to confirm, the Denon AVR only uses one IR code for ON and Standby? Even though the remote that comes with it has it on two seperate buttons? I dug around some Directv DVR websites and it looks like the PWR button on the Directv remote only passes on IR code for that button. This would be a deal breaker for getting the Denon and the most likely candidate then would be a Pioneer.

I'd like to get a Harmony remote but 90% of what we watch is off of the DVR and the DVR remote is best suited for that (Directv has color buttons, seperate navigation buttons and play buttons etc...).

Thanks.
post #1816 of 5119
Alright so I just hooked up my 590 to three speakers: Polk Audio RTia5 (LEFT and RIGHT) and a 5.25" PA center channel. I will be getting a sub and rear surround speakers in a few months.

Ive ran the Auddessey auto setup and things went smooth. However, I am a little confused with the selection of the surround sound... Previously, I had a Sony HTIB that I ran my PS3 to via optical... that receiver at an "Auto" option where it would automatically selection Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1...

What I want to know is, how do I put my Denon 590 to an "auto" option... I tested a blu ray on Dolby Cinema... should I selection Dolby Cinema or the DTS one? I also saw there is a Video Games selection as well. This is a little annoying to constantly change this, cant I just set it to auto?
post #1817 of 5119
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Originally Posted by shafu View Post

So to confirm, the Denon AVR only uses one IR code for ON and Standby?

Correct. The DirecTV PWR button turns the AVR ON and OFF.
post #1818 of 5119
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Originally Posted by shafu View Post

So to confirm, the Denon AVR only uses one IR code for ON and Standby? Even though the remote that comes with it has it on two seperate buttons? I dug around some Directv DVR websites and it looks like the PWR button on the Directv remote only passes on IR code for that button. This would be a deal breaker for getting the Denon and the most likely candidate then would be a Pioneer.

I'd like to get a Harmony remote but 90% of what we watch is off of the DVR and the DVR remote is best suited for that (Directv has color buttons, seperate navigation buttons and play buttons etc...).

Thanks.

even though it has two buttons, they only perform their respective assignments. i just tested it on mine. OFF turns the AVR off, PWR turns it on. ridiculous, i know...

i've successfully programed my fios remote to turn the AVR off and on and control the volume(i probably does more, but i haven't delved that far into it). seeing that the latest generation pioneers have tested poorly with regards to power output, i think it would be a dis-service to yourself to not select an excellent receiver because of a perceived button issue.
post #1819 of 5119
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Originally Posted by FTA_FTW View Post

What I want to know is, how do I put my Denon 590 to an "auto" option... I tested a blu ray on Dolby Cinema... should I selection Dolby Cinema or the DTS one? I also saw there is a Video Games selection as well. This is a little annoying to constantly change this, cant I just set it to auto?

The best "auto" mode is simply pressing the STD (Standard) button on the remote. It will then play DD/DTS/MULT CH/bitstream when 5.1 audio is received and DD PLII - Cinema when a stereo source is received (commercials and SD channels).
post #1820 of 5119
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The best "auto" mode is simply pressing the STD (Standard) button on the remote. It will then play DD/DTS/MULT CH/bitstream when 5.1 audio is received and DD PLII - Cinema when a stereo source is received (commercials and SD channels).

Ok which option though, Dolby or DTS Neo:6?


And will this be okay for blu-ray movies and ps3 games?
post #1821 of 5119
You're welcome to try all those different surround modes and see which you prefer. However, if as you said, you want to set it and forget it, just leave it on Dolby. It will still play the HD DTS audio tracks, DTS NEO is just another simulation surround mode.
post #1822 of 5119
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Originally Posted by Crash11 View Post

Anyone have any recommendations for me as to where to find this receiver (1610/590) for under $300? I'm ready to buy now if I can get it under $300, otherwise I'm waiting for the Pioneer 519 to get back in stock somewhere.

I have heard that some people got the 1610 for $299 or even $279 from either Electronics Expo or 6th Ave by calling them. Check online for possible coupon codes. I paid $319 at OneCall after I put in a desired price of $299 on their website. Even though they advertised $379 they emailed me a better price. I tried an online chat at EE, but they would only come down to $329 for me! Give a call and tell them what you want to pay, it can't hurt. BTW, the 590 should be less.
post #1823 of 5119
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Originally Posted by blynott View Post

I have heard that some people got the 1610 for $299 or even $279 from either Electronics Expo or 6th Ave by calling them. Check online for possible coupon codes. I paid $319 at OneCall after I put in a desired price of $299 on their website. Even though they advertised $379 they emailed me a better price. I tried an online chat at EE, but they would only come down to $329 for me! Give a call and tell them what you want to pay, it can't hurt. BTW, the 590 should be less.

+1 and don't forget to call J&R Electronics
post #1824 of 5119
Pre-outs to expand to 7.1; add a two-channel amp to power "rear" or "height" channels with PLIIx/z (respectively)

Does this mean I can use the preamp outputs to connect an external amp to power the front speakers instead of adding to the 7.1?
post #1825 of 5119
Sorry, but no. It means those pre-outs are for either adding "front height" or "rear surround" speakers. The lowest level 2010 model with "front main" pre-outs is the 3310 (or 2809 for 2009 models).
post #1826 of 5119
Maybe 6th ave will have their name your price promo again in JAN. I got mine in Sept. for $265.
post #1827 of 5119
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Originally Posted by blynott View Post

I have heard that some people got the 1610 for $299 or even $279 from either Electronics Expo or 6th Ave by calling them. Check online for possible coupon codes. I paid $319 at OneCall after I put in a desired price of $299 on their website. Even though they advertised $379 they emailed me a better price. I tried an online chat at EE, but they would only come down to $329 for me! Give a call and tell them what you want to pay, it can't hurt. BTW, the 590 should be less.

Got mine for $260 + $19.99 shipping at EE, but that was just after Thanksgiving. There's a code you can use at EE that usually gives a discount, too. PM me for it, unless it's alright to post here. I've heard 6th Ave is a good place to order from as well also.

Somebody lemme know if my post is inappropriate.
post #1828 of 5119
alright, i need a better explanation of the term "front height". i searched a bit on here and could only find that it's a feature of Dolby PLIIz. can someone explain it better and why i would want to set my front's to that? thanks.

edit: never mind i found what i was looking for. only used with 7.1
post #1829 of 5119
Front height speakers are used "in lieu of" 7.1. By connecting an external amp to the 1610 pre-out jacks you can add either rear surround speakers (7.1) or front height speakers (5.1+2).
post #1830 of 5119
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Originally Posted by slaughinghouse View Post

Got mine for $260 + $19.99 shipping at EE, but that was just after Thanksgiving. There's a code you can use at EE that usually gives a discount, too. PM me for it, unless it's alright to post here. I've heard 6th Ave is a good place to order from as well also.

Somebody lemme know if my post is inappropriate.

Slaughinghouse - Unfortunately I saw your code on the other thread right after I received my 1610. However I'm having so much fun with it that I don't care about paying a little extra. I just watched Transporter 3 in Bluray and it was a "Blast"!
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