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post #211 of 5182
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"Advanced" is the crossover menu, that just means you can set different crossovers for each speaker (if it isn't on "advanced" there will be one global crossover for all speakers). When you run Audyssey it sets all your crossovers separately so you automatically end up in "advanced" crossover mode.
post #212 of 5182
oic. thanks for the explanation again. then i'll just leave it as is
post #213 of 5182
I need clarification from current AVR 1610 owners (apologize if it's already been covered in the thread)
On the Denon website, if you take the "View demo" for the AVR-1610 it clearly says that you can reassign the amp for the front "B" speakers to work as a zone 2 (as in have speakers outside or another room) even though it isn't mentioned in the specs anywhere else. Is this really possible...and will it work with an independent source? If this receiver has true 2 zone capability (watch movie inside, have music outside) then this is the perfect model for me. On the other hand, if the source has to be the same for all speakers then that is just as useless to me as having A/B front speakers..
post #214 of 5182
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no, there are only 5 amps in the 590/1610 model and there is no zone 2 capability whatsoever. I bet that's leftover from the 1609 which was a 7.1 model...

you can of course use the "B" speaker outputs to power a second set of speakers but the volume and source will be tied to the main zone speakers.
post #215 of 5182
Has anyone had any issues with the harmony remotes? Specifically, I just got the Harmony 670 and have programmed the avr-1610 into it for my avr-590. Everything seems to work great except that when I used volume up and down it will never go to a half decibel setting. E.G. it will go to 19db and 20db but not 19.5db. Also, when I try to navigate through the OSD of the denon the up and down arrows will only move up and down 2 rows at a time! I had the harmony "learn" my volume up/down after I experienced the first issue, but it did not help.

Does anyone have any recommendations for how to fix this?
post #216 of 5182
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, there are only 5 amps in the 590/1610 model and there is no zone 2 capability whatsoever. I bet that's leftover from the 1609 which was a 7.1 model...

you can of course use the "B" speaker outputs to power a second set of speakers but the volume and source will be tied to the main zone speakers.

Thanks, that's what I thought. I guess technically you could have outdoor speakers powered with the 1610 as long as the people outside want to listen to the exact same thing as the indoor people...very limiting. Seems that Denon chooses their feature set to deliberately force a more expensive upgrade...but the 1610 is perfect for people with a small room 5.1 setup and no need for zone 2.
post #217 of 5182
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well the difference in msrp between the 16XX and 19XX model has shrunk this year, it's about a $100 upgrade for 7.1, zone 2, 1080p video scaling, and an extra HDMI input. I think the 1610/590 still provides a lot of bang for the buck in a $300 receiver.
post #218 of 5182
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Originally Posted by LegoMania View Post

Has anyone had any issues with the harmony remotes? Specifically, I just got the Harmony 670 and have programmed the avr-1610 into it for my avr-590. Everything seems to work great except that when I used volume up and down it will never go to a half decibel setting. E.G. it will go to 19db and 20db but not 19.5db. Also, when I try to navigate through the OSD of the denon the up and down arrows will only move up and down 2 rows at a time! I had the harmony "learn" my volume up/down after I experienced the first issue, but it did not help.

Does anyone have any recommendations for how to fix this?

you can change the "repeats" if the device is responding too sensitively to a command.

open up the Harmony software, go to "Devices" and find the receiver's device profile, and then select "troubleshoot". It should give you a list of problems and one of them should be "My device is responding too much / too little to commands" or something like that. Select that problem, hit "next", and it will pop up a page with settings for the number of repeats for commands, lower that down a bit and then update your remote, should fix things.

the Harmony software and tech support is VERY helpful with resolving issues, so do not be afraid to experiment with the troubleshooting section of the software if you encounter problems.
post #219 of 5182
Thanks batpig! I'll give it a shot!
post #220 of 5182
I am a new happy Denon AVR 590 owner. I got it setup with my Harmony One and after a little work on figuring out the inputs it works great. I need to setup a few other things on the Harmony but will get around to that later. It works well enough for the wife to use for now.

