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post #3391 of 5119
4/25/10 at 2:30pm
Correct. Both settings are changed using the OSD menu.
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post #3392 of 5119
4/25/10 at 2:37pm
Sorry to thread hijack but does anyone know if there is a *Official* Denon AVR-689 thread???

I did a search but couldn't find anything!



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post #3393 of 5119
4/25/10 at 2:46pm
Apparently not as the few 689 posts have all been made in their own threads.
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post #3394 of 5119
4/25/10 at 3:54pm
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OK I looked at page 42 and it did nothing but confuse me. It shows there being options for dynamic volume "midnight" etc. When I hit dynamic volume it is either on or off no other options.
I also dont see where you can change the values of the offset not that I would. Is this all in the menu somewhere and set there perhaps?

Good thing you have the "premium level" tech support here.
It will get easier as you become familiar with the concepts contained in modern AVR's and with Denon's idiosycricities. Become familiar with the Menu tree on p 17 OM, which shows you how to access info and change settings. Go to Parameter->Audyssey Settings, which is where the settings described on p 42are accessed.
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post #3395 of 5119
4/25/10 at 4:28pm
Yes you guys are amazing =)
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post #3396 of 5119
4/26/10 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

musicrazy -

Correct. The 1610/590 does not have an ABT video chip that upscales to 1080p like all the models above it do. An "HD Ready" TV can only upscale to 720p so at the very least the TV itself must upscale everything to that resolution in order to display it. If you upscale DVD content to 1080p with the DVD player, then it would be downscaled by the TV back to 720p in order to display properly on the Panny.

Ok, understood. Kindly clarify one thing. I played a Sony demo DVD on the Philips player and it showed on TV display : 1080p input ; whereas while playing other DVDs it doesnt display such, it shows nothing more than 720p input.

Secondly this DVD player (DVR 3368) doesnt output DTS. However while playing a particular DVD, AVR 1610 displays DTS on the screen. How is this possible?

Thanks...
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post #3397 of 5119
4/26/10 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Just upscale to 720p and eliminate that extra process of down scaling. That is the correct way to do it. You'll never notice any difference.

How do i do this?
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post #3398 of 5119
4/26/10 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by musicrazy View Post

Ok, understood. Kindly clarify one thing. I played a Sony demo DVD on the Philips player and it showed on TV display : 1080p input ; whereas while playing other DVDs it doesnt display such, it shows nothing more than 720p input.

Secondly this DVD player (DVR 3368) doesnt output DTS. However while playing a particular DVD, AVR 1610 displays DTS on the screen. How is this possible?

Thanks...

Your best bet is to spend some time reading the DVP 3368 Owner's manual so you can better understand how it operates and it's capabilities and settings. It's likely the DVP allows you to output at whatever resolution you want up to 1080p. As your TV is only 720p, you should set the DVP to only output 720p.

Also, if the AVR is displaying DTS, then that is the audio track it is receiving, so apparently your DVP can indeed output DTS.
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post #3399 of 5119
4/26/10 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by SavageGenius View Post

Looks like most people use this for resolution/video problems.

Also, looks like that is a source-side resolution? I don't see much commenting on using it to fool the receiver into thinking it is connected to an HDMI source.

It's all pretty frustrating becuse the receiver is taking a component source and outputting it fine through the HDMI-DVI cable.

It might be worth a shot for $60 vs $1000 TV.....but then I was semi-planning for a TV, just not this soon.

New TV (Mitsubishi 65" DLP) with HDMI and the 590 is running like a dream....

Glad I stuck with it.
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post #3400 of 5119
4/27/10 at 12:40pm
FYI, I ordered a 1610 from Electronics Expo (from their website) on 4/20 and received it today, and the serial number begins with 003.

I hope this means it has FW 00.26 as I have a fat PS3 and would like to have Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume work with LPCM. Once I get it set up, I'll check the FW version and report back.
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post #3401 of 5119
4/27/10 at 2:03pm
New one out. Got some nice upgrades.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5302.asp

120 watts per channel x 5 channels (6 ohms, 1 kHz, .7% THD)
Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIz decoding
DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, DTS ES 6.1 Discrete, DTS ES 6.1 Matrix, DTS Neo:6 decoding
HDMI 1.4a includes 3D pass-through compatibility and Audio Return Channel
Analog video to HDMI upconversion, with 1080p 24Hz/60Hz HDMI pass-through
Audyssey MultEQ automatic room acoustic measuring and correction system
Audyssey Dynamic Volume, Audyssey Dynamic EQ
4 HDMI inputs, 1 component video input
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post #3402 of 5119
4/27/10 at 2:16pm
Thread Starter 
actually, other than the 4th HDMI input and the upgrade to HDMI 1.4, pretty much all of those things you list are available on the 590/1610 model. The 120W/ch spec is a total garbage stat where they played with the number by quoting 6ohms spec at 0.7% THD. The amp section is almost certainly the same, they just gamed the numbers (a la Yamaha with their entry level models).

