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post #2281 of 5128
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Originally Posted by Pacer69 View Post

My NEW SETUP will be: A set of Polk M50s and a Polk CS1 for my living room HT rig along with the 1610.
My questions are:

1) Anyone know how the 1610 sound compares to vintage quality equipment like the 2230? I'm just curious if I'll enjoy the same warm, full sound or perhaps something even better with my new 1610 which is now on order from E-E.

There should be no difference in sound between these receivers at any level below clipping. The room calibration feature of the 1610 may alter the sound based on room acoustics but it should be for the better.
post #2282 of 5128
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Originally Posted by lmacmil View Post

There should be no difference in sound between these receivers at any level below clipping. The room calibration feature of the 1610 may alter the sound based on room acoustics but it should be for the better.

Thanks, guys. One more: If I turned off the B speakers, do you think I'd still get clipping?
post #2283 of 5128
If you're referring to running in "A+B" mode, you have a greater chance of clipping, so running only in either "A" or "B" mode will lower the chance of clipping at high volume.
post #2284 of 5128
Cool, thanks, jd.
post #2285 of 5128
soooooo it's been 11 days since i got the 590 with the Boston Acoustic speakers. up until the last day or so the comfortable listening volume for watching TV has been around -22dB to -20dB but today i noticed i get the same volume level at -30dB, a warmer more full sound and harder hitting bass. I guess this means my speakers are broken in eh?
post #2286 of 5128
Thread Starter 
no, not at all. While some believe in speaker break-in, others don't, you will not find ANYONE who will ascribe an 8dB difference to break in!!! Advocates of speaker break-in will discuss subtle changes in the character of the sound, but there should never be any absolute volume change, and certainly not of that magnitude.

most likely it is simply a coincidence of whatever program you happened to be watching. Volume levels can vary dramatically among different sources. I am assuming you did not measure this change using a standardized reference, such as a test tone, right?
post #2287 of 5128
Is the 1610 being made in China or Japan? I understood that the Denon line was made in japan, but also hear lower end stuff is now made in China. Seems you cannot buy consumer (as opposed to audiophine) electronics that are made anywhere but China any more.
post #2288 of 5128
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Originally Posted by djm3801 View Post

Is the 1610 being made in China or Japan? I understood that the Denon line was made in japan, but also hear lower end stuff is now made in China. Seems you cannot buy consumer (as opposed to audiophine) electronics that are made anywhere but China any more.

Made in China, does it matter as long as it works.
post #2289 of 5128
Everything matters when I am making a purchase with my money. Nothing against the PEOPLE of China, who are as interested in making it day to day as are the people in any other country. I am not trying to turn this discussion into a political conversation and will gladly delete the question if deemed inappropriate. It is sometimes very difficult by using manufacturer resources to find out where something is built.
post #2290 of 5128
I've got my PS3 hooked up to my Denon AVR-590 via HDMI, and the 590 is hooked up to my TV (Sharp LC37D43U) via HDMI. I turned the HDMI control stuff on to enable passing video and audio through to the TV when the 590 is in stand-by.

I'm running into a strange situation - if I watch something with 5.1 sound and the 590 is in stand-by, my TV seems to only play the L/R sound with no dialog (as if the center channel is not being passed through). If I watch something in stereo with the 590 in stand-by the TV plays everything normally. If the 590 is turned on, the receiver takes care of the audio and it plays through my 5.1 speaker system.

Am I missing something simple here?
post #2291 of 5128
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, not at all. While some believe in speaker break-in, others don't, you will not find ANYONE who will ascribe an 8dB difference to break in!!! Advocates of speaker break-in will discuss subtle changes in the character of the sound, but there should never be any absolute volume change, and certainly not of that magnitude.

most likely it is simply a coincidence of whatever program you happened to be watching. Volume levels can vary dramatically among different sources. I am assuming you did not measure this change using a standardized reference, such as a test tone, right?

batpig, i was reading in the sub thread and saw that you were looking for a musical sub and was wondering what you settled on as i am looking also. based on your experience, if you dont mind me asking.
post #2292 of 5128
Hello out there everyone! Before posting, I just wanted to say what an awesome resource this particular thread is: after subjecting myself to the bewildering manual and a useless speaker setup when following said manual, its nice that there are some folks out there who can actually put some of this information into plain English.

Here is my query: I just picked up a 1610 and Klispch HD Theater 300 Speaker System towards the beginning of the month and have been enjoying the results very much thus far. I noticed in the cut sheet on the speakers website that the crossover frequency of the small speakers are 150Hz, yet when I run the Auto setup the program reports a crossover of 100Hz for the rear speakers. (The front speakers were detected as 150Hz, btw).

Will this be a problem for potentially damaging the equipment? Or resulting in a less than optimal listening experience? It would seem to me that forcing through a signal lower than what the speaker's are rate may damage them, but I'm not sure if I'm just worrying for no reason.

