*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 101

Hey guys!

Overall I love my Denon 590... but I've run into a rather annoying quirk.

Essentially, I have my PC also hooked up to my receiver via HDMI. (Before it was hooked up directly to my TV). The problem is that every time the receiver turns on, it refreshes my PC monitor as well. Not a problem when I expect it but when my wife randomly turns on the tv when I'm playing a game, that 1 second of blackness can be the difference between life and death.

I never had this problem when I had it hooked directly up my TV.

Now, of course, I could just hook my PC back up to my TV since the audio is via optical, but I'd rather not do that at the moment for various reasons.

What do you mean "the audio is via optical"? What is your current cable setup between the TV, PC and 590?

That's interesting. I would have expected it to flash when connected directly to the TV as well.

The reason it's flashing is because Windows picks up a new display and restores any multi-mon settings that exist. Doing this requires a quick reset of the video memory, so you get a black screen.

I can only guess that your TV was still sending its "connected" signal even when powered off, so the computer never had to refresh its settings. There's a way to setup the receiver so that even when off it's still passing through the HDMI signals. It uses a lot more electricity, but it would probably solve your problem.

I hook my video card up to my receiver via HDMI but send the audio to the receiver via optical cable.

Any ideas on how to setup the receiver so that it still passes the hdmi signals?

HDMI Control - ON (default is OFF)
HDMI Standby Source - HDMI"X" where "X" is the HDMI jack you have the PC plugged in to

Learn to live with it. Its the way how Denon works (i think).
I get those blinks too. But its not problem for me coz TV works 24/7.
And yea that 1 second blink sometimes means life or death but there is worst thing eheh. If u hooked up HDMI power control on Denon, depends on witch VGA u have, u might experience shutting down ur PC when wife turn off receiver So turn that function off.


OK m8, I know that I need to do all those things before running Audyssey and I done most of it. I read almost all tutorials "here and there" but things r not that nice like tutorials said. I set sub knob potentiometer somewhere at 1/4-1/2 of scale and mostly I get -12 / -10 dB for sub channel. But OK its not big problem. I set it up manually later from -12 closer to 0.
Next; before running Audyssey I setup speakers all to small, crossover freq. at 80 for all speakers sometimes front at 60. After finishing Audyssey I get front speakers to "large" or "full range" (I think its full range, cant remember, sry) and I get crossover at 40.
And what I can do, except manually set up those things back to small and crossover at 80.
And pls do not tell me: "rerun Audyssey again". My wife will get nerves breakdown coz of those crazy sounds during calibration


Go to input setup/Assing/input assign/ ... just erase O1 or O2 from "Digi"
But I think its better to use optical cable for audio.

Regards, and sry for bad English ...

EDIT: Why my name is red ? ban ? eheh

Ziiky -

If your sub trim level is still at -12db after running AUTO SETUP, then yes, you're going to have to rerun AUTO SETUP again (it's not something you can just manually reduce to 0 until AFTER you run AUTO SETUP). You need to either reduce your sub gain/volume knob further or move the sub away from the wall so as to reduce the bass amplified effect. Also don't set your speakers or crossovers to ANYTHING before running AUTO SETUP as those changes have no effect. Change all speakers to SMALL and raise crossovers to "minumum" of 80hz AFTER running AUTO SETUP again. These changes will not impact the Audyssey setup process at all.

after i read this i remembered my sub being -12, so i pulled it a little more off the wall and turned it down and re ran the auto setup...now its at -4

Just ordered a 1610 from 6ave. Should be here by the weekend!

To go with it, I ordered the Jamo S413 5.1 set. Not the greatest speakers in the world, but they should definitely give an improvement from what I have and for $200 they were hard to beat. At the very least, they'll give me a starting point for future upgrades.

Thanks to everyone on here for posting. I'm sure I'll be posting if I have any questions.

i dont have great speakers either, but they sound fantastic with this receiver....i have sony ssf-7000 with the sony 5000 center and bic h100 sub....ask around this forum about the sony speakers hahahaha, much hate

Didn't work. Guess I'll have to hook it up directly to my tv or learn to live with it, heh.

So the best thing to do is to turn the gain down on the subwoofer until Audyssey reaches an actual setting (not -12), then change the gain to your liking afterwards?

I had my sub down to 1/4 strength and it finally gave a reading of -7.5, but the bass is puny!

It could be that you're just used to overly bassy sound. Remember that Audyssey is an attempt to get the sound where it "should" be. Feel free to adjust the levels after running setup, but I'd give it a couple days to get used to the lower bass levels.

Correct. Then if you want stronger bass, adjust the SW channel level using the remote to raise it higher than -7.5 rather than making any further adjustments of the sub gain knob itself.
Although what are you listening to that you feel has "puny bass?" If music, that's understandable and if you're using the Dyn EQ Reference Level Offset set to -10 for TV viewing, then you'll need to return it to 0 for music and movie viewing.