Denon looks to be restructuring the bottom end, introducing a super-low-end AVR 391 for those who don't need HDMI audio / conversion, and the 591/1611 replacing the 590/1610 with HDMI 1.4 and a 4th HDMI input. Also interesting is that they went back to the old scheme (a la 589/1609) where the 59x model is 5.1 and the 16xx model is 7.1. As if they needed to confuse people further

It's also interesting that they addressed the issue with decreased power consumption in STANDBY mode, for those of you using the pass-through feature.

We should wait and see the final specs before passing judgment, there will certainly be an error or three in there.
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post #3403 of 5119
4/27/10 at 5:53pm
IF the listed specs are true, I'm a little miffed, haha, I JUST bought the 590 for the same price about a month ago...

Actually, I don't see myself needing a 4th HDMI input in the near, or distant future, and 75 watts is plenty of power for my modest setup. As it is, I'm only using 1 HDMI input now...
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post #3404 of 5119
4/27/10 at 6:45pm
Yes. A 0.7% THD is much worse than 0.08% THD. I hardly would call that an "upgrade".
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post #3405 of 5119
4/27/10 at 6:51pm
Man, these things are going downhill instead of being actual upgrades if you ask me. Look at the back panel. There is just nothing there! Options are virtually nill.

http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-591_Lit423.pdf

Power consumption (total) limited to 360 watts!? How can that be when each channel is 120 watts x 5 = 600 watts?
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post #3406 of 5119
4/27/10 at 7:34pm
I am sooo happy I bought two 590's at the warehouse sale a couple weeks back
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post #3407 of 5119
4/27/10 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Man, these things are going downhill instead of being actual upgrades if you ask me. Look at the back panel. There is just nothing there! Options are virtually nill.

http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-591_Lit423.pdf

Power consumption (total) limited to 360 watts!? How can that be when each channel is 120 watts x 5 = 600 watts?

Man that looks naked.
- one less Component Video In
- No Component Video Out
- one less Optical Audio In
- one less Video In
- one less Video Out
- one less RCA Audio In
- No RCA Audio Out

So the trade off is one extra HDMI In and 1.4
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post #3408 of 5119
4/27/10 at 10:31pm
Hey guys, i just got the denon avr 590. This thread has too many posts for me to go through and find what i'm looking for. So here are my questions.

I have my ps3 hooked up via hdmi through the reciever and then going out to the tv.
Question: By going through the reciever, do I lose any video quality?

I just found out today, I can only get DTSMA and DDTRUEHD via hdmi. I did not know this. *smack * Anyway.
Question: My OSD on the reciever doesnt say DTSMA or DDTRUEHD while my ps3 OSD on the tv does. Why doesnt the reciever say the decoding it's using? While playing my xbox360 however, the OSD on the reciever says Dolby Digital. Like I was expecting. So what's up with the ps3?

I can tell the sublte differences from regular DD/DTS to HD sound. Plus, when i switch between the two, i can see a change from kps to mbs. What does this mean exactly?

Thanks!
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post #3409 of 5119
4/27/10 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

Hey guys, i just got the denon avr 590. This thread has too many posts for me to go through and find what i'm looking for. So here are my questions.

I have my ps3 hooked up via hdmi through the reciever and then going out to the tv.
Question: By going through the reciever, do I lose any video quality?

I just found out today, I can only get DTSMA and DDTRUEHD via hdmi. I did not know this. *smack * Anyway.
Question: My OSD on the reciever doesnt say DTSMA or DDTRUEHD while my ps3 OSD on the tv does. Why doesnt the reciever say the decoding it's using? While playing my xbox360 however, the OSD on the reciever says Dolby Digital. Like I was expecting. So what's up with the ps3?

I can tell the sublte differences from regular DD/DTS to HD sound. Plus, when i switch between the two, i can see a change from kps to mbs. What does this mean exactly?

Thanks!

The 590 does no upscaling of video, what goes in comes out the same, so no video quality lost.

Which PS3 do you have, Phat or Slim?
Phat PS3 can not bitstream meaning the PS3 will do the decoding so no TrueHD/DTSMA will light up on the OSD.
Only PS3 Slim can bitstream meaning the 590 will do the decoding and TrueHD/DTSMA will light up on the OSD.
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post #3410 of 5119
4/27/10 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

The 590 does no upscaling of video, what goes in comes out the same, so no video quality lost.

Which PS3 do you have, Phat or Slim?
Phat PS3 can not bitstream meaning the PS3 will do the decoding so no TrueHD/DTSMA will light up on the OSD.
Only PS3 Slim can bitstream meaning the 590 will do the decoding and TrueHD/DTSMA will light up on the OSD.

