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post #3121 of 5128
4/1/10 at 5:41am
Just done the reset and it improved a bit, now it doesn't stay lighted in stand by mode, but when on it's still there even with dimmer»off.
I've tried to take pictures but at the moment i only have a cell phone camera, it as pretty nice quality ( nokia n82) but still not enough to capture it.
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post #3122 of 5128
4/1/10 at 7:39am
I got a new 1610 and am having some problems. When I run the audyssey auto setup it makes a chirp out of the front left speaker but no matter what I do it errors out and says Microphone None or Speaker: None. I have hooked up the microphone to my computer and it works fine, and I have tried the microphone from my Sony receiver and I get the same error. When the microphone is hooked up to the receiver if I tap it a faint sound comes out of the subwoofer so I know it is hearing sound from it.

I've also tried hooking up the front left channel to all 4 of my speakers and that didn't result in it being detected either.
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post #3123 of 5128
4/1/10 at 7:45am
Are you sure the microphone is plugged in all the way? Mine required some force to get it to click in there.

Since the microphone appears to be working fine, I'd say it's a problem with the receiver. Try resetting it and see if it helps.
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post #3124 of 5128
4/1/10 at 8:02am
xoltri -

It's either a bad mic or a bad unit. If you bought it locally, then return the whole unit to them for an exchange. If on line, and you've got a Best Buy near you, take the mic to them to test and see if it's bad. If it is, they'll generally swap it out for you (regardless of whether you bought it there). If it works, then you know you'll need to return the AVR to the vendor. At the very least reset the microprocessor (p. 57) before returning to see if that resolves the issue.
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post #3125 of 5128
4/1/10 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by imak View Post

Just done the reset and it improved a bit, now it doesn't stay lighted in stand by mode, but when on it's still there even with dimmer»off.
I've tried to take pictures but at the moment i only have a cell phone camera, it as pretty nice quality ( nokia n82) but still not enough to capture it.

other people have noticed this, I can see it too on my AVR 2310 in the dark. It's basically (as best we can figure) some light leakage through the membrane of the LCD display, which has a red backing. I wouldn't worry about it...
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post #3126 of 5128
4/1/10 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If the display reads Dolby Digital, then PLII - C or pressing Cinema won't have any effect as that is a simulation mode for 2 channel stereo. It's likely the channel you were watching only broadcasting a 2.0 signal over a DD 5.1 audio track which some channels are known to do. If you change channels to other DD 5.1 channels you will likely get the full 5.1 audio track.

That is what I thought but I am currently watching the NIT Final on ESPN and it still only says Dolby Digital. I am fairly confident that ESPN will broadcast in 5.1. Somehow I think I pressed a button that I have not been able to replicate at this point.

Any other ideas? How do I get my rear speakers contributing again? Is there a reset I can do or something? The sound was great before I started tinkering (of course).
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post #3127 of 5128
4/1/10 at 7:51pm
Well, I finally bit the bullet and bought a 590 tonight Have it all hooked up ( 3.0 config for now, waiting for my sub to arrive ) So far so good. I'm watching 2012, and the display is reading DTS-HD MA. Just have Jamo C401 bookshelf speakers, and a C400 center. I think once I get my sub, a BIC F12, it should sound pretty good. It already sounds worlds better than the crappy TV speakers.
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post #3128 of 5128
4/1/10 at 7:57pm
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Any other ideas? How do I get my rear speakers contributing again? Is there a reset I can do or something? The sound was great before I started tinkering (of course).

You can reset the AVR to mfr defaults (as well as wiping out the Audyssey settings requiring you to run AUTO SETUP again) by doing the procedure in the Owner's manual (p. 57).
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post #3129 of 5128
4/1/10 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Perhaps you got the new Klingon model!

Seriously though .. reset the microprocessor (p.57).

