*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 104

Hey everyone, I've already decided to get the 1610 next fall when I get an apartment but I was considering getting one for the HT at my house for the few months out of the year I'm not in college.

Right now, unfortunately, we have a Yamaha HTR-6230 and it was adequate with the Paradigm Atom V.1's that were connected to it, until one of the woofers blew. But thats what I get for buying used speakers. The only other speakers we had were a pair of B&W DM610i's that are connected to a HK 3480. They really didn't get used so I hooked them up to the Yamaha and they sound OK at best. The 610's are 4 ohm speakers and, besides being underpowered, I don't think the entry level Yamaha was built to handle 4 ohm speakers very well. Here's a link to the 610's specs: http://www.htguide.com/forum/attachm...achmentid=4646

Would the 1610 be a good choice? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. My only specification is that I want HDMI audio/video passthrough for my HD tivo and PS3. It'll be used mostly for TV/Movies but occasionally some music, probably 90/10. Thanks.

The 1610 should meet your needs with the limitation that you'll need to keep the volume at average levels only (ie. no raising the roof) with those 4 ohm speakers, as the AVR is designed for 6+ ohm speakers.

For reference, what would be considered an "average" db level. I'm a teenager and college student and will, time to time, listen at higher volumes. I know this is more based on personal opinion and everyone will have a different answer, but do you think it would be better to just buy a new pair of Atoms? It would cost the same or less as buying a new receiver. I know they're smaller but they're 8ohms and pretty efficient little speakers.

Sorry this isn't in the speaker forum but it pertains to my previous post and I don't want to have to explain all over again. Thanks.

for me, after running audyssey, mind you i have 8 ohm speakers, my AVERAGE volume level for direct tv is is aound -10db, for my ps3, which is way louder at that same level for some unknown reason to me, is around -25db...if i wanna crank it up real loud, my direct tv hits that around 0db, and my playstation around -12....mind you some different people have different opinions on what "loud" is

Do you think any of those volumes would put a 1610 driving 4ohm speakers into protection mode?

Are you friggin deaf? That is the only reason I can see to have the volume at that level. Just watching TV my 789 is -35dB and that is during the daytime. Granted the 789 has more power than the 1610 but not to the extent of 25dB difference! Even 10dB difference is ALOT more. In my opinion, either you seriously need to see a hearing specialist or you have some super inefficient speakers.

maybe i just like to watch tv at loud volumes, you ever think of that? maybe you shouldn't worry so much about how loud i watch my television, everyone likes different volumes

mikeyraw don't worry, I kind of deaf too as I listen at -15 to -10 when watch tv .

mikeyraw, please don't think I am bitching at you or trying to tell you that you don't realize what you like. I'm not. And you can believe I don't "worry" about how loud you listen to the television. But you might do well to heed my advice brother; be careful of your hearing. Once it's gone, that's it, you aren't getting it back. I like loud volumes too...at times. But there are definately some things that shouldn't be listened to loudly. Television is one of them. The sound quality just doesn't justify the risk. Quality movies, properly recorded music however can be listened to at higher levels.

Do as you wish, but coming from an audiophile, I want to make sure my hearing lasts me a lifetime if possible so I can enjoy things like television, movies, music and video games. Sorry, but I did not intend to offend you.

i am not offended, and i did not mean to come off as offended...no problem at all

Prior posters with 4 ohm speakers have indicated no issue at "average" volume levels which would most likely be no higher than -30 to -20. There is a 'max volume limit' setting you can set to ensure the volume is never raised above -20 as a safety measure. Although the 1610 would shut down in Protection Mode before any harm is done when driving the speakers too hard, you would certainly be able to "crank the volume" higher with 8 ohm speakers.

It is always a little tricky doing these "what level do you listen at" comparisons. AFAIK the efficiency of the speakers is actually not relevent if we are all talking about 09 and newer Denon AVR's with Audyssey MultEQ, as autosetup establishes "0" on the Vol dial as 75dB at the MLP for the internal testtones.

What would chage the SPL (and hence perceived loudness) for a given setting on the Vol knob is where you are seated (closer or further from the speakers in regards to MLP) and the level of your source. Also, if you have changed the channel trims or changed the source level in INPUT SETUP part of the menu that would also matter. I am unclear if reference level offset matters in this regard.

We have had this discussion about 4 Ohm speakers on several of the Denon threads. This is a matter where the efficiency of the speakers does come into play. The distance of the listener from the speakers is also crucial, as is the size of the room. Also, a powered sub takes a huge load off the AVR so is highly recommended. So if twin2 is going to use a 1610, which is not designed for a 4 Ohm load, he should take all those factors into account before purchasing. The automatic protection circuit will kick in to prevent amp damage but would also interupt one's listening pleasure.