Please let me know, and thanks again in advance!

(sorry for not posting the tear sheet link up... since I'm a noob the system won't let me. =/)
post #2293 of 5128
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Originally Posted by jsf0656 View Post

batpig, i was reading in the sub thread and saw that you were looking for a musical sub and was wondering what you settled on as i am looking also. based on your experience, if you dont mind me asking.

Mirage Prestige S8..thought I would save him a post.

edit..as a matter of fact, here is his review of it. Don't know if he feels the same about it, as it was quite some time ago.

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Originally Posted by skenny View Post

I've got my PS3 hooked up to my Denon AVR-590 via HDMI, and the 590 is hooked up to my TV (Sharp LC37D43U) via HDMI. I turned the HDMI control stuff on to enable passing video and audio through to the TV when the 590 is in stand-by.

I'm running into a strange situation - if I watch something with 5.1 sound and the 590 is in stand-by, my TV seems to only play the L/R sound with no dialog (as if the center channel is not being passed through). If I watch something in stereo with the 590 in stand-by the TV plays everything normally. If the 590 is turned on, the receiver takes care of the audio and it plays through my 5.1 speaker system.

Am I missing something simple here?

It's a PS3 issue, in which the way it handles the sound channels. There is no fix besides having the AVR on, AFAIK.
post #2294 of 5128
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

Mirage Prestige S8..thought I would save him a post.



It's a PS3 issue, in which the way it handles the sound channels. There is no fix besides having the AVR on, AFAIK.

would the mirage work in a room 20x15 w/cathedral ceilings? hate to ask this in receivers section, just looking to get info from someone w/experience. thanks
post #2295 of 5128
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Originally Posted by djm3801 View Post

It is sometimes very difficult by using manufacturer resources to find out where something is built.

In Denon's case, it's actually quite easy to determine simply by looking at each AVRs rear image on the Denon website in which you will see that the 1610, 1910, 2310, and 3310 are "Made in China" and the 4310 and higher are "Made in Japan."
post #2296 of 5128
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Originally Posted by skenny View Post

I've got my PS3 hooked up to my Denon AVR-590 via HDMI, and the 590 is hooked up to my TV (Sharp LC37D43U) via HDMI. I turned the HDMI control stuff on to enable passing video and audio through to the TV when the 590 is in stand-by.

I'm running into a strange situation - if I watch something with 5.1 sound and the 590 is in stand-by, my TV seems to only play the L/R sound with no dialog (as if the center channel is not being passed through). If I watch something in stereo with the 590 in stand-by the TV plays everything normally. If the 590 is turned on, the receiver takes care of the audio and it plays through my 5.1 speaker system.

Am I missing something simple here?

Apparently your TV cannot accept a DD 5.1 signal, rather only stereo. Because you have it set to play on the 590, it's not going to automatically downmix to 2.0 stereo just because you're passing it through to the TV. Either you need to uncheck the 5.1 blocks in the PS3 Sound settings when you want to pass audio through to the TV or you could also connect an optical or RCA cable straight to the TV from the PS3 and change Sound settings to either Digital or Analog depending on which cable you decide to use.
post #2297 of 5128
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Originally Posted by TheInsaneOne View Post

Here is my query: I just picked up a 1610 and Klispch HD Theater 300 Speaker System towards the beginning of the month and have been enjoying the results very much thus far. I noticed in the cut sheet on the speakers website that the crossover frequency of the small speakers are 150Hz, yet when I run the Auto setup the program reports a crossover of 100Hz for the rear speakers. (The front speakers were detected as 150Hz, btw).

Simply raise the crossover points for the rear speakers to 150hz as well and you'll be good to go. You won't impact the Audssey settings by doing this.
post #2298 of 5128
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Originally Posted by skenny View Post

I've got my PS3 hooked up to my Denon AVR-590 via HDMI, and the 590 is hooked up to my TV (Sharp LC37D43U) via HDMI. I turned the HDMI control stuff on to enable passing video and audio through to the TV when the 590 is in stand-by.

I'm running into a strange situation - if I watch something with 5.1 sound and the 590 is in stand-by, my TV seems to only play the L/R sound with no dialog (as if the center channel is not being passed through). If I watch something in stereo with the 590 in stand-by the TV plays everything normally. If the 590 is turned on, the receiver takes care of the audio and it plays through my 5.1 speaker system.

Am I missing something simple here?

Check the Tv setting for an audio option.
post #2299 of 5128
I have hdmi from PS3 to Receiver and hdmi from receiver to TV.

Source on Receiver is Stereo TV, but I have no sound. What connection should I have from the TV TO the Receiver?

There are RCA outputs on the TV, but no TV inputs on the Receiver.

If I connnect RCA from TV to Receiver and change source to Sat/Cab - I DO get sound.