Well I reset it and when it booted up it loaded a bunch more odd characters (see pic) to the screen HOWEVER it seems to be back to normal. I did call Denon about it and they said they had not seen that before and told me to reset the microprocessor also.
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post #3130 of 5128
4/1/10 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by StevePMo View Post

Well, I finally bit the bullet and bought a 590 tonight Have it all hooked up ( 3.0 config for now, waiting for my sub to arrive ) So far so good. I'm watching 2012, and the display is reading DTS-HD MA. Just have Jamo C401 bookshelf speakers, and a C400 center. I think once I get my sub, a BIC F12, it should sound pretty good. It already sounds worlds better than the crappy TV speakers.

i have a bic H100, pretty much the same sub, and i love it, for the price, it is great
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post #3131 of 5128
4/1/10 at 8:32pm
The sub shipped out of California yesterday, and I'm in Missouri, so I would imagine it'll be here mid to late next week. I am ready !!! now to find some cheap but steady speaker stands. Maybe I'll order the Sanus ones from Vanns....

Ok, now I have a question for the Denon gurus. My cable box is component only, no HDMI. I bought a coax cable for audio. But I think it is only using the two RCA audio cables from the component cables. Am I going to have to buy an optical cable to get 5.1 with my cable box? Or should I try using the other component in connectors?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it in the menu!! All is well now
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post #3132 of 5128
4/2/10 at 2:36am
Thanks jdsmoothie .... shall try out the same ths evening !!!
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post #3133 of 5128
4/2/10 at 2:59am
Found this googlestored pdf:
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...2520030810.pdf
Seems like the 1611 and 1911 are updated versions of the 1610 and 1910 with hdmi 1.4 support. WIth the addition that 1611 seems to be 7.1 and 1911 has a usb port.
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post #3134 of 5128
4/2/10 at 5:24am
Thanks for that link ... looks like Denon is also adding an HD Tuner to the 1911 as well, which means it will also be available on the 2311 too.
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post #3135 of 5128
4/2/10 at 9:57am
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if that is true, looks like the 1611 and 1911 with both be 7.1 units with 4 HDMI inputs. The 1611 also adds Zone 2 (although strangely the sheet claims no Zone 2 pre-outs, meaning you must run 5.1 if you want to use Zone 2). Very nice that the $399 entry-level model will be so fully featured, with 7.1ch, 4 HDMI inputs, analog-digital conversion of video, and Zone 2.

Note that the cheapening of legacy connections continue! The spec sheets claim only 1 component video input (!!) and ZERO outputs, so think of it as the "dedicated Wii port" I guess The progression towards all-HDMI and the single-HDMI-cable-to-TV setup marches on. Bad news for anyone who has HDMI handshake problems with their cable box and wants to switch to component video, but also has a Wii!

The big differentiators on the 1911 look to be the ABT video scaling and the USB port (plus a few minor things I'm sure, like PURE DIRECT mode, probably still the STEREO 2CH menu, etc). Notice also that the USB port claims to support ipod/iphone direct-connect with on-screen control interface, looks like Denon was feeling the heat from Pioneer. Frankly, this SHOULD be a basic feature with the popularity of ipods/iphones and other portable USB MP3 players. It was a little ridiculous to restrict that to the $2000msrp 4310CI model...
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post #3136 of 5128
4/2/10 at 10:37am
Tried out a blu-ray from my HTPC last night for the first time. I'm pretty sure I had PowerDVD setup to output LPCM but the 1610 only picked up 2 channel PCM. Is this the infamous PS3 problem in another form? It's not a huge deal since my speakers aren't good enough for me to hear the difference between lossless and 640kbps DD, but I still feel like I'm missing a feature.

Is the only solution to this sending the unit away for a firmware update?

edit: I checked my firmware and it's 89.24. Serial# 9123321295.
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post #3137 of 5128
4/2/10 at 10:41am
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the 1610 only picked up 2 channel PCM.

if it reports 2-ch PCM input then that is what it is getting. you need to configure your SOURCE properly.

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Is this the infamous PS3 problem in another form?

if you are talking about "blank channels" then, no. That would manifest with the receiver reporting MULTI CH IN (multich PCM input) but sound only out of FR/FL (e.g. the other channels are "blank"). If your receiver is reporting a 2-ch input, again, that is what it is getting.

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Is the only solution to this sending the unit away for a firmware update?

nothing is wrong with your receiver, it cannot control the input signal. Again, you need to configure the SOURCE properly!
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post #3138 of 5128
4/2/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Tried out a blu-ray from my HTPC last night for the first time. I'm pretty sure I had PowerDVD setup to output LPCM but the 1610 only picked up 2 channel PCM. Is this the infamous PS3 problem in another form? It's not a huge deal since my speakers aren't good enough for me to hear the difference between lossless and 640kbps DD, but I still feel like I'm missing a feature.