I still need to play with some more of the auto setup stuff, but I can't seem to find our tripod atm.
post #221 of 5182
So i was playing with my new receiver last night and was wondering if there was a way to have both the Dynamic EQ (audessy) AND the Dynamic volume control running at the same time? When I have audessy it is very up and down in volume when watching movies... action scenes are probably 25db higher then regular dialogue. Anyone know?
post #222 of 5182
I could be wrong but I think when you have the VOL EQ on the other is forced on by default.
post #223 of 5182
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yes, the three products "layer on top" of each other. MultEQ is the first layer (room correction), Dynamic EQ is the second layer (maintaining tonal balance when the volume drops below zero), and Dynamic Volume is the third layer (compressing dynamic swings in volume/loudness). they all work in tandem with each other, so it is impossible to have Dynamic Volume on and Dynamic EQ or MultEQ not also be on.

This is awkwardly represented by the little drawing of nested rectangles on pg 41 of the manual.

you can see what is active by the little "Audyssey MultEQ" indicator on the display (item 9 on pg 5 of your manual)
post #224 of 5182
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, the three products "layer on top" of each other. MultEQ is the first layer (room correction), Dynamic EQ is the second layer (maintaining tonal balance when the volume drops below zero), and Dynamic Volume is the third layer (compressing dynamic swings in volume/loudness). they all work in tandem with each other, so it is impossible to have Dynamic Volume on and Dynamic EQ or MultEQ not also be on.

This is awkwardly represented by the little drawing of nested rectangles on pg 41 of the manual.

you can see what is active by the little "Audyssey MultEQ" indicator on the display (item 9 on pg 5 of your manual)

But when I try to put them both on, the light changes from green to red or off completely... how do I know visually that both are on? And is there some order of hitting the buttons to make sure I have both dynEQ & dynVOL on at the same time?
post #225 of 5182
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I told you how you can know visually: "you can see what is active by the little "Audyssey MultEQ" indicator on the display (item 9 on pg 5 of your manual)"

plus the light color indicates the status -- red light = Dynamic EQ is on (volume is off); green light = both Dynamic EQ and Volume are on.

on the remote, the "DYN EQ" button turns Dynamic EQ on/off but does not turn on Dynamic Volume. the light will be red when it is on.

the "DYN VOL" button turns Dynamic Volume on/off, but doesn't touch Dynamic EQ -- so it will cycle between "green" light (Dyn EQ/Vol both on) and "red" light (Dyn. EQ on but Vol off).

The "DYN VOL" button doesn't do anything if Dynamic EQ is off. So first hit the DYN EQ button to turn on Dynamic EQ (red light), and then the DYN VOL button can toggle the volume control on/off.

this is reasonably well explained on pg 42 of the manual.
post #226 of 5182
I am gathering the answer is yes but i just want to double check. With the receiver in standby mode and my comcast dvr connected by hdmi to the avr and hdmi from avr to tv, I will?? be able to get video and audio without having to turn on the receiver everytime? Thx all for your time I currently have a yammy 465 that can do this but am having some handshake issues and will likely exchange it for the onkyo 507 or denon 590.
post #227 of 5182
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yes, all Denon AVR's now have the HDMI passthrough function when in Standby.
post #228 of 5182
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, all Denon AVR's now have the HDMI passthrough function when in Standby.

thanks for the help, the generosity of your time is much appreciated on this forum
post #229 of 5182
Ok, I was going to buy the 1610 but I can have a 1709 for 198$.

Ok it's the old generation but the above range and it has 3 hdmi 1.3a.

And from I've heard lately the decoding of new formats are performed by the blu ray player or hd-dvd player so there is no need to have an amplifier that decodes those new hd formats, but just an amplifier with hdmi inputs!?

It would be to hook it up with my DMP-BD60 Blu Ray and XA 1 HD DVD in replacement of my avr 1705...
post #230 of 5182
Thread Starter 
The 1709 does not take audio over hdmi
post #231 of 5182
Well If you say so I'll have to beleive you since you're the specialist. But several websites including amazon are saying thet it actually DECODES new HD formats.

Too good to be true. I'll go with the 1610 then.