Am I missing the TV inputs on the Receiver?
post #2300 of 5128
With this model, HDMI carries both a video AND an audio signal so there is no reason to run any cable from the TV to the 590. If you plug the HDMI cable into HDMI1 (DVD) then whenever you select DVD on the remote you should get both audio and video. If you're only getting stereo it means you must go into the PS3 Sounds settings HDMI Manual setup and make sure that all the DD 5.1 and HD audio blocks are checked.
post #2301 of 5128
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In Denon's case, it's actually quite easy to determine simply by looking at each AVRs rear image on the Denon website in which you will see that the 1610, 1910, 2310, and 3310 are "Made in China" and the 4310 and higher are "Made in Japan."

I'll be darned. I was just visiting the MFG web sites and looking for some info on country of manufacture. DUH! Thanks. Did nto look at the blow up of the rear view of the receiver. Thanks very much. Should have thought of that myself.
post #2302 of 5128
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

It's a PS3 issue, in which the way it handles the sound channels. There is no fix besides having the AVR on, AFAIK.

No prob, not a big deal. Thanks!
post #2303 of 5128
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

With this model, HDMI carries both a video AND an audio signal so there is no reason to run any cable from the TV to the 590.

but in this case he is trying to get audio OUT of the TV, the PS3 mention was irrelevant....

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There are RCA outputs on the TV, but no TV inputs on the Receiver.

If I connnect RCA from TV to Receiver and change source to Sat/Cab - I DO get sound.

Am I missing the TV inputs on the Receiver?

no, there are no analog inputs labeled "TV", most TV's have an optical output (thus there being an optical input labeled "TV") but you aren't missing anything.... except for the fact that WHO CARES what name it says??? Use whatever name you want that is available, and if it bothers you that it says "Sat/Cbl" instead of "TV" you are free to rename it.
post #2304 of 5128
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jsf0656 View Post

would the mirage work in a room 20x15 w/cathedral ceilings? hate to ask this in receivers section, just looking to get info from someone w/experience. thanks

no. that room is much too big for an 8" sub at any appreciable volume.

if you will only be listening at moderate volumes it will be OK, but it will struggle at high volumes with that much space to fill, and it will be inadequate for home theater. If you want a "musical" sub that can do well in a large room and also handle some HT stuff, check out the HSU STF-2.
post #2305 of 5128
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no. that room is much too big for an 8" sub at any appreciable volume.

if you will only be listening at moderate volumes it will be OK, but it will struggle at high volumes with that much space to fill, and it will be inadequate for home theater. If you want a "musical" sub that can do well in a large room and also handle some HT stuff, check out the HSU STF-2.

thanks batpig, appreciate your input!
post #2306 of 5128
Just got a new 1610 and really like it....sorry if this has been mentioned before, but how do I listen to i-pod, cd, turntable while the video for the television is on?

Sometimes just like to have the music going, but also have the game on!!!!

Thanks for your help...

J
post #2307 of 5128
You would need to plug an RCA cable from the audio source into the same labeled RCA jack as you are using for the TV (eg if using the SAT/CBL HDMI jack for TV, then plug the RCA cable (via RCA splitter most likely) into the RCA IN jacks labeled SAT/CBL as well. Then when you want to listen to that source, change the INPUT MODE to Analog. If you want to use an optical cable, you can simply assign the Input Assign (Digital) to either OPT1 or OPT2 and then when you want to listen to that audio change INPUT MODE to Digital.
post #2308 of 5128
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

What 1080p component video device do you have? There aren't many.

Xbox 360
And i know it doesn't scale to 1080P, so that is why i want to know what happens when the input already is 1080P, so there won't be any scaling needed in theory.
post #2309 of 5128
If the input resolution is 1080p going in, then it will be 1080p going out as well. If it's anything less then that, then your 1080p HDTV will upscale it to 1080p.
post #2310 of 5128
Spent the entire day setting 590 with Boston Acoustics.

I have a very simple setup, audio signal comes from my TV into the optical input, no other devices. The overall impression is pretty positive, but I'm experiencing sound spikes while switching the channels on TV. When I switch TV to another channel I first hear a sound spike, actually a very short chunk of the channel audio, then silence for a second and normal audio after that.

It can be 590, TV or both, I understand that. Also, it's a possibility that this behavior is typical when I switch from the channel with the regular stereo sound to the channel with 5.1 sound.

Did somebody have a similar experience?


So far, great sound, the only issue I noticed was stressed/accented sound in words with "s", "sh", "ch" . When I use TV speakers "s" is normal.

I have another setup in my bedroom with Panasonic plasma TV and Denon S301, small 2.1 system that works great, no "s", no spikes while switching everything - channels, sources etc.

I would appreciate it if somebody could share his/her experience with the 590 and similar setup.
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