*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 11

Originally Posted by batpig

no, with the advent of HDMI more and more entry-level receivers are dropping multichannel analog inputs. On Denon's current lineup you need to step up to the 790/1910 model for multich analog inputs.

unfortunately, the Denon 1930CI can't do SACD over HDMI. Optical will not get you multichannel hi-rez sound, only 2-channel. You may want to consider either (1) selling the Denon DVD and switching to an Oppo or some other player which can do SACD over HDMI or (2) going with the 790/1910 model.

Originally Posted by oconnells

I'm not sure if I should post this here or in the subwoofer forum, but since it involves my new 1610 I'll start here. I followed the directions in the Denon owner's manual, and ran the automated speaker setup, all my speakers (Front = Bose 301, Center = Optimus, Rear = Optimus) are set to small, and my subwoofer (MTX SW2) is set as follows:
Subwoofer: On
Phase: 0
Crossover frequency: 160 Hz (speaker can be set 60, 80, 120, 160)
Volume is set to the 12 o'clock position

My problem is when I watch my DVD's / Blueray movies I don't seem to have much low frequency response. Highs sound better than ever, but lows are sorely lacking (I'm not even sure my sub is doing anything). If I change the front speakers to large things sound better, but not great.

I guess what I'm trying to determine is whether or not I've configured my speakers corretly?

Originally Posted by batpig

the 1610 has both Auto Lip Sync and a user-adjustible audio delay feature, so yes you can compensate for lip sync problems. However, you should know that with a cable/sat source a lot of times the problem is not only part of the signal, but also variable from channel to channel, so you may end up doing a lot of tweaking.

Originally Posted by batpig

it's possibly that it's just a coincidence that you are noticing it now and it has nothing to do with the TV. the fact that it's only really on one channel is a strong indicator that it's not something endemic to the TV or AVR.

Originally Posted by batpig

presumably, yes, that is what the "auto lipsync" function is supposed to do. however, I can honestly say that I've never used it so I don't know if it will work perfectly for that one channel.

Originally Posted by batpig

That is totally normal.

First -- on a receiver with Dynamic EQ, the unit calibrates the volume dial so that "0" on the dial gives you a predefined "reference" volume, as defined by the film industry. This is the volume used in movie theaters and mixing studios where soundtracks are made. Now, this reference volume -- defined as 85dB with 105dB peaks (+20dB "headroom") -- is REALLY LOUD and would be unbearable in most home settings.

Anyway, the volume calibration is a necessary step, because Dynamic EQ works by adjusting the tonal balance of the system as the volume drops below that "reference". If it doesn't know what the reference is, it wouldn't know how much to boost the bass or surrounds as the volume drops.

So, in a small room, with moderately efficient speakers, it is perfectly normal that all speaker volumes have to be trimmed down a bit into the negatives. If you put the same speakers in a huge room, all the values would be positive.

The big difference is that, with most receivers, you simply calibrate the speaker volumes to balance with the other speakers -- in other words they are adjusted to relative levels. On a receiver with Dynamic EQ, the speakers are adjusted not only relatively to each other, but also to that absolute volume level so Dynamic EQ can work properly.


Second -- since the volume is calibrated, and the volume scale works on a proper logarithmic decibel scale, listening at -20 or -30 on the volume dial may seem like "cranking it" because you are close to "0", but in fact it isn't really THAT loud. Every ten decibels is a doubling of perceived "loudness", so if you listen at -30 then you are actually eight times less loud than "reference" or what you would hear in a giant, blasting movie theater.

So in other words, it's all totally normal, enjoy

Originally Posted by bc3tech

can any users of it help me out?

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

I am certianlly not an expert but it seems to me that if its only 1 channel it has to be something not local to your house. Now that you have noticed it try it again on the old TV

Originally Posted by batpig

no, just leave it as is. It doesn't make a difference in terms of amp power as the only determinant is the TOTAL gain (speaker level + volume dial). But you will end up screwing with Dynamic EQ's compensation if you raise the speaker levels.

Is Dynamic Volume on when you report having to raise it to -10dB? That would explain that part. Typically, with Dynamic Volume off (and Dynamic EQ on) you would be listening mostly in the -30 to -20 range, and -10 would be pretty darn loud with a movie or music content.

This could also be affected by use of the "Dynamic EQ Reference Level Offset" parameter, which essentially turns down the volume of the source to reduce the amount of "boost" that Dynamic EQ provides.

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Watching a blu ray disc last night "The sum of all Fears" movie, at -20 I was unable to hear the dialog and even the special effects were quiet. At -10 It was improved to the point i could hear what they were saying but by no means was loud. I also have my Motorola DCH 6416 hooked thru it and its the same. All connections are HDMI

Originally Posted by westgstreet

I'm new with setting up receivers so pardon my ignorance. I'm setting up my 1610 with the speakers that I have. I have 2 front, 2 sorround, 1 center and 1 subwoofer. Why is there another set of front speakers terminals in the receiver? Also why is the subwoofer terminal an rca cable terminal? How can I connect the two wires of my sub to the receiver? Thanks in advance!