EDIT: yeah i dl/ded the HDMI spec sheets comparison chart from denon and on the older generation you had to go with a 1909 to get hdmi audio.
post #232 of 5182
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This is why you go to my website first

the model numbers section of my site has a handy color coded chart with HDMI capabilities for every model:
http://batpigworld.com/models.html

I would be very interested to actually see a website claiming the 1709 can decode HD audio.
post #233 of 5182
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This is why you go to my website first

the model numbers section of my site has a handy color coded chart with HDMI capabilities for every model:
http://batpigworld.com/models.html

I would be very interested to actually see a website claiming the 1709 can decode HD audio.

Yeah Denon has one on their website too...

Has for the website, here it is, Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846

Cnet Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...-33043398.html

But they just supposed to be professionals

Reminded me of when the Bang & Olufsen installers went to a friend of mine to set up his hone theater and were not able to plug the cd player, so I had to do it myself
post #234 of 5182
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1080p-compatible HDMI digital video switching (3 in, 1 out) — pass-through only (a separate cable connection is required for audio)

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YUXSjC9...-AVR-1709.html

Quote:


*Audio connections are required with all video connections. (A/V Receiver doesn't receive AUDIO via the HDMI connection.)

http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-1709-SetupGuide_008.pdf
page 2, upper right box.

Also if you look in the customer reviews on the Amazon page that you linked there are several negative reviews that mention the HDMI switching is video-only.

Neither of the websites you linked actually say that it does audio over HDMI, they just fail to mention it's video-only.



Don't doubt batpig, he's the man.
post #235 of 5182
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Originally Posted by Azaka View Post

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YUXSjC9...-AVR-1709.html



http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-1709-SetupGuide_008.pdf
page 2, upper right box.

Also if you look in the customer reviews on the Amazon page that you linked there are several negative reviews that mention the HDMI switching is video-only.

Neither of the websites you linked actually say that it does audio over HDMI, they just fail to mention it's video-only.



Don't doubt batpig, he's the man.


Well that's what I said, it is not doing HD formats but if you read on those two websites they both say that it decodes HD formats and I don't know how it can decode with HDMI audio
post #236 of 5182
This may be stupid question but I can't find an answer to it. This is my first ever receiver and I'm not really sure what the "Source" button on the receiver itself does. I'm talking about the button to the lower left of the Source Select knob.

In the manual (which is horribly written) it says to look on page 34 and all it says about this button is:

"If Tuning Preset is selected for preset channel, press SOURCE before turning Source Select"

post #237 of 5182
Hey Gang,

I just noticed that when I hooked up my nintendo Wii with Component cables part of the side screen (both left and right) were cropped off---its small, but enough to notice. I hooked up the Wii into the "DVR" composite input, although I tried the DVD input as well. Has anyone else encountered this? If so, how do I go about restoring the full screen? Otherwise, everything else is working great. Thanks in advance for the help!
post #238 of 5182
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Originally Posted by kingraf68 View Post

Hey Gang,

I just noticed that when I hooked up my nintendo Wii with Composite cables part of the side screen (both left and right) were cropped off---its small, but enough to notice. I hooked up the Wii into the "DVR" composite input, although I tried the DVD input as well. Has anyone else encountered this? If so, how do I go about restoring the full screen? Otherwise, everything else is working great. Thanks in advance for the help!

I'd go component for the Wii so you can use 480p.
I have a hunch the 480i input is being overscanned, though I don't think the receiver would do that. Is there a setting in the Wii? I forget.
post #239 of 5182
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Originally Posted by SpHeRe31459 View Post

I'd go component for the Wii so you can use 480p.
I have a hunch the 480i input is being overscanned, though I don't think the receiver would do that. Is there a setting in the Wii? I forget.

I just edited my post above, i meant to write component not composite...oops
post #240 of 5182
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Originally Posted by zero383 View Post

This may be stupid question but I can't find an answer to it. This is my first ever receiver and I'm not really sure what the "Source" button on the receiver itself does. I'm talking about the button to the lower left of the Source Select knob.

In the manual (which is horribly written) it says to look on page 34 and all it says about this button is:

"If Tuning Preset is selected for preset channel, press SOURCE before turning Source Select"


It toggles between FM/AM when you're on the tuner input I believe.
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