JD am I correct that for music he should be using Audyssey Flat?

And another thought...make sure that you're setting up the microphone correctly (on a stand, away from any reflective surfaces, in a bubble surrounding the primary seating position). It's possibly that the microphone was in a spot that amplified bass frequencies and this led Audyssey to reduce the level of bass.

That's more of a personal preference, although how the Audyssey measurements were taken could be key.

Oland -
Did you take all 6 positions and were they all taken within a 2' radius of the 1st (primary) position. What channel levels did the Denon set your speakers to after AUTO SETUP? It's not unusual to place the sub at 1/4 (or 10 o'clock) in order to get it off of -12 so as spi said, your issue might just be that you like more base then reference.

This setup is used almost exclusively for movies. I'm definitely a bass-head, so I'm sure that my preference for more bass has something to do with this. I just want to make sure that all of my other speakers are producing the best sound possible.

All six positions were within the 2' of primary. After running AUTO-SETUP my channels were set to:

FL: -5.5
C : -3.5
FR: -4.5
SR: -4.5
SL: -7.5
Sub: -12.0

This is with the sub gain at 12 o'clock.

I then run all speakers at small, and the crossovers at 60hz front, 80hz center, and 80hz surround with the LFE crossover at 80hz.

Your speaker settings are fine, although thought you said you reran AUTO SETUP with the sub gain at 1/4 (10 o'clock) which resulted in the sub trim at -7.5? Also, the LPF for LFE should be raised to 120 rather than 80.

I did a quick test to see where I needed to put the gain knob on my sub to get a reading below -12.0, but I didn't save the settings.

Ah .... so save the data this time and you should be good to go. Then just use the remote to raise the SW up to say 0db where it will be more to your liking.

Yeah, I just did a single position in order to save time checking out how low I had to turn the sub down (ballpark) and didn't save figuring I would do the full 6-position later.


So you suggest that if I want more bass, to turn up the gain on the 590 and not use the gain knob on the sub? (The two basically do the same thing, correct?)


Ahhh...didn't see your ninja edit

Hi again !

First, thnx for all help. Today I rerun Audyssey again. I decrease SW volume knob at, let say 9-10 o`clock and I get SW channel at -4.5.
Now ch. levels r:
FL: -8.5
C : -6.0
FR: -8.0
SR: -5.0
SL: -4.0
Sub: -4.5
Audyssey put my fronts and center to large, surround to small.
Crossover freq. hmmmmm here I need lill help.
In Autosetup/parameter check/crossover freq. check I get this info:
Front: full Band
Center: full Band
Surround: 40
S.Back: None
And under manual setup/speaker setup/crossover freq:
Front: 40
Center: 40
Surround: 40

Why I dont have same references under Audyssey info and manual setup for crossover?

Not too worry .. your readings are just fine.

Go into the manual setup and change the Front and Center to SMALL. Then change all speaker crossovers to 80hz.

Setting your speakers to SMALL let's the sub do the work it was designed to do ... which in this case will be playing all low level frequencies sent to the speakers below 80hz.

Yea I did that !

1 more question
Should I correct distance for SW witch is not correct? Audyssey miss distance for 2 meters.

No. The "distance" for the sub is actually a value that measures the audio delay to the mic rather than the actual distance.

Alright...new settings are as follows:

FL: -5.5
C : -3.0
FR: -3.5
SR: -3.5
SL: -7.0
Sub: -11.5 (gain on sub at 9-10 o'clock)


Bass was much weaker than I prefer, so I adjusted that to -4.0


I guess at this point I'm more curious about the "filters" or other technology that Audyssey uses. By lowering the subwoofer level, did this affect the dynamics of the other speakers? Or did things probably stay the same except this time the setup was able to level off the subwoofer to "reference"? I assume reference is 0, I usually listen around -15 to -20 dB.

@oland

What I learned here and from guides is that u need to get ur sub around +-3.
Run only 1. calibration few times till u dont reach that value by decreasing SW volume knob. When u get it then run all 6 measurements. I think that wrong SW setup mess up all Audyssey`s setups.
Just look db`s for freq. under Audyssey`s menu before and after u set up ur SW under -+3dB. It will be all different values.


What we get with that setting?

Oland -

As long as the sub isn't on -12 then you're good to go.

Ziiky -

The LFE signal can range up to 120hz, so if you set the LFE at 120 you allow the full signal to pass through to the sub.

Thanks JD, appreciate the help.


I was reading through the Audyssey sticky and I think I understand things now. I didn't realize that by using the gain on the subwoofer, you were changing the level without Audyssey "knowing" about it, and not being able to correct other settings for you. But by increasing the bass through the receiver, you get the same result as using the knob but Audyssey can accurately adjust it's filters/curves/whathaveyou


Am I on the right track here?