Twin2's speakers' 89 dB sensitivity is about average. So, assuming an average size living room, a powered sub, and speakers set up reasonably close (<12'), then reasonably loud levels should be safely sustainable, as jd has indicated. IMO "reasonable" does not mean blasting nightclub levels, but rather similar to what you would enjoy in a movie theater. One more point is that SPL is objective, but loudness is subjective. Many people like to "turn it up" because that's when the music "comes alive" on many older systems. Because of the "equal loudness curves" the lower bass and higher treble sound weak at lower volumes. This is what makes DynEQ so valuable, is that it tweaks the EQ perfectly. I can truly enjoy wonderfully EQ'd, balanced, great SQ at a good 15 to 20dB below where I used to, for 95% of my listening. And as Splicer mentioned, 10dB higher is a significant difference, as it doubles perceived volume and uses about 10X the amp power (watts) output. See here

Splicer, your comments about keeping to "reasonable" listening levels to prevent hi freq hearing loss are also quite apropo. Folks should be aware that although the brain accomodates to loud sounds (so after awhile it doesn't seem so loud, until you turn it off and someone tries to talk to you), the middle ear's ability to dampen loud sounds is limited and cochlear damage will occur based on level and length of exposure.

I just setup my 1610 last night and TV watching was around -15dB after calibration. Listening to the FM tuner, it was about -35dB. These weren't quiet, but they definitely weren't loud. I'm sitting about 10-12 feet from some smaller bookshelves (Jamo S413).

Sorry jd, I forgot to check the firmware version. I'll get that to you tonight.

Thanks batpig, thats some good information and option. Most likey go with the PC solution as its always on.

Something is up with my Denon 1610. When I turn it on or change the mode or role the volume the display just wigs out! It shows a bunch of weird characters (see pic) for a second or so and goes away. Just started today for no reason. I tried powering it down with the power button and not the standby and no difference. Anyone seen this before?

Perhaps you got the new Klingon model!

Seriously though .. reset the microprocessor (p.57).

Bummer... Better write down all my settings first. Run audyssey again yada yada yada...

Somehow I screwed up my speaker setup and I can't figure out how to get it back. Basically, my dolby digital setting was great because the dialogue was coming out of the center channel, my fronts were running the bass since I don't have a sub, and my rears really did a nice job filling out the sound.

Now, it says dolby digital but the dialogue is coming out of the two fronts and the rears are hardly driving anything. Any thoughts as I have pushed what I think is every combination of buttons. Thanks!!

i dont know about your particular situation, but if you press the cinema button on your remote, then press STD button on your remote until you see dolby PLII cinema, which will turn into PLII C on your display, you will get your audio through the center

Well, pressing Cinema does nothing, STD brings me back to dolby digital but dialogue still coming out of the fronts and nothing out of the center. And itdoes not turn to PLII C, it remained on Dolby D.

Could this just be the feed from the channel? I seem to recall a lit square on the disply when I got full sound and that doesn't come back regardless of channel but again, maybe I am making that up.

I downloaded the batpig commands to my harmony. What is the best way to toggle through my listening options for TV?

so pressing cinema does nothing at all, it doesn't give you any options?

Twin2: You should be ok running the 4 Ohm speakers even at loud volume (close to 0db master volume).
As for the different master volume levels discussed here (someone runs at -10 and others at -25, -30), that depends on the material played.
Try this at home with two different movies (ex. Terminator salvation vs U-571) and you see there is a difference.
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Hi guys !!! This is my first post on AVS Forum.

I have recently purchased Denon AVR 1610 and Profx 5.1 Fusion speakers. Its a decent combo. Also got a Panasonic Plasma Model:P42X10D.

Earlier I had a Cosmic Lab concert Amplifier (RMS Power : 50 watts per channel).

Could the Cosmic amp with addl. speakers be used with the AVR 1610 to attach surround back speakers (as the AVR manual says that a power amplifier has to be used to attach surround back speakers) to give a 7.1 ch effect ???

If the display reads Dolby Digital, then PLII - C or pressing Cinema won't have any effect as that is a simulation mode for 2 channel stereo. It's likely the channel you were watching only broadcasting a 2.0 signal over a DD 5.1 audio track which some channels are known to do. If you change channels to other DD 5.1 channels you will likely get the full 5.1 audio track.

As long as the Cosmic amp has 2-CH RCA inputs, then you should be able to use it to expand your setup to either 7.1 or Front height.

This is my first post in avsforum, so hi everybody.

Just bought a 1610 yesterday and today i've noticed that the display always has six lighted red lines across it, they never go off even if the dimmer is set to off, is that normal, they are not to bright, but still ...

Sure doesn't sound normal as you describe them. And especially if Dimmer is set to OFF and you still see them. Reset the microprocessor (p. 57) and see if they go away. If not, and they don't bother you, I wouldn't worry about it, otherwise, if you can easily exchange it, you might consider that.

Mine has no red lines. With dimmer off my screen is completely off.