Is the only solution to this sending the unit away for a firmware update?

PowerDVD > audio > speakers > use SPDIF
You may needa sound card that outputs DD
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post #3139 of 5128
4/2/10 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Is the only solution to this sending the unit away for a firmware update?

edit: I checked my firmware and it's 89.24. Serial# 9123321295.

Your unit has the 1st firmware update installed and if you're using an HDMI-DVI cable/adapter then it's possible it is causing your audio issues and then yes, the 2nd update might resolve the issue.
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post #3140 of 5128
4/2/10 at 11:49am
D'oh! I still had Windows set for stereo over HDMI since I was using optical before. Changed it to 5.1 and everything works great. "Multi-In" on the Denon.
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4/2/10 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by matbl View Post

Found this googlestored pdf:
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...2520030810.pdf
Seems like the 1611 and 1911 are updated versions of the 1610 and 1910 with hdmi 1.4 support. WIth the addition that 1611 seems to be 7.1 and 1911 has a usb port.

The link is no good.
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post #3142 of 5128
4/2/10 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by haas75 View Post

Well I reset it and when it booted up it loaded a bunch more odd characters (see pic) to the screen HOWEVER it seems to be back to normal. I did call Denon about it and they said they had not seen that before and told me to reset the microprocessor also.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...2&d=1270177288

That unit looks brand new A stock, not refurbished. Were did you buy it?
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post #3143 of 5128
4/2/10 at 6:43pm
Anybody know how to get the pretty Blue HD light on with the Denon 1610 and a new Sony BDP-S470 bluray player. Right now the DVD player is doing all of the work.

Thanks,
Haas
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post #3144 of 5128
4/2/10 at 6:59pm
haas75 -

Set the BDP to "bitstream" with Secondary Audio set to OFF as well as making sure you have the HD audio selected on the disc.
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post #3145 of 5128
4/2/10 at 7:03pm
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The link is no good.

Apparently CDT marketing opted to pull it off the internet.
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post #3146 of 5128
4/2/10 at 9:54pm
The 1610 produces 75wpc but with all channels driven how much does it actually produce per channel? I know nobody really knows the answer but does anyone have an estimate? Thanks
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4/2/10 at 10:18pm
Denon DHT-590BA (avr590 paired with Boston Acoustics MCS 90 speakers for those who don't know) owner here.

I have a question regarding the results you get from running Audissey in this set.

According to the Boston Acoustics manual for the speakers, the frequency response for the satellites as well as the center channel is 120Hz-20kHz, the subwoofer frequency response is 40-180Hz.

Doesn't this mean that any imput signal at a frequency below 120Hz won't be outputted properly by the speakers because they can't handle it? How come running Audissey throws figures like 90 and 80 Hz as a recommended value?

If what I wrote above is true, shouldn't a 120Hz crossover frequency for satellites and a 120Hz for LPF for LFE (highest frequency output by the subwoofer) be optimal? This way all frequencies should be properly reproduced by the speakers right?
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post #3148 of 5128
4/2/10 at 10:43pm
Hey guys, I am looking for a refurbished Denon 1610 for around $200. eCOST had them for $208, but now they seem to be out of stock. Any other place I can find it for around $200 used/new? Thanks!
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post #3149 of 5128
4/3/10 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

other people have noticed this, I can see it too on my AVR 2310 in the dark. It's basically (as best we can figure) some light leakage through the membrane of the LCD display, which has a red backing. I wouldn't worry about it...

I've went to a dealer near me and they had a 1910 and a 1610, both had the same lights, so i won't be bothered by this.

Thank you.
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post #3150 of 5128
4/3/10 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by twin2 View Post

The 1610 produces 75wpc but with all channels driven how much does it actually produce per channel? I know nobody really knows the answer but does anyone have an estimate? Thanks

A better estimate is probably closer to 65W, however, at average volume you're only using about 5W so there's plenty of power most likely drive whatever you've got connected.
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