Phat. So, if the ps3 is doing the decoding and it says im getting the HD sound on the PS3's OSD on the tv, does that mean I am? Or do i truely need the ps3 slim in order to get the "FULL" potential? I wanna know if im waisting my money on this reciever and just stick with my previous dts and dd onkyo sr304. I got this reciever wanting DTSMA and DDTRUEHD. I read somewhere about linear pcm and bitstream. I just wanna make sure i'm not waisting my money. I dont wanna have to buy a ps3 slim just cuz of this.
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post #3411 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

Phat. So, if the ps3 is doing the decoding and it says im getting the HD sound on the PS3's OSD on the tv, does that mean I am? Or do i truely need the ps3 slim in order to get the "FULL" potential? I wanna know if im waisting my money on this reciever and just stick with my previous dts and dd onkyo sr304. I got this reciever wanting DTSMA and DDTRUEHD. I read somewhere eabout linear pcm and bitstream. I just wanna make sure i'm not waisting my money. I dont wanna have to buy a ps3 slim just cuz of this.

I own a PS3 Slim and try both ways (LPCM and Bitstream) and IMO can't really tell a difference in sound between the two (others may disagree).
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post #3412 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

I own a PS3 Slim and try both ways (LPCM and Bitstream) and IMO can't really tell a difference in sound between the two (others may disagree).

So, you can tell a difference between standard and hd sound? This is my first HD reciever that uses dtshd and ddtrue hd. Im still trying to see wether i can tell a difference. I think i can. I think it sounds more crisp. I mean i notice the ps3's osd and it says its hd sound and the rate goes from Kbps to Mbps.

But my ultimate question still stands. Am I TRUELY getting dtsma and ddtruehd even thos is linear pcm?
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post #3413 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

So, you can tell a difference between standard and hd sound? This is my first HD reciever that uses dtshd and ddtrue hd. Im still trying to see wether i can tell a difference. I think i can. I think it sounds more crisp. I mean i notice the ps3's osd and it says its hd sound and the rate goes from Kbps to Mbps.

There is a different in sound between DD and TrueHD/DTSMA.

The above post I was talking about is playing TrueHD/DTSMA in LPCM (PS3 does the decode) and Bitstream (receiver does the decode).
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post #3414 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

There is a different in sound between DD and TrueHD/DTSMA.

The above post I was talking about is playing TrueHD/DTSMA in LPCM (PS3 does the decode) and Bitstream (receiver does the decode).

okay, so since the ps3 is doing the decoding, and not the reciever, i still am getting DTSMA/DDTRUEHD, right?
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post #3415 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

okay, so since the ps3 is doing the decoding, and not the reciever, i still am getting DTSMA/DDTRUEHD, right?

Yes
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post #3416 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Yes

Okay thanks. I just dont get the baller HD light and it telling me on the AVR that i am getting HD sound. Ohwell, as long as i'm getting the HD overall, i'll live. Maybe ill sell my ps3 phat and get a ps3 slim someday. *shrugs* Im suprised they hadnt come out with a codec/firmware that fixes this. I guess it's more hardware orientated then just an update can fix.

Also, the avr590 can do 7.1? Cuz i see speaker surround back...I mean i know it's a 5.1 reciever, but still..can I connect 2 more speakers if i wanted to? It will probably split the sound, but i'm just curious.
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post #3417 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

Okay thanks. I just dont get the baller HD light and it telling me on the AVR that i am getting HD sound. Ohwell, as long as i'm getting the HD overall, i'll live. Maybe ill sell my ps3 phat and get a ps3 slim someday. *shrugs* Im suprised they hadnt come out with a codec/firmware that fixes this. I guess it's more hardware orientated then just an update can fix.

Also, the avr590 can do 7.1? Cuz i see speaker surround back...I mean i know it's a 5.1 reciever, but still..can I connect 2 more speakers if i wanted to? It will probably split the sound, but i'm just curious.

The SURR BACK/FRONT HEIGHT RCA outs are to connect to an external amp for adding either surround back (7.1) or Front height speakers only.
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post #3418 of 5119
4/27/10 at 11:46pm
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The SURR BACK/FRONT HEIGHT RCA outs are to connect to an external amp for adding either surround back (7.1) or Front height speakers only.

Ah okay. Any idea if sony will update the firmware allowing bitstream decoding via hdmi? Maybe with the future 3D update? Sorry I dont mean to deviate from the thread topic.
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post #3419 of 5119
4/28/10 at 4:35am
AFAIK, the PS3 phat does not have the proper "hardware" to bitstream HD audio which is why the PS3 Slim was developed. So there is no firmware upgrade that will allow it to bitstream, although whether the PS3 decodes the audio to PCM or the 590 decodes it to PCM, you're still hearing the same decoded HD audio track through your surround speakers. Just make sure the HD audio track is selected each time you play a BD (as sometimes it's not) and you'll be good to go.
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post #3420 of 5119
4/28/10 at 5:16am
Im toying with the idea of buying a WD TV 1080p HD media player and a Seagate EDD and connect it to my Denon AVR 1610. My TV is Panasonic Plasma P42X10D (not full HD) and i have Profx 5.1 Fusion speakers.

Will all these have proper compatibility?

However before going ahead with the purchase i thought of getting the right advice at the forum.

Please suggest. Thanks
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